NZpol: A Dick-Burning Dumpster Fire

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Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

I suspect my investment portfolio has stock in corrections or war or some poo poo because my account increased by thousands of dollars in the days after the election of trump thanks trump :thumbsup:

# ? Dec 26, 2016 05:21

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# ? May 25, 2024 03:13

whiter than a Wilco show: Mar 30, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

It might be junkfood and tissue sales to democrats driving up your value, or gun sales. Also to democrats lol.

# ? Dec 26, 2016 06:44

Nude Bog Lurker: Jan 2, 2007; Fun Shoe

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/221092/new-zealands-settler-problem

zing

# ? Dec 27, 2016 20:56

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

I for one hope the Zionists really do follow through with the idea to help the Maori to erect a framework for negotiations that addresses the continuing European occupation of 4 million acres of Maori land that was seized by force in 1863, in defiance of legal treaty obligations.

# ? Dec 27, 2016 21:58

SurreptitiousMuffin: Mar 21, 2010

Does that guy realise he's admitting that Israeli settlements need to stop?

"You guys did the same thing and it's THE WORST. Nobody should ever do that.

Israel can do it though."

# ? Dec 27, 2016 22:06

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

He's comparing Israelis to Māori

# ? Dec 27, 2016 22:19

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Yeah, that's the Israel/Palestine issue boiled down. The Israelis see themselves as Maori reclaiming indigenous land illegally occupied for a millennium, while the Palestinians see them as the British illegitimately extending their share of a land divided between them by treaty.

# ? Dec 27, 2016 22:31

klen dool: May 7, 2007; Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

2017 exmarx posted:

He's comparing Israelis to Māori

Well that changes the whole feel of the article, because it really did to me read like a "revenge" type thing - like "you think we are doing bad stuff, well, you did it too you hypocrites" as if that's a valid argument ever.

Now its just funny. Israeli's comparing themselves and their situation to Māori - loving absurd.

# ? Dec 28, 2016 00:50

Kathleen: Feb 26, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Glad I'm not the only one who thought that article was loving disgusting.

# ? Dec 28, 2016 02:35

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

klen dool posted:

Well that changes the whole feel of the article, because it really did to me read like a "revenge" type thing - like "you think we are doing bad stuff, well, you did it too you hypocrites" as if that's a valid argument ever.

Now its just funny. Israeli's comparing themselves and their situation to Māori - loving absurd.

I believe the quick term for that is And you are lynching Negroes. Just for future reference.

Although come to think of it, it's not an exact match (It's more of a 'You do generic bad stuff so you can't critique' ad hominem thing) so if anyone knows of a more fitting term, please educate me!

# ? Dec 28, 2016 03:57

whiter than a Wilco show: Mar 30, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

WarpedNaba posted:

I believe the quick term for that is And you are lynching Negroes. Just for future reference.

Although come to think of it, it's not an exact match (It's more of a 'You do generic bad stuff so you can't critique' ad hominem thing) so if anyone knows of a more fitting term, please educate me!

"Identity politics"

# ? Dec 28, 2016 04:41

Varkk: Apr 17, 2004

"Bullshit" is the word in our local tongue.

# ? Dec 28, 2016 06:38

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

This article has a bunch of deets on what actually went down around the UN vote, including what McCully said to Netanyahu when Bibi called him ahead of the vote. I'm like 99% certain that McCully is the one who leaked that info himself as some kind of legacy building thing.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.761706?v=CE38225BE62A17922D806B6DAA5DB9EC

Ironically he's actually quite pro-Israel and in the past has been pulled back by people at MFAT from accidentally shifting NZ's position on Israel/Palestine towards Israel.

# ? Dec 28, 2016 09:17

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

First they eject our ambassador, and now they want to charge for news?

# ? Dec 28, 2016 11:51

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

bike tory posted:

This article has a bunch of deets on what actually went down around the UN vote, including what McCully said to Netanyahu when Bibi called him ahead of the vote. I'm like 99% certain that McCully is the one who leaked that info himself as some kind of legacy building thing.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.761706?v=CE38225BE62A17922D806B6DAA5DB9EC

Ironically he's actually quite pro-Israel and in the past has been pulled back by people at MFAT from accidentally shifting NZ's position on Israel/Palestine towards Israel.

If you've got access, could you please post the entire thing? In the name of uhhhh BDS

# ? Dec 28, 2016 11:54

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

quote:

Britain Pulled the Strings and Netanyahu Warned New Zealand It Was Declaring War: New Details on Israel's Battle Against the UN Vote

The British secretly worked the Palestinians and urged New Zealand to move ahead with the resolution, and a call from Netanyahu to Putin triggered a real drama at the UN HQ just one hour before the vote.

Last Friday, a few hours before the UN Security Council vote on the settlements, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu phoned New Zealand’s foreign minister, Murray McCully. New Zealand, together with Senegal, Malaysia and Venezuela, was leading the move to resubmit for a vote the resolution from which Egypt had backed down the day before.

A few hours earlier, a senior official in the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem called New Zealand’s ambassador to Israel, Jonathan Curr, and warned that if New Zealand’s move came to a vote, Israel might close its embassy in Wellington in protest. Ambassador Curr noted this and reported it to his government, but when dawn came in New York Israel understood that things were still moving ahead.

Netanyahu’s phone call to McCully was almost his last attempt to prevent the vote, or at least to postpone it and buy a little time. Western diplomats say the conversation was harsh and very tense and Netanyahu let loose with sharp threats, perhaps unprecedented in relations between Israel and another Western country.

“This is a scandalous decision. I’m asking that you not support it and not promote it,” Netanyahu told McCully, according to the Western diplomats, who asked to remain unnamed due to the sensitivity of the matter. “If you continue to promote this resolution from our point of view it will be a declaration of war. It will rupture the relations and there will be consequences. We’ll recall our ambassador to Jerusalem.” McCully refused to back down from the vote. “This resolution conforms to our policy and we will move it forward,” he told Netanyahu.

Just one month earlier, when McCully visited Israel and met with Netanyahu, he found the latter an entirely different man. Netanyahu was pleasant, friendly and overflowing with warmth. He showed McCully the famous PowerPoint presentation that he had shown in a round of background briefings for the media last summer. Laser pointer in hand, Netanyahu told McCully that Israel was expanding its foreign relations, breaking through in the region and making friends in Africa, Asia and Latin America.

The Western diplomats said that McCully, who over the past two years had been consistently pushing the Israeli-Palestinian issue in the UN Security Council, spoke with Netanyahu about the resolution his country wanted to promote. It was a much softer and more moderate version than the motion that passed last Friday. New Zealand’s resolution did talk about freezing construction in the settlements, but also about freezing Palestinian steps in the UN and the International Criminal Court in The Hague, and called for direct negotiations without

Netanyahu rejected this outright. If it were up to him, the Palestinian issue would not have come up in the meeting at all. His message to McCully was similar to what he said endlessly in public over the past few weeks. The world doesn’t care too much about the Palestinian issue. The automatic majority against Israel in the UN is about to become a thing of the past. “The vote Friday proved differently and showed that Netanyahu’s assessment was wrong,” a Western diplomat said.

Discussions with Western and Israeli diplomats reveal many interesting details about some of what happened behind the scenes at UN headquarters in New York between Thursday afternoon, when Egypt announced it was backing down from the resolution on the settlements, and Friday morning, when New Zealand, Senegal, Malaysia and Venezuela announced that they would continue to push for a vote.

Form the moment Egypt backed down on Thursday, the Western and Israeli diplomats say, New Zealand, Senegal, Malaysia and Venezuela were pressured to move ahead anyway. The Palestinians were the first to exert pressure, but they were joined by some of the Gulf States and Britain. The Western diplomats said that the British encouraged New Zealand to continue pushing for a vote even without Egyptian support.

The British had become active regarding the resolution a few days earlier. The Israeli diplomats say that from information that reached the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem, British legal figures and diplomats had been working directly with the Palestinians on the wording of the resolution even before it was distributed by Egypt the first time on Wednesday evening. According to the Israeli diplomats, the British did this secretly and without informing Israel.

The suspicion in Jerusalem is that the British had been working during all those days for the Americans to make sure the resolution was to U.S. President Barack Obama’s liking, but without the need to intervene directly in formulating it.

“We know how to read Security Council resolutions," a senior Israeli diplomat says. "This is not a text that was formulated by the Palestinians or Egypt, but by a Western power.” Israel’s ambassador to the U.S., Ron Dermer, said in interviews with the American media on Monday that Israel had proof that the Obama administration was behind the resolution and had formulated it. It is not clear whether this was what he meant.

Western diplomats partially confirm the description of their Israeli colleagues. They say that the British had indeed played a major role in formulating the resolution and revamping it with the Palestinians. However, they said they have no proof that it was the U.S. administration that was behind the whole move.

“The British helped tone down the text so it would meet the American threshold and so it could be passed without a veto,” one of the Western diplomats said.

Netanyahu’s phone conversation with New Zealand’s foreign minister did not put an end to attempts to prevent the vote on Friday evening. A few hours before the vote, the prime minister called Russian President Vladimir Putin and tried to persuade him. Just the day before, Israel had acceded to a Russian request and had�absented itself from a vote in the UN General Assembly on a resolution regarding war crimes in Syria.

It is not entirely clear what happened in the conversation between Netanyahu and Putin, but less than an hour before the vote a real drama took place at the UN headquarters in New York. While the Security Council member-states were preparing their speeches ahead of the vote and the public discussion that was held immediately that was to follow, the Russian UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin suddenly asked for a closed consultation.

A Western diplomat said that Churkin shocked the other ambassadors of the 14 Security Council member-states when he proposed postponing the vote until after Christmas. There had not been enough discussion on the wording of the resolution, Churkin claimed, and said he was surprised at the haste of some of the countries to hold a vote as quickly as possible. The deputy Russian ambassador to Israel, Alexy Drobinin, confirmed this in an interview with Army Radio on Tuesday morning.

Drobinin told Army Radio that Russia had objections to the timing of the resolution and that Russia’s representative in New York was the only one who asked to continue discussing it. Drobinin said it should be taken into consideration that a few weeks from now there would be a new administration in the United States, and that Russia was not satisfied with the way the resolution was brought to a vote. He said the problem was not the content, but the timing and the fact that the resolution related only to one out of the many core issues of the conflict.

But Churkin’s remarks fell on deaf ears. Most of the representatives at the meeting rejected them and demanded to move ahead on the vote as planned. A Western diplomat said that the Russian ambassador, who realized that he had not managed to garner support, backed down and summarized the consultation with a typically cynical remark about the proposal abandoned by Egypt – he said that never in his life had he seen so many people wanting to adopt an orphan so quickly.

The meeting ended, the ambassadors entered the Security Council chamber and a few minutes later they passed the resolution.

# ? Dec 28, 2016 12:11

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

# ? Dec 28, 2016 12:16

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

There's no paywall on it for me, maybe this is another way they're trying to punish NZ?

# ? Dec 28, 2016 12:25

Wafflecopper: Nov 27, 2004; I am a mouth, and I must scream

bike tory posted:

There's no paywall on it for me, maybe this is another way they're trying to punish NZ?

No paywall for me either and I'm in NZ

# ? Dec 28, 2016 12:30

The Sin of Onan: Oct 11, 2012; And below,
watched by eyes of steel
we dreamt

Wafflecopper posted:

No paywall for me either and I'm in NZ

Likewise. Maybe they're just trying to punish you specifically. What have you done to piss off Israel's oldest daily newspaper?

# ? Dec 28, 2016 14:01

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

maybe i'd already hit the article limit for this month, being insanely well-read or w/e

# ? Dec 28, 2016 15:31

Xik: Mar 10, 2011; Dinosaur Gum

FYI, if you ever hit a paywall like this just Google the article title. Practically everyone allows Google referrers to view the full article so they can stay indexed.

# ? Dec 29, 2016 00:02

Varkk: Apr 17, 2004

Israel just saw http://worldmapswithout.nz and decided to make it a reality.

# ? Dec 29, 2016 02:17

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

It told me to subscribe but the google trick worked fine

# ? Dec 29, 2016 04:00

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

They should stop sending spies to nz to get passports or w/e

# ? Dec 29, 2016 07:14

Varkk: Apr 17, 2004

Maybe that is the sanctions they are imposing on us. No longer sending agents here to get passports.

# ? Dec 29, 2016 07:31

whiter than a Wilco show: Mar 30, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

That's maybe a grand of revenue we'll be losing every time they want to do a spy.

# ? Dec 29, 2016 08:30

klen dool: May 7, 2007; Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Happy new year's cunts, I know I'm early but I got a 4 month old baby and I had to get drunk early and fast and barely.

# ? Dec 31, 2016 09:56

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

I'm going to bed. Got poo poo to do in the morning also got poo poo to do in the morning

# ? Dec 31, 2016 10:20

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

I got a week in Lieu for managing a terrible week for the company - which I will likely spend alone since I don't know anyone and there isn't really anything on that catches my interest.

# ? Dec 31, 2016 12:34

ledge: Jun 10, 2003

I spent new year's eve putting out a scrub fire lit by some cunts setting off fire works.

# ? Dec 31, 2016 12:48

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Happy new year guys. I'm on Princes Wharf listening to the water and tourists being told they can't drink here.

# ? Dec 31, 2016 12:51

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

WarpedNaba posted:

I believe the quick term for that is And you are lynching Negroes. Just for future reference.

Although come to think of it, it's not an exact match (It's more of a 'You do generic bad stuff so you can't critique' ad hominem thing) so if anyone knows of a more fitting term, please educate me!

Tu Quoque.

# ? Dec 31, 2016 13:41

Somfin: Oct 25, 2010; In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.; Nap Ghost

Doc Hawkins posted:

Tu Quoque.

Just the one at present.

# ? Dec 31, 2016 14:13

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

Doc Hawkins posted:

Tu Quoque.

Tah Muchly.

# ? Dec 31, 2016 23:19

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

# ? Jan 3, 2017 09:06

cptn_dr: Sep 7, 2011; Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies

Good to see someone finally addressing the epidemic of cop murder we're facing.

# ? Jan 3, 2017 09:27

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

I get the sentiment, but to call it tasteless is an understatement.

I mean, gently caress, that was an American thing. This is just millenial pandering.

# ? Jan 3, 2017 09:47

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

For each Blue Lives Matter band sold a policeman will receive a commuted sentence for gang-raping a woman with a baton.

# ? Jan 3, 2017 10:00

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# ? May 25, 2024 03:13

klen dool: May 7, 2007; Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

exmarx posted:

ok

How loving dense can the pigs be?

# ? Jan 3, 2017 11:20

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