Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Locked thread
galenanorth
May 19, 2016




Dairy Tariff posted:

he too old, retire

guy's been in Congress for 37 years out of his 79 years of life

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

pro click

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmFaFmR3d8I

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
Free Matey


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VucczIg98Gw

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Mister Fister posted:

A Bernie Bro has some serious Kompromat on Peter, this is the only logical explanation

If this were true, he'd be tweeting things like "I'm a stupid moron with a big butt, and my butt smells, and I like to kiss my own butt"

That's what I'd have him say anyway

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Asensanders%20ice&s=09

ugh

nah
Mar 16, 2009

Bermie...

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

if daou can uncob himself i say welcome him, if he starts trying the centrist poo poo again burn him

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/1009847257171034112?s=19

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011


For once we are as brothers, Friend Whiskeyjuvenile.

But we really need to have a serious talk about your poor maid.

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006



:hellyeah:

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069




Clapping Larry

nah posted:

Bermie...

woild gace won
,!

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


god drat cynthia go off, hell yes

https://twitter.com/cynthianixon/status/1009961268193742850?s=21

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


owns

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/Toms_Spectre/status/1009972719146815488?s=19

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

it's been a long time since Wikileaks did something good, even if they're just rehosting a set that's been going around for a while

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
How long until jack removes the tweet?

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!
https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/1009961912606580736

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Main Paineframe posted:

it's been a long time since Wikileaks did something good, even if they're just rehosting a set that's been going around for a while

never mind. that isn't the dox dataset

it's just a list of public Linkedin profiles that happened to mention ICE

presumably they're trying to capitalize on the notoriety of the dox dataset

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008


not surprised at the comments, wikileaks has been grooming chuds for years

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


loquacius posted:

Peter... Daou... good????? :psyduck:

and all it took was him blocking all of twitter after years of being dunked on constantly

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

:getin:

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

lock. Her. up.

nah
Mar 16, 2009

some blue checkmark hillaryman blamed berniebros for trump and someone had a very good and brutal takedown of them so here it is

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009725455996354560

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009725694446714881

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009725869634359297

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009726303958810624

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009727030424813568

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009727434998988800

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009727763027128320

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009728311289733126

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009728738156613632

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009729220656881664

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009730626352603136

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009730865511858176

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009731145368387587

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009731737356722176

https://twitter.com/walking_fox/status/1009732993097666561

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
That's some good poo poo right there.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
https://mobile.twitter.com/BillHumphreyMA/status/1010140478346596352

lol that the Dems tried to make this idiot a thing

OmanyteJackson
Mar 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
not succ, just Burnie being good

https://mobile.twitter.com/HootHootBerns/status/1009768993404719105

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
And watch the Clintonista completely ignore the existence of the minority leftist.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

nah posted:

some blue checkmark hillaryman blamed berniebros for trump and someone had a very good and brutal takedown of them so here it is

lol at his reply

https://twitter.com/Thesixler/status/1010007408620523520

https://twitter.com/Thesixler/status/1010030665293750272

he didn't even read it lmao

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

"should have sent it to me via a DM because :decorum:"

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


killary strikes again

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!
Only children say things like "I don't like X, we should totally get rid of it. Who cares what it does and what effect that would have, I just don't like what it does".

It would be just as childish for me to say something like "Well, ICE arrested 11 child predators sharing child pornography 10 days ago, would you be for known pedophiles to roam the streets freely?" Of course not, thats a silly thing to say, but ICE has arrested thousands of sex offenders over the years.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-hsi-arrests-11-child-predators-part-operation-broken-heart

ICE definitely needs to be reformed, it makes zero sense for a country to just say "Hey, if you can make it here, you are cool with us!" Even our friends in Canada don't have open borders and have very strict restrictions on immigration. What we don't need to do is treat people cruelly, and the simplest path for that is the elections in 2020 since ICE gets its marching orders and policy tone/enforcement from The President.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
Why does ICE need to exist to catch child predators? I don't think that follows at all. The agency didn't even exist before 2003.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Barry Convex posted:

Only children say things like "I don't like X, we should totally get rid of it. Who cares what it does and what effect that would have, I just don't like what it does".

It would be just as childish for me to say something like "Well, ICE arrested 11 child predators sharing child pornography 10 days ago, would you be for known pedophiles to roam the streets freely?" Of course not, thats a silly thing to say, but ICE has arrested thousands of sex offenders over the years.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-hsi-arrests-11-child-predators-part-operation-broken-heart

ICE definitely needs to be reformed, it makes zero sense for a country to just say "Hey, if you can make it here, you are cool with us!" Even our friends in Canada don't have open borders and have very strict restrictions on immigration. What we don't need to do is treat people cruelly, and the simplest path for that is the elections in 2020 since ICE gets its marching orders and policy tone/enforcement from The President.

Lol, where's this from?

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

ikanreed posted:

Lol, where's this from?

shitlib on another forum

why indeed

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1010150424089899008?s=21

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Lambert posted:

Why does ICE need to exist to catch child predators? I don't think that follows at all. The agency didn't even exist before 2003.

They're getting rid of the competition.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Barry Convex posted:

Only children say things like "I don't like X, we should totally get rid of it. Who cares what it does and what effect that would have, I just don't like what it does".

It would be just as childish for me to say something like "Well, ICE arrested 11 child predators sharing child pornography 10 days ago, would you be for known pedophiles to roam the streets freely?" Of course not, thats a silly thing to say, but ICE has arrested thousands of sex offenders over the years.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-hsi-arrests-11-child-predators-part-operation-broken-heart

ICE definitely needs to be reformed, it makes zero sense for a country to just say "Hey, if you can make it here, you are cool with us!" Even our friends in Canada don't have open borders and have very strict restrictions on immigration. What we don't need to do is treat people cruelly, and the simplest path for that is the elections in 2020 since ICE gets its marching orders and policy tone/enforcement from The President.

source your quotes

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP


Your efforts to move the party is having an effect so please stop.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

The title makes it five hundred times funnier

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The Atlantic: The Lesson Democrats Have Yet to Learn on Immigration

quote:

As Peter Beinart has pointed out in The Atlantic, Democrats have only grown more and more extreme on the issue of immigration—and more shrill. Democrats seem to have imperceptibly, but genuinely, shifted from a policy of “some restriction, some enforcement, some amnesty, some increase” to a much more expansionist policy. While most Democratic politicians still gesture in the direction of some form of enforcement and limit, in practice they seem to find it impossible to find any sort of immigration that they don’t approve of. While politicians follow, as always, the intelligentsia leads. How many progressive intellectuals don’t believe that borders are in some sense immoral? Meanwhile, the self-styled resistance, in response to Trump’s disgraceful treatment of children, is pushing forward with its “abolish ICE” campaign, a slogan so hilariously short-sighted I’m still not 100 percent convinced it’s not the RNC (or perhaps Putin) who coined it.

As Business Insider’s Josh Barro has argued, Americans think immigration is fine, but they also want their immigration system to be controlled by people who believe they have the interests of American citizens at heart when designing and implementing immigration policy—not those of foreign citizens.

And this may be why Stephen Miller’s gambit—this debate was purposefully provoked by Miller, President Trump’s notoriously anti-immigration policy adviser, with the intent of causing a big ruckus ahead of the midterm elections—might yet pay off. The majority of Americans might dislike Trump’s actions, but they might dislike even more the alternative of open borders, if that’s what they see Democrats offering.

So should Democrats just “moderate” and “triangulate”? Well, yes and no.

France’s Macron may offer them the best blueprint to follow. Macron, the former investment banker, the centrist’s centrist, clearly believes that immigration is awesome. He has also clearly read the polls that say French people hate it.

His approach hasn’t been to try to thread the needle so much as try to gain credibility for future expansions of immigration. During his presidential campaign, the biggest drag on Macron’s candidacy was his full-throated support for immigration. And yet, in office, he has swung around, promoting a bill that expedites the process of evaluating asylum seekers’ claims, to a degree that has advocates in conniptions.

Last week, the news in France and Europe was consumed by the fate of the Aquarius, a ship carrying 630 African migrants it had rescued in the central Mediterranean that was left sailing back and forth off the coast of Italy. Italy’s government, headed by a new populist coalition, refused to take in the boat—which made France the next most geographically available candidate. To the shock of many on his own side, Macron didn’t budge. (The boat eventually went to Spain.)

Theoretically Macron is not a conservative, but actual French conservatives have talked about reducing immigration levels for 25 years and have never done it while in office, while Macron wants to be seen as taking concrete steps to show that he can actually be tough on illegal and irregular immigration.

The paradox is that even as he’s doing it, Macron is singing the praises of immigration in the abstract. I don’t think it’s hypocrisy (although it can verge on the ridiculous, as when France’s spokesman criticized Trump’s border policy right after the Aquarius episode) but rather a deliberate tactic. Macron is implicitly saying: “We agree that there’s good immigration, but you won’t trust me to bring in immigrants in the right way if you can’t also trust me to keep out and kick out immigrants who break the rules, and I accept that.”

The problem is that many progressives seem to think that whenever politicians invoke “the rule of law” as a motive for enforcing borders, that is racial code. I don’t doubt that there’s some truth to this. Maybe a lot of it. But the fact remains that America’s current immigration regime, in practice, functions by having the law and then not enforcing it. Populists only win elections when the elites discredit themselves in the eyes of the public, and a regime of saying one thing and doing something else is corrosive to democratic norms. It’s perfectly legitimate for voters to want their politicians to demonstrate that they care about enforcing some limits on immigration.

That is exactly the thing that many American voters believe Democrats are unwilling to do—to draw a line somewhere. Because deep down, voters suspect, they don’t want to.

And, well, many voters think that could be worse than Trump

PASCAL-EMMANUEL GOBRY is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

quote:

The Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC) is a conservative[2][3] Washington, D.C.-based think tank and advocacy group. Founded in 1976, the group describes itself as "dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical issues of public policy", and advocacy of founding principles such as the rule of law.[4] The EPPC is active in a number of ways, including holding conferences,[5] publishing written work[6] from the group's scholars,[7] and running programs[8] intended to explore areas of public concern and interest.

The EPPC's current president is Edward Whelan, who previously worked as an official in the United States Department of Justice. Michael Cromartie, former chairman of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, serves as vice president, while George Weigel, Catholic theologian and papal biographer, is distinguished senior fellow.

gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 15:07 on Jun 22, 2018

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

oh don't bury the lede on that moron, the author is from a koch brother funded religious conservative think tank

  • Locked thread