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caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Aren’t people banning United and all that? Hard to ban them when their cross pacific flights are the cheapest

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

movax posted:

What’s the popular stuff in Gothenburg?

Geely Volvo or AB Volvo

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Geely Volvo or AB Volvo

Yup, that’s why I’m going there. Flying when you’re ill sucks.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
are you visiting the Chinese Swedes or the Svensk Swedes

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.
The Swedish ones, they’re showing me some concept car that everyone else has already written about because the embargo expired earlier today (and I don’t get there for another few hours).

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
those are the Chinese Swedes unless somehow AB Volvo has stupidly decided to go back in to the car business somehow

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.
Oh sorry, I thought you meant am I going to Volvo or Geely, assuming Geely has its own thing going on there.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
nah not to my knowledge at least

the Two Volvos is funny though

Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee

caberham posted:

Aren’t people banning United and all that? Hard to ban them when their cross pacific flights are the cheapest

Do you fly mainland Chinese airlines when they are cheapest? No? Then why are you flying United? Have some self control to back up your beliefs, otherwise they are pretty useless.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Mandalay posted:

Do you fly mainland Chinese airlines when they are cheapest? No? Then why are you flying United? Have some self control to back up your beliefs, otherwise they are pretty useless.

Luckily I’m in one world and stick with Cathay, American Airlines, and god help me British Airways so it’s extremely easy for me to avoid UA. I’m also not the type of person to announce loudly on social media IM GOING TO BAN X AND THEY WILL LOSE MY BUSINESS AND GET BANKRUPT HA HA HA!

Talk poo poo and gripe? yep. Convince people not to use their services? Sure. Give people poo poo for using United? *maybe

At the end of the day customers just follow the bottom line and product value. Few of my friends fly United because they are poor, it’s not their fault for being poor and they were happy with their trip.

It’s just that with its recent string of incidents UA got a lot of flack online and its share price nose dived. But its stock price has already recovered :ohdear:

https://m.ca.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/is-after-a-scandal-hits-the-time-to-buy-a-stock-1257371?ampMode=1

If I’m stuck in a typhoon in Shanghai, Cathay’s service isn’t much better and pretty much nonexistent. I get a voucher for some food and getting hotel stay is near impossible - China’s compensation laws are weak and I’m better off claiming travel insurance

caberham fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Sep 5, 2018

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
We might joke about lovely airlines and planes but it sure as heck beats a 5 hour greyhound bus in terms of safety.
Or renting a car and driving long stretches on fast expressways.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Mandalay posted:

Do you fly mainland Chinese airlines when they are cheapest? No? Then why are you flying United? Have some self control to back up your beliefs, otherwise they are pretty useless.

do not talk about my large adult son China Eastern Airlines in this fashion! you have hurt the feelings of the chinese people!!!!!

TheWevel
Apr 14, 2002
Send Help; Trapped in Stupid Factory
I got kicked down to a Marriott Gold Elite this year because I haven't been traveling as much, but I logged into my account today and found that I'm a Platinum again. I've only had maybe 8 or 9 nights this year. My phone app says that I'm on my way to lifetime Silver Elite but I have like 9 years as Gold or Platinum and over 500 nights so that's not right either.

I have no idea what's going on.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Thomamelas posted:

Pre is sometimes given out at random to flyers who the TSA thinks are low risk. Mostly it's a marketing thing. But it would surprise me much if someone who has Pre makes/is on a reservation that the TSA weighs that in the other people's favor. If it one person with a Pre escorting a party of people without then I can totally see a TSA agent loving up. As for people not getting flagged...it's the TSA. Half of their staff don't know their procedures anyway.

Annecdotal, but my wife gets Precheck about 90% of the time she flies on the same reservation with me.

porkface
Dec 29, 2000

Thoguh posted:

Annecdotal, but my wife gets Precheck about 90% of the time she flies on the same reservation with me.

If you're pre, shouldn't that be 100%?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

TheWevel posted:

I got kicked down to a Marriott Gold Elite this year because I haven't been traveling as much, but I logged into my account today and found that I'm a Platinum again. I've only had maybe 8 or 9 nights this year. My phone app says that I'm on my way to lifetime Silver Elite but I have like 9 years as Gold or Platinum and over 500 nights so that's not right either.

I have no idea what's going on.

IIRC, people who has Gold Elite before the SPG-Marriott program merger (which happened like two weeks ago) got bumped up to Platinum.

I thought about switching to Marriott from Hilton, but their program is a loving mess right now, so I went with Hyatt because I like their hotels and they have a good upgrade policy.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

psydude posted:

IIRC, people who has Gold Elite before the SPG-Marriott program merger (which happened like two weeks ago) got bumped up to Platinum.

I thought about switching to Marriott from Hilton, but their program is a loving mess right now, so I went with Hyatt because I like their hotels and they have a good upgrade policy.

Ah so that's why that happened. I was confused when I checked in this week, would have sworn I was gold but greeted me as platinum.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

porkface posted:

If you're pre, shouldn't that be 100%?

I am, she isn't.

Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee

caberham posted:

my friends fly United because they are poor
A good thread title imo.

TheWevel posted:

I got kicked down to a Marriott Gold Elite this year because I haven't been traveling as much, but I logged into my account today and found that I'm a Platinum again. I've only had maybe 8 or 9 nights this year. My phone app says that I'm on my way to lifetime Silver Elite but I have like 9 years as Gold or Platinum and over 500 nights so that's not right either.

I have no idea what's going on.

Same here, I got kicked up from Marriott Gold (ill gotten as a match from SPG Gold) to Marriott Platinum. It's confusing to me but I was already able to leverage it for an upgrade at a pricey NYC hotel for 5 nights so no complaints here!!

Thoguh posted:

Annecdotal, but my wife gets Precheck about 90% of the time she flies on the same reservation with me.

For us it's a 100% success rate with same PNR. Different PNR / same reservation is 0%.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

caberham posted:

We might joke about lovely airlines and planes but it sure as heck beats a 5 hour greyhound bus in terms of safety.
Or renting a car and driving long stretches on fast expressways.

Lol drat way to call out waroduce.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

psydude posted:

IIRC, people who has Gold Elite before the SPG-Marriott program merger (which happened like two weeks ago) got bumped up to Platinum.

I thought about switching to Marriott from Hilton, but their program is a loving mess right now, so I went with Hyatt because I like their hotels and they have a good upgrade policy.


Same.

All this means is there are a shitload more Platinum Elites and thus Platinum Elite is for all intents and purposes Gold Elite now. And so on down the chain.

See also: United/Continental merger in 2011.

One more reason to not really give a poo poo about any status beyond the basics.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.
Flying back to DC on a BA747 and they let me go into the cockpit and talk to the flight crew while we’re still on the ground. :krad: The last time I got to do that it was probably 1985.

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
Speaking of how lovely United is, my mom was flying back from Europe and ended up with a 40 hour travel journey because United flights in Newark kept on getting cancelled. She finally booked herself on American to get home out of Newark. Does she have any recourse? She was originally supposed to get home yesterday. Isn't there some sort of EU law that might apply, or is that not the case since the delay was in Newark?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Residency Evil posted:

Speaking of how lovely United is, my mom was flying back from Europe and ended up with a 40 hour travel journey because United flights in Newark kept on getting cancelled. She finally booked herself on American to get home out of Newark. Does she have any recourse? She was originally supposed to get home yesterday. Isn't there some sort of EU law that might apply, or is that not the case since the delay was in Newark?

It would fall under US aviation law, but she's probably entitled to a refund for the final leg of her trip out of Newark since they changed her itinerary so drastically and so many times. Did she tell the booking agent that she was going to book with someone else and cancelled her ticket? Because if not, then she's probably SOL.

creationist believer
Feb 16, 2007

College Slice
EU261/2004 applies to any flight that departs from an airport in the EU regardless of where the airline is based, or any flight on an airline based in the EU. If the flight that was delayed was Europe-EWR, then she'd be owed compensation. If it was the EWR-USA segment that was delayed, she'd be at the mercy of whatever compensation United offered, because consumer advocacy laws are anti-freedom :911:

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


psydude posted:

I thought about switching to Marriott from Hilton, but their program is a loving mess right now, so I went with Hyatt because I like their hotels and they have a good upgrade policy.

What’s wrong with the Hilton program?

I’d prefer Hyatt and IHG over Hilton but they’re got good hotels close to my customers plus the phone app. as key is great.

Arzakon
Nov 24, 2002

"I hereby retire from Mafia"
Please turbo me if you catch me in a game.

creationist believer posted:

EU261/2004 applies to any flight that departs from an airport in the EU regardless of where the airline is based, or any flight on an airline based in the EU. If the flight that was delayed was Europe-EWR, then she'd be owed compensation. If it was the EWR-USA segment that was delayed, she'd be at the mercy of whatever compensation United offered, because consumer advocacy laws are anti-freedom :911:

Unless a short delay at the EU origin caused a missed connection outside the EU, causing a qualifying delay at the final destination. Then the delay to the final destination is time you could use to ask for EU261/2004 compensation.

It doesn't sound like that happened, and she likely screwed herself by booking her own flight out of EWR. I would still go to United's online complaint form, fill out a refund/reimbursement request and ask for EU261/2004 compensation based on the time she was supposed to get home and the time she did get home. Ask specifically for €600 as there was a >4 hour delay on an EU origin flight. They will probably catch it and just throw some miles at her instead but it is worth a shot.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Tab8715 posted:

What’s wrong with the Hilton program?

I’d prefer Hyatt and IHG over Hilton but they’re got good hotels close to my customers plus the phone app. as key is great.

Reward redemption sucks ("Got a bajillion points? Enjoy one and a half free nights!"), they have inconsistent policies WRT upgrades and access to the executive lounge (seems nitpicky, but what's the point of having status if you aren't actually going to give any perks), and most of their hotels are in serious need of an upgrade.

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


I've found Hilton reward redemption to be hit or miss (gold last year, will hit Diamond this year thanks to rollovers). Most of our Hilton preferred rates are at Hampton, Garden Inn, DoubleTree, or Embassy - at Hampton I almost always get upgraded to a suite. I like their suites - they have huge workspaces. Anywhere else, I might get lounge floor a couple times a year. If you're strategic with your points redemption (usually planning a month or more ahead) you can score a room anywhere for 1 - 1.2 cents/point. Agree most of their locations need an upgrade. In the last year I've stayed at an original style Embassy and Garden Inn. They weren't badly maintained, just really dated looking.

I've never been a fan of Marriott's rewards program. It's too hard to get status and status doesn't get much (SPG merger has definitely made it even harder/worse). Their properties are usually nicer and more up-to-date.

IHG is a total crapshoot. I've stayed at some really nice properties, and some really awful ones. I've also had really good redemptions, and really really bad ones.

Hyatt seems like it has a good rewards program and good properties, but they're never on our preferred list.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
One of the worst things that Southwest does is they don’t update departure times until it’s hilariously late. I’m waiting for a flight that’s reading “on time” on the app that’s supposed to leave in 4 minutes. It has not left the previous city that’s about an hour away.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Lote posted:

One of the worst things that Southwest does is they don’t update departure times until it’s hilariously late. I’m waiting for a flight that’s reading “on time” on the app that’s supposed to leave in 4 minutes. It has not left the previous city that’s about an hour away.

FlightAware - track inbound flight.

It's a basic necessity.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
They ended up delaying it twice then cancelling it within 30 minutes. Ugh

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Lote posted:

One of the worst things that Southwest does is they don’t update departure times until it’s hilariously late. I’m waiting for a flight that’s reading “on time” on the app that’s supposed to leave in 4 minutes. It has not left the previous city that’s about an hour away.

This also United and AA in my experience.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Cacafuego posted:

This also United and AA in my experience.

Nobody is actually honest about delays.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Sometimes the average delay time is even baked into the flight time. Cathay does this in HKG.

There’s an average delay of 45 min from HKG-PVG, so instead of a 2 hour flight time, total trip is 3.5 hours, so sometimes the pilot is even happy to be “10 min earlier”.

And shoving passengers onto the tarmac to wait out another 40 min is not a delay. That way travel insurance won’t need to pay!

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

caberham posted:

Sometimes the average delay time is even baked into the flight time. Cathay does this in HKG.

There’s an average delay of 45 min from HKG-PVG, so instead of a 2 hour flight time, total trip is 3.5 hours, so sometimes the pilot is even happy to be “10 min earlier”.

And shoving passengers onto the tarmac to wait out another 40 min is not a delay. That way travel insurance won’t need to pay!

It also gooses the on time numbers.

ScooterMcTiny
Apr 7, 2004

caberham posted:

Sometimes the average delay time is even baked into the flight time. Cathay does this in HKG.

There’s an average delay of 45 min from HKG-PVG, so instead of a 2 hour flight time, total trip is 3.5 hours, so sometimes the pilot is even happy to be “10 min earlier”.

And shoving passengers onto the tarmac to wait out another 40 min is not a delay. That way travel insurance won’t need to pay!

Basically all LA-SF flight are this way too. Minimum 1:45 scheduled flying time when you’re actually only ever in the air for 50 minutes.

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.

Ixian posted:

All this means is there are a shitload more Platinum Elites and thus Platinum Elite is for all intents and purposes Gold Elite now. And so on down the chain.
Platinum *IS* the old gold - 50 nights for new Marriott platinum, 50 nights for old Marriott gold. 50 night status required for breakfast/lounge access, same as before.

Lote posted:

One of the worst things that Southwest does is they don’t update departure times until it’s hilariously late. I’m waiting for a flight that’s reading “on time” on the app that’s supposed to leave in 4 minutes. It has not left the previous city that’s about an hour away.
I've found AA often won't update a flight time until the inbound departs. (May not apply at hubs, where there's presumably spare aircraft around.)

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

caberham posted:

Sometimes the average delay time is even baked into the flight time. Cathay does this in HKG.

There’s an average delay of 45 min from HKG-PVG, so instead of a 2 hour flight time, total trip is 3.5 hours, so sometimes the pilot is even happy to be “10 min earlier”.


This is definitely my experience with American over the past couple of years.

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Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

caberham posted:

Sometimes the average delay time is even baked into the flight time. Cathay does this in HKG.

There’s an average delay of 45 min from HKG-PVG, so instead of a 2 hour flight time, total trip is 3.5 hours, so sometimes the pilot is even happy to be “10 min earlier”.

And shoving passengers onto the tarmac to wait out another 40 min is not a delay. That way travel insurance won’t need to pay!

I’d rather they juice the numbers this way and let people plan around frequent delays than cause chaos every time there's a departure queue.

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