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The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

Tezzor posted:

the saurus successfully discovers that workers with relevant skills find it easier to obtain employment

Isn't this against the ethos of socialism?

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Sheng-Ji Yang: Mar 5, 2014

goatse.cx posted:

Solidarnosc had more or less soured me on the idea of self-organizing workers independently bringing about socialism, unfortunately

solidarity was a cia op

# ? Mar 8, 2016 05:23

oystertoadfish: Jun 17, 2003

once i answered a quiz bowl question where the answer was, you know, that group, by saying 'solidarnosc' and they ruled me wrong and said the answer was 'solidarity'

if i had had a little more experience i would have screamed ~~J'ACCUSE~~PROTEST and corrected the injustice but i was only a freshman

the injustice pains me to this day

# ? Mar 8, 2016 05:24

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

goatse.cx posted:

Solidarnosc had more or less soured me on the idea of self-organizing workers independently bringing about socialism, unfortunately

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

solidarity was a cia op

ayup

# ? Mar 8, 2016 06:20

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

oystertoadfish posted:

once i answered a quiz bowl question where the answer was, you know, that group, by saying 'solidarnosc' and they ruled me wrong and said the answer was 'solidarity'

if i had had a little more experience i would have screamed ~~J'ACCUSE~~PROTEST and corrected the injustice but i was only a freshman

the injustice pains me to this day

I've had this happen with being expected to pronounce "Zwoty" as "Zlotee" because gently caress Slavic pronunciation of words.

# ? Mar 8, 2016 07:03

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

The Saurus posted:

Isn't this against the ethos of socialism?

I don't think technically, but it's definitely a leftist idea that everyone should be able to achieve an income one way or another.

# ? Mar 8, 2016 10:01

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO: May 8, 2006

Big ups to PSL and ANSWER in Chicago!

And all the other comrades doing good work too lol

# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:16

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO: May 8, 2006

ALSO: you dont have to be a communist to help support the legal defense funds of arrested anti-trump protesters

# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:36

Wheeee: Mar 11, 2001; When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

leftism is dead in the water until a future generation stops fetishizing the trappings of a century-old failed authoritarian regime

# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:48

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO: May 8, 2006

Thanks for posting.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:53

Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

Wheeee posted:

leftism is dead in the water until a future generation stops fetishizing the trappings of a century-old failed authoritarian regime

The only things dead in the water are the Syrian refugees trying to escape the imperialist violence that has enveloped their nation as a result of liberals comparing peripheral nations to "century-old failed authoritarian regimes"

# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:53

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

don't kinkshame

# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:57

Wheeee: Mar 11, 2001; When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Lenin was pretty cool and Bolshevik propaganda owned but that stuff is never going to shake off a century's worth of Western propaganda attacks

# ? Mar 12, 2016 08:06

goatse.cx: Nov 21, 2013

Wheeee posted:

Lenin was pretty cool and Bolshevik propaganda owned but that stuff is never going to shake off a century's worth of Western propaganda attacks

yeah i see what you're saying and i kinda agree but it seems that as long as you're honest about your aims of bringing about socialism you're gonna get redbaited regardless

# ? Mar 12, 2016 10:24

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

Instead of protesting shutting down a political rally for disaffected working class people who disagree with them.

Leftists should be forming revolutionary soup kitchens and community aid programs.

When I wanted to volunteer at a soup kitchen I had to find a church and I was like an hour from NYC. The only secular/politically motivated one I could find was some bitch rear end vegan anarchist bullshit.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 10:32

Wheeee: Mar 11, 2001; When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

listen pal, i didn't sign up to be Comrade Soup Cook, i signed up to be Comrade Lenin

# ? Mar 12, 2016 10:44

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

Even fascists like Golden Dawn understand this poo poo.

Then the police go in with riot gear and tear gas and break up actual soup kitchens and the state looks awful as gently caress while the hungry people get mad as hell and more receptive to your message.

Alternatively the police don't attack you and you get to do some actual good for your community and help feed the hungry, while distributing leftist pamphlets and whatever, creating a whole support network outside of the state apparatus.

Warning: Close proximity to the working class may drastically lower levels of idealism.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 10:54

a god damn idiot: Sep 7, 2006

It's a shame communists can only either run soup kitchens or show up to one time events. It's a real downer how they can't do both. I just wish here was a way to do more than one thing you know?

gently caress off out of here.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 15:58

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

In actuality they do neither and spend most of their time posting online.

Seriously, try and find one single example of leftist groups or organizations providing aid directly to the working class in the United States.

That would be a far better use of time and resources than a meaningless self-masturbatory Presidential run.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 16:06

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

The Saurus posted:

In actuality they do neither and spend most of their time posting online.

Seriously, try and find one single example of leftist groups or organizations providing aid directly to the working class in the United States.

That would be a far better use of time and resources than a meaningless self-masturbatory Presidential run.

Food not Bombs
your turn

# ? Mar 12, 2016 16:12

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

Food not Bombs
your turn

They're the vegans I mentioned in my first post.

But they're not communist or socialist groups using it as an opportunity to spread socialism, which was my point about what parties like golden dawn are doing.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 16:17

a god damn idiot: Sep 7, 2006

The Saurus posted:

In actuality they do neither and spend most of their time posting online.

Seriously, try and find one single example of leftist groups or organizations providing aid directly to the working class in the United States.

That would be a far better use of time and resources than a meaningless self-masturbatory Presidential run.

You probably couldn't even name a socialist group active in your area and now you know the full scope of their activities? Newspapers don't publish stories about communists running soup kitchens. They don't post stories about squats being setup to help house the homeless in areas where local government regulation and intransigence means there is no help available. These things and more are happening right now and just because your world doesn't intersect with it doesn't mean it's not there.

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R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

The Saurus posted:

Instead of protesting shutting down a political rally for disaffected working class people who disagree with them.

Leftists should be forming revolutionary soup kitchens and community aid programs.

When I wanted to volunteer at a soup kitchen I had to find a church and I was like an hour from NYC. The only secular/politically motivated one I could find was some bitch rear end vegan anarchist bullshit.

in addition to the aforementioned point re: doing more than one thing at once, this might be tricky for you, saurus. i hear some of those folks speak spanish

The Saurus posted:

In actuality they do neither and spend most of their time posting online.

Seriously, try and find one single example of leftist groups or organizations providing aid directly to the working class in the United States.

That would be a far better use of time and resources than a meaningless self-masturbatory Presidential run.

one example is the subject of this very thread!

# ? Mar 12, 2016 16:29

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

Yes it is truly a mystery why leftist groups would be interested in shutting down a reactionary rally. Leftists should follow Greece's example, where leftist groups totally ignored the Golden Dawn, and never had any confrontations with them.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 18:06

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

The Saurus posted:

They're the vegans I mentioned in my first post.

But they're not communist or socialist groups using it as an opportunity to spread socialism, which was my point about what parties like golden dawn are doing.

where will the goalposts go next? follow the Saurus on his exciting trip and find out!

# ? Mar 12, 2016 18:10

Bernice Anders: Feb 26, 2016; by zen death robot

DrProsek posted:

Yes it is truly a mystery why leftist groups would be interested in shutting down a reactionary rally. Leftists should follow Greece's example, where leftist groups totally ignored the Golden Dawn, and never had any confrontations with them.

Golden Don

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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO: May 8, 2006

Bernice Anders posted:

Golden Don

lol

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The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

where will the goalposts go next? follow the Saurus on his exciting trip and find out!

I'm just a bit annoyed that when I wanted to help the poor and needy I had to do it under the auspices of some religious bullshit (I would have actually volunteered for Food Not Bombs, but it was just too far away geographically. It still comes across as kindof a bourgeois hipster group to me)

DrProsek posted:

Yes it is truly a mystery why leftist groups would be interested in shutting down a reactionary rally. Leftists should follow Greece's example, where leftist groups totally ignored the Golden Dawn, and never had any confrontations with them.

Donald J. Trump, the moderate Republican candidate for President and literal neo Nazis Golden Dawn are not politically comparable. But then again this thread IS full of people who support genocides and massacres because it was done by someone waving a hammer-and-sickle flag.

The Saurus fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Mar 12, 2016

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GunnerJ: Aug 1, 2005; Do you think this is funny?

The Saurus posted:

Donald J. Trump, the moderate Republican candidate for President

OK, good troll.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 20:32

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

GunnerJ posted:

OK, good troll.

wrt to working class interests the choices this election go bernie > trump > shilldog > other repubs

# ? Mar 12, 2016 20:54

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

By the way, the Communist Party of Britain is against mass immigration due to the effect it has on working class solidarity, wages and conditions while still steadfastly opposing any and all racist/racialist immigration policies throughout its history (The EU is essentially freedom of movement for whites only). It's a sensible policy that I back wholeheartedly while still supporting international solidarity with comrades abroad.

# ? Mar 12, 2016 21:03

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

this is absolutely outstanding. a good analysis of modern russia and a nice primer on imperialism as marxists define it.

Renfrey Clarke and Roger Annis posted:

Imperialism has evolved a great deal since Lenin�s time, but it is remarkable how apposite his analysis remains. While specific forms have changed, each of the key underlying features noted by the Bolshevik leader is still very much in place. The �international monopolist capitalist associations� of Lenin�s time � the cartels and trusts � have morphed into multinational mega-corporations and their policing agencies, the IMF, World Bank and WTO. The colonial empires have vanished in formal terms, but their essence persists in mechanisms aimed at reinforcing stark global inequalities of power and wealth that are immensely profitable for the global centre. These mechanisms of post-colonial robbery and oppression include the direct remittance of profits by imperialist-owned enterprises; debt dependency; constant political meddling by the centre; and when other methods fail, trade embargos and armed coercion.

A further �value siphon� was implicit in the difference between the massive capital investment in the factories of the centre and the much lower capitalisation usual for the farms, plantations and other enterprises of the periphery. Between centre and periphery, the gap in labour productivity was huge. In exchanging their raw materials for manufactured goods, the colonies and semi-colonies in effect exchanged large quantities of labour power, and hence value, for much smaller amounts. The industrialists of the centre, despite paying comparatively high wages at home, profited handsomely. Capital accumulation took place overwhelmingly in the countries of the centre, while the periphery remained poor.

By far the dominant military power in the European region � and indeed, the world � consists of the 28 member states of NATO. In their combined 2014 �defence� spending, NATO members outstripped China by a factor of about 4.4, and Russia by more than ten to one. True, a dollar in low-wage Russia buys more military potential than in Western Europe or the U.S. But if an appropriate adjustment is made, the difference is still arguably at least five to one.

In the decades since the Soviet Union expired, NATO has been expanded to the point where Russia now faces an arc of U.S.-aligned states, on or near its borders, from Turkey to the Gulf of Finland. Anyone who accepts the existence of imperialism ought to concede that as an economically vulnerable country � and as the object of unsubtle armed threats from the world�s most potent military bloc � Russia is entitled to assign relatively large resources to its self-defence.

In imperialist economies, high labour productivity is underpinned by developed education, health and social security systems. Neo-liberalism in recent decades has seen these systems come under relentless attack, but they remain a distinctive feature of advanced capitalism.

In Russia, social provisions have deteriorated markedly since Soviet times. The country continues to turn out impressive numbers of highly-trained personnel, but spending on education is now well below average OECD levels, both in absolute terms per capita and as a proportion of GDP. Gross spending on research and development fell from two per cent of GDP in 1990 to an essentially developing-world figure of one per cent in 2008, before recovering to 1.5 per cent in 2013. The latter figure compares with 2.8 per cent in the U.S. and Germany, and 3.4 per cent in Japan.

Russia is not home to an advanced capitalism, or to a broad, prosperous middle class. Its monopolies tend to be puny alongside those of various countries that are clearly part of the semi-periphery, let alone the corporate monsters of the imperialist centre. Russian industrial production has lost much of its past diversity, and its overall technical level is decidedly backward, while in a pattern reminiscent of the least developed areas of the periphery, the extractive sector accounts for a notably large share of output. Russia�s foreign trade has a markedly dependent character, and the country exports mainly basic commodities for which prices are often depressed. Conducting little trade with poorer areas of the periphery, Russia does not benefit significantly from unequal trading exchange. There is no overall surplus of capital in Russia, and while the country nonetheless exports capital, this is for perverse reasons and despite a near-catastrophic lack of investment in infrastructure and productive plant.

If a country uses its armed strength to meddle in affairs outside its borders, doesn�t that make it imperialist per se?

The trouble with that line of argument is that it quickly leads to truly bizarre conclusions. Many wars have been fought in the past half-century between countries of the periphery, and if we categorise Russia as imperialist simply on the basis that it has made armed incursions into nearby countries, then logically we should also speak of Pakistani imperialism, or Iraqi imperialism, or even, in recent times, of Sudanese imperialism.

If we categorise as imperialist countries that are clearly part of the developing world, how are we to explain the gulf between the global rich and poor? Used in this impressionistic, essentially liberal fashion, the term �imperialism� loses all potential as a tool for analysis. Understanding the nature and dynamics of present-day world capitalism then becomes impossible.

# ? Mar 13, 2016 00:28

Wheeee: Mar 11, 2001; When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

what's up with Marxists writing so many loving words, why can't they just upload youtube videos like more modern and sophisticated philosophers

# ? Mar 13, 2016 00:38

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

i take it you've yet to be introduced to maoist rebel news

# ? Mar 13, 2016 00:40

Wheeee: Mar 11, 2001; When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Homework Explainer posted:

i take it you've yet to be introduced to maoist rebel news

holy poo poo lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHki1PzBMY

# ? Mar 13, 2016 00:49

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Wheeee posted:

holy poo poo lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHki1PzBMY

yessssssssss

# ? Mar 13, 2016 01:01

Bob le Moche: Jul 10, 2011; I AM A HORRIBLE TANKIE MORON
WHO LONGS TO SUCK CHAVISTA COCK !

I SUGGEST YOU IGNORE ANY POSTS MADE BY THIS PERSON ABOUT VENEZUELA, POLITICS, OR ANYTHING ACTUALLY !

(This title paid for by money stolen from PDVSA)

seriously though we need actual marxist youtuber youths if only so that this guy isn't the first thing that comes up when people type marxist words in the youtube searchbox

# ? Mar 13, 2016 01:29

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

Wheeee posted:

holy poo poo lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHki1PzBMY

Once talked to some internet stalinists who yelled at me for fatshaming :lol:

# ? Mar 13, 2016 01:45

Wheeee: Mar 11, 2001; When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Bob le Moche posted:

seriously though we need actual marxist youtuber youths if only so that this guy isn't the first thing that comes up when people type marxist words in the youtube searchbox

i don't think that would do much good, the fact is that the ideologies which spread effectively through simplistic youtube rants and short-form articles written at a grade-school level, such as right-libertarianism, do so because they are fundamentally manufactured ideologies which were created to reinforce the extant status quo, making them feel intuitively true to people who grew up within the same culture

Marxism, broadly, is an academic approach to political philosophy and ideology which is counter-intuitive to most people, necessitating a level of intellectual curiosity and investment that most people are unwilling or incapable of making.

trying to sell Marxism with the same shallow soundbites that right-libertarians have successfully used only results in recruiting idiots who think posting Lenin memes and pictures of the Soviet flag makes them Communists

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goatse.cx: Nov 21, 2013

Wheeee posted:

what's up with Marxists writing so many loving words, why can't they just upload youtube videos like more modern and sophisticated philosophers

got you covered, comrade

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