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SeanBeansShako posted:Like the whole active on the field regiment? like around at least 400-500 men? There's actually a whole book about just this. I haven't read it but a buddy has, he liked it.
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Ainsley McTree posted:I don't even want to see the kind of needle you'd need to save your life from a double canister shot You will be lucky to get some bourbon and something to bite on to hold back the pain, unless you got one of those fancy modern doctors carrying that sleep medicine. Unless of course you were in the centre mass of the group to get hit then you are pretty much more lead than man. Also quite dead.
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HEY GAIL posted:the largest shotgun in the world Technically the San Shikidan round doesn't count since it doesn't separate until after leaving the barrel, but it got up to 46cm in size. Think skeet shooting with a battleship's main battery.
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Hey is there anyone around who speaks... Serbian? Whatever this is written in (I remember the whole "these slavic languages aren't really different languages" thing from a few days ago so I hope I'm not stepping on any toes). Google translate did a poo poo job but the gist I got is that someone tried to blow something up (a rail line? a specific train?) and now various people with guns are very unhappy. I figured it's relevant because ~military~ (even if it is current events not history). Is this like an act-of-war, the Balkans are about to catch on fire again level event? Or is this just your normal Saturday? Somewhere in between? I'll admit I know almost nothing about the politics of the region these days. http://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/premijer-o-situaciji-na-kosovu-vucic-specijalci-rosu-hteli-da-miniraju-prugu-i-uhapse/tktrncn Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 14, 2017 |
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Crazycryodude posted:Hey is there anyone around who speaks... Serbian? Whatever this is written in (I remember the whole "these slavic languages aren't really different languages" thing from a few days ago so I hope I'm not stepping on any toes). Google translate did a poo poo job but the gist I got is that someone tried to blow something up (a rail line? a specific train?) and now various people with guns are very unhappy. I figured it's relevant because ~military~ (even if it is current events not history). Is this like an act-of-war, the Balkans are about to catch on fire again level event? Or is this just your normal Saturday? Somewhere in between? I'll admit I know almost nothing about the politics of the region these days. Albanian Spetsnaz tried to blow up a train track, to provoke a conflict in the Balkans. The "Kosovo is Serbia" train was supposed to take that track. I can't make out if the train was blown up or not, but I don't think so. Also I think we shy away from current events in this thread and this is more of a D&D sort of thing.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Also I think we shy away from current events in this thread and this is more of a D&D sort of thing. Ah, sorry. First instinct was to come here because I knew there were a few frequent goons who could translate.
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FastestGunAlive posted:Drunk post don't care suck it non artillery suckers st babs shout out even if it's technically in December and we celebrate in January for whatever reason I thought Fiddler's Green was a Cav thing...
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Crazycryodude posted:Hey is there anyone around who speaks... Serbian? Whatever this is written in (I remember the whole "these slavic languages aren't really different languages" thing from a few days ago so I hope I'm not stepping on any toes). Google translate did a poo poo job but the gist I got is that someone tried to blow something up (a rail line? a specific train?) and now various people with guns are very unhappy. I figured it's relevant because ~military~ (even if it is current events not history). Is this like an act-of-war, the Balkans are about to catch on fire again level event? Or is this just your normal Saturday? Somewhere in between? I'll admit I know almost nothing about the politics of the region these days. There is an Eastern Europe thread in D&D, which is very chill, and more than happy to talk about current events with you.
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Incidentally, the whole dynamic of incredibly similar languages being declared different for political/nationalist reasons is fairly common in certain scenarios, there's a similar deal with Hindi and Urdu in India and Pakistan being almost identical. To put it into perspective for English speakers, some linguists believe that if Scotland separated from the rest of Britain, then the Scottish dialect would become its own language, and others have said similar thing about English. Maintaining a language barrier is a powerful nationalistic tool. Irish Gaelic was headed towards extinction when the country went independent of the UK, but the country ran a big campaign to revive it.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Incidentally, the whole dynamic of incredibly similar languages being declared different for political/nationalist reasons is fairly common in certain scenarios, there's a similar deal with Hindi and Urdu in India and Pakistan being almost identical. To put it into perspective for English speakers, some linguists believe that if Scotland separated from the rest of Britain, then the Scottish dialect would become its own language, and others have said similar thing about English. To put it into further perspective the Scottish government has Scots as an official language right now, separately from English (and Gaelic).
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To be fair Scottish and English are in fact mutually unintelligible
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HEY GAIL posted:dialect_map_of_german.jpg Was about to say. I know some language geek is going to come on here and yell at me, but I still think Dutch would be considered a German dialect if history hadn't led to them being a nation 400 years before the Germans.
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SimonCat posted:I thought Fiddler's Green was a Cav thing... Fiddler's Green is a place I've heard tell, Where sailormen go if they don't go to hell...
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Cyrano4747 posted:Was about to say. I had a German professor (from Germany) get almost personally insulted and immediately dismissed the question when I asked about it. If you can read German, you can squint a bit and read maybe 60% of Dutch, but according to her, they are wholly distinct languages.
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What was the best pre-1871 point of departure for the area of today's Germany being several states? Was there a point where Bavaria could have gone and become similarly strong as Prussia so that they can't decide on a leader and stay seperate? Or something happens to the Confederation of the Rhine so that it persists and doesn't feel the need to unify with Prussia? Probably the relationship to France needs to take a different turn somewhere? Prussia gets weakened at some point somewhere and can't unify everything else under them? IIRC the rise of Prussia was a kinda unlikely story. e: wow, Confederation of the Rhine is yuuuge aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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what about the relationship to what is now Austria? Like, i could see a bunch of the southern political entities going Austria-ward
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aphid_licker posted:What was the best pre-1871 point of departure for the area of today's Germany being several states? Was there a point where Bavaria could have gone and become similarly strong as Prussia so that they can't decide on a leader and stay seperate? Or something happens to the Confederation of the Rhine so that it persists and doesn't feel the need to unify with Prussia? Probably the relationship to France needs to take a different turn somewhere? Prussia gets weakened at some point somewhere and can't unify everything else under them? IIRC the rise of Prussia was a kinda unlikely story. The Austro-Prussian war was that definite Rubicon that made only one model of German statehood possible.
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HEY GAIL posted:what about the relationship to what is now Austria? Like, i could see a bunch of the southern political entities going Austria-ward i guess there could have been some sort of austro-bavaria if the blutwurst eaters hadn't won in -66
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Yeah the argument about a big German (i.e. the whole German language area incl. Switzerland Austria etc) vs little German (what historically happened) solution for nationhood was a big thing in the 19th c. All the small Germany advocates didn't want the non-German complications of austro-Hungary plus they tended to be people with interests in keeping power centered on Berlin not Vienna
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In 1863 Austria presented their model of German Federation which would establish a confederation with a united defense policy, and a common executive body, the Federal Directorate, which would represent the largest states permanently + minor states on a rotating basis, but would effectively preserve the sovereignty of constituent states, EU style. This was killed off in 1866 by the defeat of Austria and the dissolution of the German Federation. The rest is history.
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I don't mean to come off like a douchebag but could people use 4 digits for dates instead of just decade and year? Like 1482 instead of just '82. It's come up a few times over the past couple of pages. I appreciate that if you have a lot of familiarity with a particular period then it doesn't seem ambiguous at all, and normally it's simple enough to work out by context, but especially when there are several different conversations going on at once about wildly different periods, it trips me up a bit to not see the century too.
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Crazycryodude posted:http://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/premijer-o-situaciji-na-kosovu-vucic-specijalci-rosu-hteli-da-miniraju-prugu-i-uhapse/tktrncn The "Blic" is pro-government trash. Don't bother with their articles. Our prime minister is paying the foreign policy tax while milking the situation for maximum personal gain. It's a big act of political performance art, and the train was intended to stop there. He gets to cry about being the reasonable man who saved the train, West gets to cry about evil Serbs and pretend they aren't maintaining a fairly tight grip on us on important matters like being their accomplices in arming the Saudi war machine, Russia gets to cry about evil West while ignoring that this whole thing was their idea, and Hashim Thaci gets to flex his muscles a bit, with our PM hoping that Thaci will sooner or later give in to being the murderous piece of poo poo he is and wipe out a Serb community or two so that our government can use that to further its policies. steinrokkan posted:There is an Eastern Europe thread in D&D, which is very chill, and more than happy to talk about current events with you. I stopped following it (or the previous iteration of it, I forgot) when a couple of posters started celebrating the high HIV infection rate in Russia while some dude from the Clancy crowd ranted about how America should be permitted to coup the governments of NATO member nations that get uppity (though I made an exception that one time when I vented about Šešelj being released from the Hagues) When did it stop being trash? e: All that having been said, yeah, there are threads about current events, and this one mostly isn't, especially when politics are involved. No, there won't be a war. my dad fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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aphid_licker posted:What was the best pre-1871 point of departure for the area of today's Germany being several states? Was there a point where Bavaria could have gone and become similarly strong as Prussia so that they can't decide on a leader and stay seperate? Or something happens to the Confederation of the Rhine so that it persists and doesn't feel the need to unify with Prussia? Probably the relationship to France needs to take a different turn somewhere? Prussia gets weakened at some point somewhere and can't unify everything else under them? IIRC the rise of Prussia was a kinda unlikely story. 1989? But yeah, I agree with everyone else that has highlighted the question of greater or lesser Germany. I think the easiest way to really mess up the timeline is to have Russia not intervene in the Hungarian Revolution of 1848. If Austria is just Austria and not Austria-Hungary, then the whole question of unification is different. Alternatively, some sort of post-WWI scenario where France and Britain win without the US, and dismantle the German Empire into Prussian, Bavarian and maybe a Rhenish state of some sort.
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steinrokkan posted:The Austro-Prussian war was that definite Rubicon that made only one model of German statehood possible. "Bah I don't see what this lower German fuss is about with these guns you can load from the back lying dow-"
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steinrokkan posted:In 1863 Austria presented their model of German Federation which would establish a confederation with a united defense policy, and a common executive body, the Federal Directorate, which would represent the largest states permanently + minor states on a rotating basis, but would effectively preserve the sovereignty of constituent states, EU style. This was killed off in 1866 by the defeat of Austria and the dissolution of the German Federation. The rest is history. I wonder if WWI would've been averted if this happened instead; hard to imagine Bismark's alliance structure happening or the Kaiser screwing things up in such a scenario. If this includes the rest of Austria Hungary I can't see the Northerners wanting to expand into Yugoslavia. On the other hand the whole organization is so large but also so obviously decentralized that I don't see France and Russia being as nervous with it as they were with the German Empire.
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There has got to be a way to get rid of the Saupreußn without getting stuck with any Schluchtenscheißer in the process. As-is this country is wack.
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steinrokkan posted:In 1863 Austria presented their model of German Federation which would establish a confederation with a united defense policy, and a common executive body, the Federal Directorate, which would represent the largest states permanently + minor states on a rotating basis aphid_licker posted:There has got to be a way to get rid of the Saupreußn without getting stuck with any Schluchtenscheißer in the process. As-is this country is wack. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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HEY GAIL posted:that war over schleswig-holstein goes the other way for some reason. Denmark inherits the earth. The problem with this is that militarily the only way it happens is some kind of Turtledove-style time travelers giving the Danish AK47s. Diplomatically the other major powers could have put more pressure on Prussia and caused them to back down (as happened the previous time the issue came up), but it's hard to believe Bismarck would have pressed forward if he didn't have his diplomatic ducks in a row. Possibly the Austrians could have realized that the long term effects would help Prussia a lot more than them but lol at post-1848 Austria having a coherent long term foreign policy.
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HEY GAIL posted:i've found the one thing on earth that could have made the austro-hungarian parliament more entertaining v0v That bit sounds exactly like the UN Security Council, might not be that bad 
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah the argument about a big German (i.e. the whole German language area incl. Switzerland Austria etc) vs little German (what historically happened) Well, except for that little period in the 1930s of course!
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feedmegin posted:Well, except for that little period in the 1930s of course!
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HEY GAIL posted:still not the entire Sprachgebiet Pretty much all of it though given the relevant bits of Poland, the Czech Republic etc. Basically just missing Switzerland and South Tyrol I think? Can't imagine they'd have lasted long if the Nazis had actually won.
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Raenir Salazar posted:If this includes the rest of Austria Hungary I can't see the Northerners wanting to expand into Yugoslavia. Joke's on them, they got involved anyway.
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