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Impermanent posted:big ups to larry website for trying to push the NPC discussion of how to replace the NPC vacancy to a confidential side-conversation instead of the open NPC meeting that's accessible to the rank-and-file. way to promote buy-in from the membership. lol can i still stand by my statement that the npc is garbage?
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Ace of Baes posted:everyone who needs to be added to op quote this with your state, I'm busy and lazy but I'll add y'all later tonight OK
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Cops literally infiltrated the meetings of anti-war Quakers and the SEIU within the past ten years. There's not much you can do to stop it at open meetings, it's just something you keep in mind. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/07/nation/na-cop-spy7 https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/the-watchdogs-spy-cops-chicago-police-routinely-spied-on-protesters/
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hi eric garland was saying yall get paid in bitcoins and vodka if yes how join? @crasscrab on twitter if you wanna add me to a list also Ace of Baes posted:everyone who needs to be added to op quote this with your state, I'm busy and lazy but I'll add y'all later tonight fl
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Atrocious Joe posted:Cops literally infiltrated the meetings of anti-war Quakers and the SEIU within the past ten years. yeah I guess that's more what I mean - if you organize openly then there's really nothing you can do, what does opsec mean in practice? don't make facebook events or publish what you're doing? secret meetings in an organization where people demand accountability?
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Atrocious Joe posted:There's not much you can do to stop it at open meetings, it's just something you keep in mind. if none of us go then the only people at the meeting are cops
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Karl Barks posted:what exactly are cops going to do if they "infiltrate" DSA? this is not antifa, we are not doing anything that could be considered illegal breed division to sabotage the org
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whoever made danny's linkedin was some sort of sabotage, either from another left group or cops
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Protecting your member's contact info from doxxers by having very good security about the info you collect and advising them to use more secure channels is something practical one can do. If you are planning direct action, keep it isolated and separated in organizer chains. Most groups that do that sort of thing already know what they're doing so its easy to plug in if you know somebody. Even a chapter as small as Green Country's has had some recent attempts to doxx and collect info from us, so it's good to be vigilant. There are a few fascists in town that are really incensed we're doing active action against them and doxxed them so, but it was all through face-to-face poo poo.
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Karl Barks posted:i just don't think with the way DSA is structured and the activities they perform, they'll be able to do much harm other than gather information on people. i don't know where DSA will be in several years tho. given the membership rates, if there is going to be a cop in the org, they probably already exist if my predictions hold true then by 2020 we'll all be cops
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someone is gonna craft a resolution banning law enforcement from the DSA at the next convention and we're gonna have to go through this whole thing again
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Karl Barks posted:i just don't think with the way DSA is structured and the activities they perform, they'll be able to do much harm other than gather information on people. i don't know where DSA will be in several years tho. given the membership rates, if there is going to be a cop in the org, they probably already exist Atrocious Joe posted:Cops literally infiltrated the meetings of anti-war Quakers and the SEIU within the past ten years. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 05:53 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Last meeting we had an old guy that's a long time democratic activist here in town put up a recording device on the meeting. We asked him to stop, but some were pretty sure he was still recording things in like a voice memo type thing. While we're sure he's not a cop, making sure all recording/documentation was consensual at meetings or official function was one of the first things we added to our draft for a Code of Conduct.
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Ace of Baes posted:everyone who needs to be added to op quote this with your state, I'm busy and lazy but I'll add y'all later tonight NY
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/01/could-americas-socialists-become-the-tea-party-of-the-left-215661 oh poo poo motherfuckers, buried in here is that dsa got 29,000 dues-paying members now.
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fermun posted:http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/01/could-americas-socialists-become-the-tea-party-of-the-left-215661 good article
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Syndlig posted:lol can i still stand by my statement that the npc is garbage? Actually praxis and unity members grumbled at this until an old ( I forget her name) pointed out that this was against the by laws so they couldn't do it. Trust the process indeed.
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Karl Barks posted:what exactly are cops going to do if they "infiltrate" DSA? this is not antifa, we are not doing anything that could be considered illegal
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Legality isn't a concern whenever the security state 'deals' with leftists. That only ever matters when protecting things like offshore bank accounts of rich people from prosecution. For politically motivated suppression, especially against the left, its 'anything you can get away with is okay'.
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can't wait to get owned by huac2
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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:Last meeting we had an old guy that's a long time democratic activist here in town put up a recording device on the meeting. We asked him to stop, but some were pretty sure he was still recording things in like a voice memo type thing. Unless you live in a two party state its kind of a pointless gesture
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safely sodomized posted:whoever made danny's linkedin was some sort of sabotage, either from another left group or cops From what we know now, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an Austin DSA member who knew he would have a meltdown if anyone questioned him about it.
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Ace of Baes posted:everyone who needs to be added to op quote this with your state, I'm busy and lazy but I'll add y'all later tonight NH
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Goon Danton posted:From what we know now, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an Austin DSA member who knew he would have a meltdown if anyone questioned him about it. yeah thats also possible
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Ace of Baes posted:everyone who needs to be added to op quote this with your state, I'm busy and lazy but I'll add y'all later tonight I was asleep already, but MI.
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Ace of Baes posted:everyone who needs to be added to op quote this with your state, I'm busy and lazy but I'll add y'all later tonight Non-NYC NY
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Ace of Baes posted:everyone who needs to be added to op quote this with your state, I'm busy and lazy but I'll add y'all later tonight DC
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Larry Parrish posted:Unless you live in a two party state its kind of a pointless gesture What does being a two party state have to do with privacy of members?
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If the LinkedIn thing was a cop thing, it was a pretty stupid cop thing since the outcome seemed to have strengthened the DSA. Which makes me think it wasn't a cop thing. Probably others in DSA. But I'm betting on Trot comedy option because that's funniest to me.
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I actually ran into a group of Trotskyists for this thing and it was kinda like this honestly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_EVtdF4xeQ
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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:What does being a two party state have to do with privacy of members? two-party consent, where both parties need to consent to be recorded. a bunch of states (Texas being one of them) are single-party consent, meaning only the recording party needs to consent to being recorded, and doesn't have to inform others.
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rudatron posted:Legality isn't a concern whenever the security state 'deals' with leftists. That only ever matters when protecting things like offshore bank accounts of rich people from prosecution. For politically motivated suppression, especially against the left, its 'anything you can get away with is okay'. let me rephrase, i'm not sure what DSA is supposed to do about this problem. I think becoming paranoid and closing up meetings and events is not the answer. I work in the communications side of my chapter, and it's something i struggle with with other members frequently - see the wiki page i mentioned earlier. i think it's important for (specifically) the DSA to be an open and transparent org. i'm not naive to what cops could try to do, i just think heavy handed responses are a waste of time
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Ace of Baes posted:everyone who needs to be added to op quote this with your state, I'm busy and lazy but I'll add y'all later tonight COP
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Shipped 5 buttons to someone in Texas yesterday. 
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Karl Barks posted:let me rephrase, i'm not sure what DSA is supposed to do about this problem. I think becoming paranoid and closing up meetings and events is not the answer. I work in the communications side of my chapter, and it's something i struggle with with other members frequently - see the wiki page i mentioned earlier. i think it's important for (specifically) the DSA to be an open and transparent org. There is a place for opsec but I think a lot of it is a combination of grandiosity and a desire to be in a secret club
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OhFunny posted:Shipped 5 buttons to someone in Texas yesterday. revolution when?
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Syndlig posted:two-party consent, where both parties need to consent to be recorded. a bunch of states (Texas being one of them) are single-party consent, meaning only the recording party needs to consent to being recorded, and doesn't have to inform others. Isn't that why having bylaws about it important? It's not to threaten legal action but set a precedent in the org itself like any code of conduct style policy.
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Enjoy posted:http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1156789523 hoi4 owners: bring about the glory of posadism
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