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Meridian posted:My hot take is that the black goo and weird parasite creatures mixed in with the Engineers plot is totally fine and cool and good and doesn't need The Alien at all. I think it'd probably be better if it didn't have it because as the dude in the video above was saying, part of what made Alien great is that it's just this monstrous, unknowable death machine. While yes, you can say "it still is," sure, but we didn't need to know where it came from really. The implication that the black goo/engineers/Aliens are connected is enough. Both stories I think would be stronger standing alone. I don't really disagree with any of that, I'd love to see a version of Prometheus and Covenant completely free of the burden of the xenomorph, but I also love what we got just the same. The movie I'm imagining in my head that doesn't exist may not have even been as good as what Scott ended up making. Probably not, because you know, I'm me and he's Ridley Scott.
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Oh, I got distracted. My actual point was that it shouldn't matter if a sequel uses a different premise from the original, as long as it makes for a good movie on its own. The idea that it also needs to be a good sequel seems kind of unimportant to me. The idea that Exorcist 2 is bad BECAUSE it changes the premise of the The Exorcist doesn't feel like it would matter if Exorcist 2 was a really great movie. I haven't seen it though, so I can't comment.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Kermode is a drat fool. His entire argument boils down to "sequels should be scary for the exact same reasons as the original". He never really makes any other point. The Exorcist II is bad because it changes what was scary about The Exorcist. Covenant is bad because it changes what was scary about Alien. He doesn't even address the issue of whether those movies are scary in their own separate ways.
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I didn't watch the video but the reasons that Exorcist II is supposed to be scary are very very very similar to the original, Exorcist II sucks for a number of other reasons.
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I will forever John Boorman for saying he saw The Exorcist and thinking he could do better.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I will forever John Boorman for saying he saw The Exorcist and thinking he could do better. He also thought Zardoz was a swell idea. What I am saying is he had his ups and downs.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I will forever John Boorman for saying he saw The Exorcist and thinking he could do better. LMAO Forever for him saying that for real. The best part was he did so much better the movie had to be recalled from theaters so he could re-edit it. quote:Friedkin saw half an hour of the film: "I was at Technicolor and a guy said 'We just finished a print of Exorcist II, do you wanna have a look at it?' And I looked at half an hour of it and I thought it was as bad as seeing a traffic accident in the street. It was horrible. It's just a stupid mess made by a dumb guy – John Boorman by name, somebody who should be nameless, but in this case should be named. Scurrilous. A horrible picture."[8] Friedkin later stated that this sequel diminished the value of the original and called it "one of the worst films I've ever seen." He later added, "That film was made by a demented mind".
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quote:somebody who should be nameless, but in this case should be named. Scurrilous. This is my feeling whenever I hear the term "studio mandated." Name the fuckhead at the studio who's playing backseat filmmaker then publicly shame them when their stupid ideas are exposed for what they are.
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*Forever love, rather. But you gotta give it up to that guy. Biggest horror movie of all time to this very day, he sees it and goes "I could do better," then makes Exorcist II.
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You certainly can't accuse Boorman of holding back with Exorcist II, whatever you may think of it.
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I saw Exorcist II at the exact right age to think Linda Blair was the hottest thing on two legs so I still have a soft spot for it. Also JEJ owns in it.
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In the theatre I didn't realize how great this part was, and how perfectly it leads off from Prometheus: Weyland: "I am your father. Ambulate." David gets up and moves Weyland: "Perfect." David: "Am I?" Weyland: "Perfect?" David: "Your son?"
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Jul 7, 2017 07:53
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LesterGroans posted:In the theatre I didn't realize how great this part was, and how perfectly it leads off from Prometheus: For some reason, this makes me want a very careful edit of BvS replacing Lex with David.
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Jul 7, 2017 08:13
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That would improve the film quite a bit. I'd honestly be down for some cross film hoping where David just fucks up every movies day over and over.
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Jul 7, 2017 08:33
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CelticPredator posted:That would improve the film quite a bit. I mean that's damning the idea with faint praise because literally anything would make Batman versus Superman a better movie. When you're on the bottom you can only go up.
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Jul 7, 2017 08:54
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Honestly the ultimate cut made the film decent, and not a messy repugnant piece of poo poo. It's amazing what editing scenes that flow together can do to a film!
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Jul 7, 2017 09:01
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I figured out what the black goo is, people. It's goons discussing Batman v Superman.
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Jul 7, 2017 09:32
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Xenomrph posted:Worth pointing out that David has a demonstrated track record of misattributing creators and their creations - he gets the author of the "look upon my works" quote wrong, despite it allegedly being his favorite quote of all time. That detail wasn't included by accident. This succinct and insightful comment closed the case on David's role as creator of The Alien but that argument still kept going for a page and a half. Weird. Xeno you should link back to that post next time some rear end in a top hat tries to portray you as a continuity-obsessed action figure collecting fanboy. It's never been true and that kind of reading is proof.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:This succinct and insightful comment closed the case on David's role as creator of The Alien but that argument still kept going for a page and a half. Weird. For a good while now Xeno's been pushing this theory about the Space Jockey in Alien not actually being an Engineer, and for a long time I thought that was just absurd. Now I'm really not so sure, there's a real possibility he was right all along. The Engineers just being the offspring of an even older and more powerful race fits in pretty well with the themes of fatherhood and creation in Prometheus and Covenant.
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Jul 7, 2017 21:15
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Yeah. No.
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Jul 7, 2017 21:42
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LesterGroans posted:In the theatre I didn't realize how great this part was, and how perfectly it leads off from Prometheus: Yeah, that whole scene is perfect, all the little "off" details like Michaelangelo's David being truncated at the neck and ankles, the identical asymmetrical chair against the wall, stuff like that.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yeah, that whole scene is perfect, all the little "off" details like Michaelangelo's David being truncated at the neck and ankles, the identical asymmetrical chair against the wall, stuff like that. It really is. Guy Pearce does a ton with such a small part, too.
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Jul 7, 2017 22:11
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LesterGroans posted:It really is. Guy Pearce does a ton with such a small part, too. "My" Guy Pearce.
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I love the sound of his feet clacking on the ground. Don't know why! Little things like that make that scene. Also the Covenant theme kicking in as he's pouring the tea owns.
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CelticPredator posted:Yeah. I need to know if you're from LA or NYC so I can understand if this post means yes or no.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:This succinct and insightful comment closed the case on David's role as creator of The Alien but that argument still kept going for a page and a half. Weird. Actually what's weird is that you think a discussion should shut down because some comment "won". Especially bizarre since people were talking about how David being wrong played into things.
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Look its Ridley Scott if he wants to say David is now the creator, I believe he wins, sadly. David is now the creator of the aliens, created by a robot whom humans hated for no reason and now he hates humans. Aliens be like, shrug they make good aliens! Robots don't make good aliens, thumbs down. Take that David! 
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Engineers create man man creates androids androids destroy engineers woman inherits the earth.
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Neo Rasa posted:I need to know if you're from LA or NYC so I can understand if this post means yes or no. It means bah
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Tenzarin posted:Look its Ridley Scott if he wants to say David is now the creator, I believe he wins, sadly. David is now the creator of the aliens, created by a robot whom humans hated for no reason and now he hates humans. You post like you have a massive head wound
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Don't injury shame
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Why are people in the Alien universe so averse to wearing protective gear when exploring a scary new planet and also so into touching random poo poo that you have no idea what it is or how it could react to anything Like not even a surgical mask or something like that
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wyoming posted:Actually what's weird is that you think a discussion should shut down because some comment "won". No I just think we could've been spared the entire page of semantics bullshit.
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Calaveron posted:Why are people in the Alien universe so averse to wearing protective gear when exploring a scary new planet and also so into touching random poo poo that you have no idea what it is or how it could react to anything Scott should have everyone who dies happen to be wearing red next time.
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Because those things just get in the way of the story. Like, they wore helmets in Prometheus, but no one wants to watch a 2 hour movie of people in helmets. Also, I don't know if you remember, but helmets actually do nothing to prevent being facehugged. Just not wearing helmets way better than the characters beung "smart enough" to wear them and then "dumb enough" to take them off. Just take them out of the equation if the story mandates that they do nothing anyway.
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Yaws posted:You post like you have a massive head wound Back at you buddy.
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Snak posted:Because those things just get in the way of the story. Like, they wore helmets in Prometheus, but no one wants to watch a 2 hour movie of people in helmets. But like if something so basic as PPE on a foreign planet gets in the way of the story, can't you just write a different story. I mean they don't wear helmets and then alien powder flies in their freaking ear canals, something that would have been prevented with a drat helmet. It's really hard to reconcile that :/ Why couldn't a guy slip on a banana peel and whoops, he broke his helmet and wouldn't ya know it, some of the black goo accidentally went in his mouth. Anything!
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