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MrNemo posted:Holy poo poo, how do China get away with basically abducting another country's citizens? The USA would lose its poo poo if this was south Korean citizens getting deported to Pyongyang. 60 years of consistent policy and pressure from Beijing.
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MrNemo posted:Holy poo poo, how do China get away with basically abducting another country's citizens? The USA would lose its poo poo if this was south Korean citizens getting deported to Pyongyang. you REALLY have to understand that to the PRC, Taiwan is NOT another country.
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Apr 14, 2016 16:06
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This took me a little by surprise, but Ten Years will be available to buy on Google Play today, April 15th. I knew the DVD was coming in August, didn't know a digital version was coming so soon. Now you can all buy the winner of best picture at the Hong Kong film awards, or as it was announced in China:
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Apr 14, 2016 18:20
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Christ this situation is hosed up. I wonder if China will pressure Google to remove Ten Years?
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Apr 14, 2016 19:56
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MrNemo posted:Holy poo poo, how do China get away with basically abducting another country's citizens? The USA would lose its poo poo if this was south Korean citizens getting deported to Pyongyang. One of these Taiwanese prisoners holds a US passport too. The US govt. response so far has been to decline a comment about the person due to privacy issues (they've not been named yet as far as I'm aware) but it will be interesting to see how that affects this case, either by escalating it or it being swept under the rug in the name of polity.. Clearly Beijing is planning a show trial and jail, they've been banging a drum about previous Taiwanese criminals costing Chinese people money and not being punished properly.
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Apr 14, 2016 20:49
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Parkingtigers posted:One of these Taiwanese prisoners holds a US passport too. The US govt. response so far has been to decline a comment about the person due to privacy issues (they've not been named yet as far as I'm aware) but it will be interesting to see how that affects this case, either by escalating it or it being swept under the rug in the name of polity.. Clearly Beijing is planning a show trial and jail, they've been banging a drum about previous Taiwanese criminals costing Chinese people money and not being punished properly. Holy gently caress I hope the US does SOMETHING. 
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Apr 14, 2016 21:08
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Artificer posted:Holy gently caress I hope the US does SOMETHING.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:19
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Artificer posted:Christ this situation is hosed up. Exactly how do you see China pressuring Google, considering Google can't even operate in the mainland?
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Apr 14, 2016 22:29
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I think it's a bad idea to have a dual passport/citizenship in a brutal corrupt dictatorship (specially ones that don't really respect dual citizenships), all it creates are potential dangers/problems. My wife can't actually get rid of her former-soviet-union citizenship without going to Russia so her plan is to just never set foot in that hell hole ever again. Really, that's the best solution: don't travel to or have legal or business dealings with lovely corrupt police states.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:39
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Jeoh posted:Exactly how do you see China pressuring Google, considering Google can't even operate in the mainland? Google is trying to go back to China. But China should let the whole world see Ten Year because HK Film Award gave the award to a hilariously bad junior film student project.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:31
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Parkingtigers posted:One of these Taiwanese prisoners holds a US passport too. The US govt. response so far has been to decline a comment about the person due to privacy issues (they've not been named yet as far as I'm aware) but it will be interesting to see how that affects this case, either by escalating it or it being swept under the rug in the name of polity.. Clearly Beijing is planning a show trial and jail, they've been banging a drum about previous Taiwanese criminals costing Chinese people money and not being punished properly. China neither recognizes Taiwan or dual citizenship.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:36
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Ersatz posted:Seriously. My fiance is from China, and we've talked about doing what we can to ensure that our future kids have both Chinese and US passports. If the US doesn't intervene here, we might scrap that plan and just go all-American. China doesn't recognize duel citizenship so you'll be going full American or full Chinese. It's a very difficult decision, though I think I know which way you may be leaning.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:41
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In fact neither China nor America recognise dual citizenship so you're 100% under the legal force of whichever country you're in or is annoyed with you. That said China seems to be leaning towards any of your parents being ethnic Chinese means you're under their authority. My outrage was less about the PRC side of things and more that other countries are letting it happen. Hence the Korea comparison.
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Apr 15, 2016 00:10
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I don't expect the US will do much overtly about this aside from reaffirm its commitment to Taiwan's sovereignty. The real shitstorm would happen if the Chinese attempted to do something on US soil.
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Apr 15, 2016 00:18
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sincx posted:I believe the official line from the State Department is that the US won't stop you from having multiple passports, but if you travel internationally using a non-US passport, you're (mostly) on your own. https://smartraveller.gov.au/countries/china posted:The Chinese government does not recognise dual nationality. If you are an Australian/Chinese dual national, you should travel on your Australian passport, obtain a visa for China and present yourself as Australian at all times. See Laws. Same in Australia. However, to travel to China on an Australian passport, you'll need to formally renounce your Chinese citizenship. So, it's more an rear end covering policy position than real advice.
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Apr 15, 2016 00:56
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whatever7 posted:Google is trying to go back to China. But China should let the whole world see Ten Year because HK Film Award gave the award to a hilariously bad junior film student project. The movie is still better than other big budget movies regulated by SARFT
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Apr 15, 2016 03:37
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sincx posted:I believe the official line from the State Department is that the US won't stop you from having multiple passports, but if you travel internationally using a non-US passport, you're (mostly) on your own. That said, if it weren't for the fact that most of my fiancé's family lives in Beijing, I'd be tempted to think that Baronjutter has the right idea: Baronjutter posted:Really, that's the best solution: don't travel to or have legal or business dealings with lovely corrupt police states.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:44
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Why the hell does anybody want to keep their China passport unless you want to save the $120 you need to pay to get a 5 year visa? China doesn't use passport inside China. You have to use the new national ID card. And there is no way to get a new ID card if you have a US passport.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:50
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whatever7 posted:Why the hell does anybody want to keep their China passport unless you want to save the $120 you need to pay to get a 5 year visa? With that in mind, the idea that the US wouldn't do anything about a US passport-holder being abducted from a third country by China is pretty disturbing.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:58
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Ersatz posted:It's less about travel and more about the hypothetical advantages of the child being able to freely choose, later in life, to be a member of one society or the other. Read that sentence aloud a few times.
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Apr 15, 2016 07:18
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whatever7 posted:Google is trying to go back to China. But China should let the whole world see Ten Year because HK Film Award gave the award to a hilariously bad junior film student project. Hong Kong cinema has been notoriously poor the last few years, a very sad decline from its heyday. In this case, the HK Film Awards didn't choose the movie with the best acting, or the glossiest production values, they chose the movie which actually had something to say. A choice between beautifully made pap, and a scruffy film with heart. The cinemas were packed out, so junior film student project or not it resonated with people across the city. If that's not a valid justification for best film, I don't know what is.
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Apr 15, 2016 09:54
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Ersatz posted:It's less about travel and more about the hypothetical advantages of the child being able to freely choose, later in life, to be a member of one society or the other. Ersatz posted:the hypothetical advantages of the child being able to freely choose, later in life, to be a member of one society or the other. Ersatz posted:the hypothetical advantages Ersatz posted:hypothetical
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Apr 15, 2016 10:42
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If you have a Chinese and a US passport and you get arrested for whatever reason in China you will be denied consular assistance I think, because the Chinese will say you only get to choose one nationality and you chose Chinese so now you go through the legal mangle as a local with no connections. Which sounds pleasant. If my wife had a Chinese passport she'd have renounced it by now.
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Ersatz posted:My understanding is that neither the US nor China recognize dual-citizenship, but that neither will stop one of their citizens from having multiple passports. So, as far as the U.S. is concerned, an American citizen with a Chinese passport is simply American and, as far as China is concerned, a Chinese citizen with a U.S. passport is simply Chinese. We have friends in Hong Kong who managed to secure both passports for their children, and so far they haven't run into any problems. Sincx is right, if you are a national of China, you are subject to Chinese law: https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...ationality.html Your understanding of not recognizing dual citizenship is backwards. When you travel on your Chinese passport, the US doesn't recognize you (or has less right to) as a US citizen because it's official policy is that you can't be a citizen of both. Don't hold citizenship of a country you don't want to follow the laws in. MickeyFinn fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 14:54
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There are no benefits to having a Chinese passport other than being able to get into China easier. They do not have many reciprocal visa free visitation agreements and if you do not live in China, you are going to be screwed in the long run by not being within the system of graft and patronage that runs China. Your children would also probably never be able to work on a government contract and it would be impossible for them to work for anyone who requires a security clearance check.
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Apr 15, 2016 15:03
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:There are no benefits to having a Chinese passport other than being able to get into China easier. They do not have many reciprocal visa free visitation agreements and if you do not live in China, you are going to be screwed in the long run by not being within the system of graft and patronage that runs China. I think you can also apply for Chinese citizenship later on if you qualify for it at birth.
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You can but you have to be a stateless person before being qualified. That's how some south Asians in Hong Kong get Chinese citizenship and travel across the border with their "home return permit"
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:There are no benefits to having a Chinese passport other than being able to get into China easier. They do not have many reciprocal visa free visitation agreements and if you do not live in China, you are going to be screwed in the long run by not being within the system of graft and patronage that runs China. If you don't have Hukou, you can't live like a normal Chinese during school year and college anyway. And when you are adult, you can not get an national ID card. My mother got her US citizenship a few year ago. When she use her old ID card in China now, her ID card number query pulls a bland name. HOWEVER if you want to be treated as "Chinese" in China. It's legal for US citizen to apply for Republic of China citizenship and enter China as Taiwanese. 
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Apr 15, 2016 15:33
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It's for a kid isn't it? Who knows what China will be like or what agreements they might have 2 decades from now. Having options is always useful.
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Koramei posted:It's for a kid isn't it? Who knows what China will be like or what agreements they might have 2 decades from now. Having options is always useful. Edit: that and the point raised above about security clearances. But I'm sure they'll eventually be able to find work outside of the American military-industrial complex, so I'm not bothered by that either. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 16:46
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Unless you're planning on your kid being a super-spy or whatever, renouncing the non-US citizenship should be fine for security clearance for government/military jobs, I have dual citizenship and I looked into that a few years ago. And for lots of countries even after you renounce the citizenship it's relatively straightforward to get it back. No clue where China falls on that though.
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Ersatz posted:That was exactly my thinking. And they're going to be raised in the States and would travel on their US passports, so I'm not seeing the downside aside from the disadvantages of (potentially) being treated as Chinese nationals by China when they visit China. And as far as that goes, it's generally not a great idea to violate Chinese law while visiting anyway. Violating Chinese law while not in China should also be a thing to keep an eye on.
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Apr 15, 2016 18:28
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Warbadger posted:Violating Chinese law while not in China should also be a thing to keep an eye on.
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Apr 15, 2016 18:32
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Ersatz posted:It's less about travel and more about the hypothetical advantages of the child being able to freely choose, later in life, to be a member of one society or the other. You're thinking of a British passport.
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Ersatz posted:It's less about travel and more about the hypothetical advantages of the child being able to freely choose, later in life, to be a member of one society or the other. On the other hand, life in China as a US citizen is actually way better than life in China as a Chinese citizen sooooo
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Apr 16, 2016 02:40
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From behind the FA paywallquote:WATCHING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IN CHINA
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Apr 21, 2016 06:34
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Good article. I like the idea of class struggle becoming a dominant force in American politics again, now that most of the recent social issues have receded to been put to rest.
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Apr 22, 2016 00:31
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For an Eric X Li article it was actually pretty good!
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quote:The Chinese have always thought it would be better for both countries if the United States turned to fixing its own seemingly intractable domestic problems. Jin Canrong, an academic and another leading hawk in the Chinese foreign policy establishment, called Trump a pragmatist and said that the Chinese always “preferred to deal with pragmatists.” No one doubts that there would be fierce rivalry between China and the United States with Trump at the helm. But China probably does not fear an American competitor. Competition is a good thing. What China has always resisted and resented is an America that seeks to remake the rest of the world in its own image. And that is not something Trump seems ready to do. This paragraph is total bullshit.
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