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Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
You know what's awesome against Rock Worms? Treant. "Oh, hey, board filled with 15 brown gems. I'll just eat them all and gain 9 attack and 9 armor. Thanks!"

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duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

Grundulum posted:

You know what's awesome against Rock Worms? Treant. "Oh, hey, board filled with 15 brown gems. I'll just eat them all and gain 9 attack and 9 armor. Thanks!"

yeah, this is where the 50 gold "preview enemy team" thing would be useful if i cared enough to use that

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
If you enjoy rockworms, you'll really enjoy the new high level meta if you get to it before they change it. The Prismatic Orb is a hero weapon that creates 10 gems of a chosen ally's cover for 17 of any color mana. A lot of people run 3 identical units with Prismatic Orb hero.

Popular choices are:
Jarl Firemantle (do damage and create red/yellow, uses red/brown)
Venoxia (create green/blue and deal minor true damage to all plus gain attack, uses purple/green)
and even the lowly Skeleton (create skulls and gain attack plus extra turn, uses purple)

With Firemantle and Venoxia, it is not uncommon for the AI to get 4-5 turns in a row once they get rolling. The best way to combat it is a troop with mana drain since it is impossible to deny the Prismatic Orb of mana.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
Arrgh. Every time I get to 15-30,000 gold I think about upgrading one of two kingdoms (Khaziel because it's my home kingdom, Zhul'Kari for the attack bonus) from 7 to 8. But then I remember that if I could get *every* kingdom to level 7 I would have a greater chance of getting multi-kingdom tribute than I would of getting single-kingdom tribute. So I wind up bumping my lower-level kingdoms another couple of times.

I may not max out another kingdom (beyond Karakoth and Forest of Thorns) until I have everything at level 7. Of course, long before then I will have accumulated the 500 gems I need to buy the Dragon armor, which will speed things up slightly.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

Just downloaded this on XBone the other day and I'm looking for a guild. Invite code is DOLI_1.

PeePot
Dec 1, 2002


Grundulum posted:

Of course, long before then I will have accumulated the 500 gems I need to buy the Dragon armor, which will speed things up slightly.

I just hit 500 gems, is Dragon armor still worth buying or will the next patch make it obsolete?

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

PeePot posted:

I just hit 500 gems, is Dragon armor still worth buying or will the next patch make it obsolete?

Nobody knows right now. Before 1.0.7, souls were the endgame currency of choice, since you primarily gained kingdom levels by increasing troops to level 15. So I bought the Celestial Armor back then. Now, of course, souls are completely irrelevant towards kingdom levels. I am sure I will drop 500 gems on Dragon Armor the day before a video is released explaining that 1.0.8 will introduce a new currency with a new 500-gem armor that boosts it.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

grrarg posted:

If you enjoy rockworms, you'll really enjoy the new high level meta if you get to it before they change it. The Prismatic Orb is a hero weapon that creates 10 gems of a chosen ally's cover for 17 of any color mana. A lot of people run 3 identical units with Prismatic Orb hero.

Popular choices are:
Jarl Firemantle (do damage and create red/yellow, uses red/brown)
Venoxia (create green/blue and deal minor true damage to all plus gain attack, uses purple/green)
and even the lowly Skeleton (create skulls and gain attack plus extra turn, uses purple)

With Firemantle and Venoxia, it is not uncommon for the AI to get 4-5 turns in a row once they get rolling. The best way to combat it is a troop with mana drain since it is impossible to deny the Prismatic Orb of mana.

Welp:

quote:

Balance Changes

Prismatic Orb

*Mana cost increased from 17 to 20
*Gem creation no longer scales off Magic. Now creates 8 Gems.
*Spell now give an Armor Buff, which scales off Magic.

PeePot
Dec 1, 2002


Grundulum posted:

Nobody knows right now. Before 1.0.7, souls were the endgame currency of choice, since you primarily gained kingdom levels by increasing troops to level 15. So I bought the Celestial Armor back then. Now, of course, souls are completely irrelevant towards kingdom levels. I am sure I will drop 500 gems on Dragon Armor the day before a video is released explaining that 1.0.8 will introduce a new currency with a new 500-gem armor that boosts it.

If combining troops is coming that might make souls more important again.

That last patch making gold necessary for leveling up kingdoms, basically turned this into a single player game. Sorry Gem Blossums!

CoffeeQaddaffi
Mar 20, 2009

PeePot posted:

If combining troops is coming that might make souls more important again.

That last patch making gold necessary for leveling up kingdoms, basically turned this into a single player game. Sorry Gem Blossums!

You do know you get more gold being in a guild (dependent on Guild level), right?

Jibo
May 22, 2007

Bear Witness
College Slice

Coffeehitler posted:

You do know you get more gold being in a guild (dependent on Guild level), right?

I think the point is that no one is paying for guild tasks any more.

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
People will start donating again once their kingdoms are leveled. Improving tribute, getting bonus stats, and more mastery for mana surges is a way better return on your gold investment than a few maps, keys, and gems a week from guild tasks.

Dragon Armor will probably still be best after the patch if your kingdoms are not leveled. Do not underestimate the amount of free gems and keys you can get from multi-kingdom tribute. I've gotten 83 free keys in the week since I stopped using iron keys plus a bunch of gems.

DaveWoo posted:

Welp:

*Prismatic Orb nerf*
Good. My previous post was sarcastic if it wasn't clear. Like 75% of the teams I've defended against in the last week were 3x + Prismatic Orb. It was completely ridiculous. Even if you managed to somehow kill the first three enemy troops you were not safe. The Prismatic Orb could feed itself over and over until it got a 3 skull match.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
I dump most of my gold into the guild despite having half the kingdoms unlocked and sitting at level 3-5, because I make questionable decisions.

yolo

Tony Homo
Oct 30, 2014

by zen death robot

grrarg posted:

People will start donating again once their kingdoms are leveled. Improving tribute, getting bonus stats, and more mastery for mana surges is a way better return on your gold investment than a few maps, keys, and gems a week from guild tasks.

Dragon Armor will probably still be best after the patch if your kingdoms are not leveled. Do not underestimate the amount of free gems and keys you can get from multi-kingdom tribute. I've gotten 83 free keys in the week since I stopped using iron keys plus a bunch of gems.

Good. My previous post was sarcastic if it wasn't clear. Like 75% of the teams I've defended against in the last week were 3x + Prismatic Orb. It was completely ridiculous. Even if you managed to somehow kill the first three enemy troops you were not safe. The Prismatic Orb could feed itself over and over until it got a 3 skull match.

I am such a noob but does the prismatic orb go in the last position?

Davethulhu
Aug 12, 2003

Morbid Hound

Tony Homo posted:

I am such a noob but does the prismatic orb go in the last position?

I've only faced a few prismatic teams but yeah they were like 3 x rock worm and the 4th was a prismatic orb.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

Just created a guild on Xbox One: Goons in Platoons. Pm me if you'd like an invite

bagina
Jul 21, 2003


Oh shi...

Any thoughts on the new weapons for the week? I'm somewhat tempted.

CoffeeQaddaffi
Mar 20, 2009

bagina posted:

Any thoughts on the new weapons for the week? I'm somewhat tempted.

Xathenos is a repeat and pretty nice. The other one looks like it'll be nice in very specific circumstances, so get it if you can afford it.

Xathenos is one of the weapons I used to keep an eye out for in PVP because it was annoying as poo poo. Now you can just muscle through with Gobboes.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
On the one hand, now that people are contributing less to guild tasks, we get fewer gems/maps/etc. that way. On the other hand, now that it is inexpensive to upgrade all the kingdoms to a moderate degree, it's a lot easier to generate gems/keys/gold via tribute to make up for the loss. And I seem to be running a +300 glory per week surplus, even buying multiples of the troops when they are offered. So that is basically a week's worth of treasure maps from guild tasks.

Side note: do not use glory to buy souls! Buy a treasure map instead, and if you have half a brain you can get far more than 40 souls out of it; that's on top of the gold and other rewards.

keep it down up there!
Jun 22, 2006

How's it goin' eh?

Should I be saving up to max out 1 town with gold first, then work on the others? Or level a few up evenly. Not sure what the most efficient use of my gold is there.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
Personally, I would open up all the kingdoms and get them to level 2 before advancing any further. Karakoth is the most important kingdom to get to 10 because its bonus is +1 magic; it is the only +magic bonus right now, though I would bet the next kingdom will be +magic also. Going evenly gives you a *much* better chance of gem/key multi-tributes, though. I blitzed Karakoth with most of my kingdoms at 2 or 3, then got everything up to 5 (I think).

Bandire
Jul 12, 2002

a rabid potato

Grundulum posted:

Personally, I would open up all the kingdoms and get them to level 2 before advancing any further. Karakoth is the most important kingdom to get to 10 because its bonus is +1 magic; it is the only +magic bonus right now, though I would bet the next kingdom will be +magic also. Going evenly gives you a *much* better chance of gem/key multi-tributes, though. I blitzed Karakoth with most of my kingdoms at 2 or 3, then got everything up to 5 (I think).

Good advice here. For someone starting now, definitely unlock all kingdoms first and get them to level 2 immediately after unlocking.

What to do after that is a preference. Karakoth is the most important to max out first, but you can get all kingdoms to 5 for about the same cost as maxing one. Getting multi-kingdom tributes rolling in really helps feed everything else.

And I still think buying Dragon Armor is a pretty safe investment. Gems are fairly easy to come by once you have your kingdoms leveled up.

Also, the first part 1.08 patch preview is up regarding keys and chests. It's video only and I'm stuck on a useless conference call at work. :negative: http://gemsofwar.com/1-0-8-preview-part-1-chests-and-keys/

CoffeeQaddaffi
Mar 20, 2009
Very basically:

There are 5 types of chest, with varying costs from gold to increasing amounts of gems. One item per chest, be it a troop, resource, or currency.

Keys will turn into 3 keys; 1 iron key will turn into 1 Glory key and 2 Gold keys, and magic keys will turn into 1 Gem Key and 2 Gold keys.

Davethulhu
Aug 12, 2003

Morbid Hound

Coffeehitler posted:

Very basically:

There are 5 types of chest, with varying costs from gold to increasing amounts of gems. One item per chest, be it a troop, resource, or currency.

Keys will turn into 3 keys; 1 iron key will turn into 1 Glory key and 2 Gold keys, and magic keys will turn into 1 Gem Key and 2 Gold keys.

To expand a little, there will be 5 classes of keys: Gold, Glory, Gem, Event, VIP

Each key gives you one item now, instead of 3.
Gold is common
Glory is guaranteed rare
Gem is guaranteed ultra-rare
Event is focused on the weekly event kingdom
VIP is a ~mystery~

I think you can still pull a legendary from a gold key, with better odds using higher level keys
The crafting items are called "traitstones" but nothing is explained as to how they work.

It seems to me that unless you a new player, your best bet is to hold your keys.

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.

BUGS OF SPRING posted:

Should I be saving up to max out 1 town with gold first, then work on the others? Or level a few up evenly. Not sure what the most efficient use of my gold is there.
The most efficient would be to level all 19 kingdoms evenly to 5 or 6 to increase tribute chance. Like everyone else said, Karakoth is the best to get to 10 after that, followed by the +attack kingdoms then +health and finally +armor.

Here's the video embed for the at-work crew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAh-Kf8Cfqw
I like the key changes. I noticed they have changed the map in 1.08. Kingdoms have star ratings in addition to the 1-10 level. I wonder if they are making completing the challenges and leveling up troops relevant again.

CoffeeQaddaffi
Mar 20, 2009

Davethulhu posted:

I think you can still pull a legendary from a gold key, with better odds using higher level keys

It actually looks like the Glory chests are the first ones that they're mentioned in, so I'd be surprised if the Gold chests will drop Legendary Troops. I like that the chests are moving away from keys because eventually, keys are just wildly random amounts of souls.

Bandire
Jul 12, 2002

a rabid potato

grrarg posted:

The most efficient would be to level all 19 kingdoms evenly to 5 or 6 to increase tribute chance. Like everyone else said, Karakoth is the best to get to 10 after that, followed by the +attack kingdoms then +health and finally +armor.

Here's the video embed for the at-work crew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAh-Kf8Cfqw
I like the key changes. I noticed they have changed the map in 1.08. Kingdoms have star ratings in addition to the 1-10 level. I wonder if they are making completing the challenges and leveling up troops relevant again.

It would be nice if story mode and challenges were relevant again. I finished the challenges in all but a couple kingdoms before 1.07 dropped.

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.

Coffeehitler posted:

It actually looks like the Glory chests are the first ones that they're mentioned in, so I'd be surprised if the Gold chests will drop Legendary Troops. I like that the chests are moving away from keys because eventually, keys are just wildly random amounts of souls.
Yeah if you notice in the video Gold chests say "Common and Rare troops" while Glory and Gem chests say "*rarity* or better troops."

A few other things from that video:

Possibly a new armor type. The QA character has 2x exp, 2.5x souls, and 3x gold. Plus there is a number on an armor icon next to it.

The slime at 2:57 is level 20.

The VIP chest is interesting. It says "win one of the following 3 prizes." Having a guaranteed way to get a specific card could be a good moneymaker for them. The game has the most generous F2P scheme. I will probably throw some money at them after the patch.

keep it down up there!
Jun 22, 2006

How's it goin' eh?

Thanks for the advice everyone. Leveling each Kingdom evenly till 5 it is!
I didn't even realize max kingdoms gave different bonus's so thats good news as well.

Davethulhu
Aug 12, 2003

Morbid Hound

grrarg posted:

Yeah if you notice in the video Gold chests say "Common and Rare troops" while Glory and Gem chests say "*rarity* or better troops."

Yeah, I think you're correct.

Edit: also to add to your armor observation, I think that at this point it's a good idea to hold onto gems and glory as much as possible as well as keys.

Davethulhu fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Dec 8, 2015

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
You should hold onto maps too. A dev posted they increased some of the values in addition to changing the key rewards to match the new system.

And a new kingdom is out.

quote:

To the southeast, the clouds have parted, revealing the Isle of Darkstone!
Once a shining beacon in the Elder Sea, the Lords of Darkstone came under the influence of Daemons, and their once-mighty citadel fell into ruin. Soon it was a haven for smugglers and brigands, keen to sample the delights that the Daemonic overlords of Darkstone could offer. It wasn’t long before the inhabitants became known for peddling illicit goods and human flesh, and their dark-sailed galleons were feared throughout Southern Krystara.

Get ready for a new quest, troops, and challenges on the corrupt Isle of Darkstone.

Be careful not to fall to the same fate as its inhabitants…

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

grrarg posted:

You should hold onto maps too. A dev posted they increased some of the values in addition to changing the key rewards to match the new system.

And a new kingdom is out.

Well, now I feel less bad about spending 900 glory on however many maps immediately before seeing the post about holding on to glory.

BigBadTeaBag
Feb 4, 2005
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Just started this game, looking to join a goon guild if there are any open spots.

Invite code = BALLS_4

Tony Homo
Oct 30, 2014

by zen death robot
Just got an error for a corrupted file and need to delete and redownload the game. I hope I keep my stuff. Anyone ever had to re download the game?

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


Tony Homo posted:

Just got an error for a corrupted file and need to delete and redownload the game. I hope I keep my stuff. Anyone ever had to re download the game?
I haven't had to redownload but I did use the password thing to link the account between Steam, a tablet and a phone. If you have set that up and saved that password somewhere else you should be able to just link it again. If not I guess at least set that up now.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

CrashCat posted:

I haven't had to redownload but I did use the password thing to link the account between Steam, a tablet and a phone. If you have set that up and saved that password somewhere else you should be able to just link it again. If not I guess at least set that up now.



I have had to re-download my game, and this is incredibly good advice.

:siren: Everyone should immediately go set up account sharing on their device of choice :siren:

Even if you never use a different device, the password/code you get is used to link your old account to the new game files in the event that you need to delete the game and re-download it. On the bright side, 505 was very helpful when I informed them that a guild leader was locked out of his account; got it sorted in less than a business day.

Tony Homo
Oct 30, 2014

by zen death robot
Their restore made me lose half my levels. Not sure if I'm gonna regrind it since I'm so freaking pissed. All my purchases are gone and am guildless at level 22. Hopefully my follow up email will give me a solution. Cross your fingers

Tony Homo fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Dec 10, 2015

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
So about that multi-tribute...

More confirmation that tribute gems cap out at 20.

keeper
Jun 5, 2002
Hate that I started another one of these but it's lasted over a week... Invite code: keepersa_1 if there's an opening

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Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
Butzki and zozo, you both showed 40+ days of inactivity. I have unceremoniously booted you from Gem Blossums. If you're somehow still playing, let me know and I will boot another player with more than a month since last login, making room for you to rejoin.


BigBadTeaBag posted:

Just started this game, looking to join a goon guild if there are any open spots.

Invite code = BALLS_4

Tried to invite you, but you're already in a guild.

keeper posted:

Hate that I started another one of these but it's lasted over a week... Invite code: keepersa_1 if there's an opening

Invite sent.

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