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Heti posted:I was just rewatching an old episode (Feudal Lord's Ambition) and Arino walks right by an Incredible Crisis arcade machine. I keep bringing up that game because I want him to play it so bad. I finally saw a Derby Owners Club machine in one of the recently-subbed eps and of course Arino didn't play it. I'm dying to know what he'd name his horse. e: I'm hoping for SEX. SEX the horse.
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Vlaphor posted:Thanks for all the excellent translation (and localization) work everyone. Also, these episodes made me realize what an utter technical marvel Yoshi's Island was. Pretty much everything that had been developed over the lifespan of the SNES all went into one game. Polygons, sprite-transformation and scaling, 3d rendered graphics, it did it all.  -style effect from touching the fuzzies), but the bright colors and crayon drawn look still holds up really well.It makes me sad that I never really loved the game back when it was new (I think it was how different it was from previous Mario games that didn't sit well with young me), because I can really appreciate it's awesomeness now. 
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Feb 4, 2013 12:17
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One of the rumours/myths surrounding the development of Yoshi's Island is that Miyamoto was being pressured by higher-ups within Nintendo to use CGI graphics in order to capitalise off the success of Donkey Kong Country, but he so disliked this idea that he deliberately pushed in the other direction and did the visuals in that distinctive faux-crayon style. I guess that plays into the wider legend that Miyamoto didn't like DKC and resented its success, which I believe was started by some magazine printing a quote where he allegedly said "people will settle for a mediocre game if the graphics are good" or something similar, in reference to DKC.
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Feb 4, 2013 13:02
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Yeah, I've heard that rumour too. "Look at how good Rare can make their games look. Why can't you be more like your big brother Rare?" Probably not those exact words, but Yamauchi was still in charge (and still batshit insane) so who knows.
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Feb 4, 2013 13:43
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Col. Roy Campbell posted:All I noticed was that the other guy had Kamek say "poo poo" which I only remembered since it was so jarring. I mean, I'm no prude but I've never seen the language get above a "drat."
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Feb 4, 2013 14:12
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Barcode Battlers is so awesome I just don't understand---probably my favorite of the recent corners almost up there with Catch a Catch Copy. Amazing how from season to season they tend to just utterly nail these sideline corners and segments.
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Feb 4, 2013 14:30
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kirbysuperstar posted:Yeah, I've heard that rumour too. "Look at how good Rare can make their games look. Why can't you be more like your big brother Rare?" The story is printed as fact in Jeff Ryan's Super Mario: How Nintendo Conquered America. ExiledTinkerer posted:Barcode Battlers is so awesome I just don't understand---probably my favorite of the recent corners almost up there with Catch a Catch Copy. I think National Treasure of the Famicom Age wasn't a very good segment. It's just an excuse for Arino to riff on elderly people and the goofy game titles they come up with but there isn't a lot to it. Similarly I didn't like the Retro-Read-Along. if the show follows recent patterns I probably won't like whatever they come up with for the first half of season 17.
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Feb 4, 2013 15:08
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Hirayuki posted:"Kuso" is a typical mild expletive in Japan used by middle-aged men (including Arino; listen for it). It literally means "poo poo" but is as mild as "dammit", which is how SA-GCCX translates it. Some translators get excited over being able to swear, especially in video games ("I'm not embellishing, I swear--that's what he said!") and translate it too literally. Translating swears from japanese is haaaaaard. Half the most common insults are just less polite forms of you, and translating something as you you doesn't work very well... of course, you never go full kisama.  <- by Magenta who was working for TV-N, as a joke <- also a joke <- actual TV-N subtitles.
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Feb 4, 2013 15:14
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I think I laughed way too hard at Arino mocking that poor arcade owner's weird inflection. That guy was like the Japanese Ulillillia. "These other games have the really good music, if you know what I mean."
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Feb 4, 2013 15:57
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Hirayuki posted:"Kuso" is a typical mild expletive in Japan used by middle-aged men (including Arino; listen for it). It literally means "poo poo" but is as mild as "dammit", which is how SA-GCCX translates it. I think a better middle-ground would probably be 'Crap'. Same meaning, same milder TV-friendly usage.
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KoldPT posted:
Okay I literally JUST watched Zeta and I have no clue what those words would be. Ninja edit: Okay rereading I THINK 'yatsu' is Mobile Suit but ya this be dumb.
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Feb 4, 2013 17:11
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TheWanderingNewbie posted:Okay I literally JUST watched Zeta and I have no clue what those words would be. There was also Ryuki where they said something about a guy being a Kohai and the translator note was "Kohai = Opposite of Sempai". It was laughably bad.
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Feb 4, 2013 17:18
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You can't talk about terrible loving subs without posting the all time classic: TheWanderingNewbie posted:Ninja edit: Okay rereading I THINK 'yatsu' is Mobile Suit but ya this be dumb. 
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Feb 4, 2013 17:30
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jyrque posted:The game's easy and short though, not sure if it would make a decent full episode. That said, I'd also like to see him play it, especially to see Arino's reaction to the ferris wheel scene. What kind of monster are you that that game is easy? It'd take him an hour just to beat the first timing minigame.
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Feb 4, 2013 17:36
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All I got to contribute to this discussion is that tons of recent re-releases of classic games have convinced me that literalist translations are always inferior to natural-sounding ones where sentences make sense.
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Feb 4, 2013 17:40
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TheWanderingNewbie posted:Ninja edit: Okay rereading I THINK 'yatsu' is Mobile Suit but ya this be dumb. I think yatsu is something like "that guy" and kisama is close to "you rear end in a top hat/bastard". And now I'm waiting for someone who has perfect japanese understanding to tell me how far off I was.
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Feb 4, 2013 17:44
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Dominic White posted:I think a better middle-ground would probably be 'Crap'. Same meaning, same milder TV-friendly usage. Well if we're still talking about what Kamek says in Yoshi's Island, "poop" (like in the SA Team version) would be the most accurate for the game. Because it's being used in reference to, you know, poop. And it'd be weird for people outside of Japan if they thought Yoshi's Island had strong swear words in the Japanese version. Otherwise yeah, Arino is basically saying "Aww crap" when he says "Kuso".
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Feb 4, 2013 17:44
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makere posted:I think yatsu is something like "that guy" and kisama is close to "you rear end in a top hat/bastard". If only there were a translator's note!?
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Feb 4, 2013 17:51
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jyrque posted:The game's easy and short though, not sure if it would make a decent full episode. That said, I'd also like to see him play it, especially to see Arino's reaction to the ferris wheel scene. Easy, my eye. 
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Feb 4, 2013 18:05
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I seriously remember buying Incredible Crisis on a whim since it was cheap, going home and playing the entire thing in one sitting. Second stage was tricky (i mean seriously who likes mashing buttons) but otherwise it's smooth sailing. Maybe one day I should play it again to make sure my recollection of the past is not just a reimagining written by our robot overlords.
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Feb 4, 2013 18:27
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Tewratomeh posted:Well if we're still talking about what Kamek says in Yoshi's Island, "poop" (like in the SA Team version) would be the most accurate for the game. Because it's being used in reference to, you know, poop. And it'd be weird for people outside of Japan if they thought Yoshi's Island had strong swear words in the Japanese version. I'm pretty sure if you were to translate it as poop it would be unko instead, which doesn't have the expletive context associated with it at all.
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Feb 4, 2013 18:37
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Caitlin posted:I'm pretty sure if you were to translate it as poop it would be unko instead, which doesn't have the expletive context associated with it at all. There was a Japanese foreign exchange student at my high school one year, and she freaked out whenever we said unko. Is it not offensive?
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Feb 4, 2013 18:40
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Impolite discussion. It would be gross to talk about to your average girl.
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jyrque posted:I seriously remember buying Incredible Crisis on a whim since it was cheap, going home and playing the entire thing in one sitting. Second stage was tricky (i mean seriously who likes mashing buttons) but otherwise it's smooth sailing. Maybe one day I should play it again to make sure my recollection of the past is not just a reimagining written by our robot overlords. Seriously screw that "there's a hole in your boat" mini game they make you do like 4 times. I loved the game but that was terrible.
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makere posted:I think yatsu is something like "that guy" and kisama is close to "you rear end in a top hat/bastard".
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Calling others bastards or talking about poop to girls might be normal to goons but it's important to note the weight politeness and formality hold in Japanese culture witholds. 
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Tewratomeh posted:Well if we're still talking about what Kamek says in Yoshi's Island, "poop" (like in the SA Team version) would be the most accurate for the game. Because it's being used in reference to, you know, poop. And it'd be weird for people outside of Japan if they thought Yoshi's Island had strong swear words in the Japanese version. The exact word was unchi, which is poop. Kuso can be interpreted as a swear unchi can't. Yoshi's Island is not only a kid's game but a game that emphasizes childlike innocence with its crayon graphics, babies and happy faces everywhere, so I would absolutely keep the text G-rated. I translate kuso differently depending on context because it can change. When Arino goes kuso I usually use "dammit" because he's saying it out of frustration and I find it fits better than "crap" because "crap" to me sounds more spur-of-the-moment (like "oh no!") and not an exasperated "arrrrgh" sort of way, which is usually how Arino uses it. For kuso gee I translate to "crap game." Arino once said in an episode that he has to go to the bathroom, specifically referencing #2. I translated that line as "I gotta go take a dump." He used the word unko which is like unchi but more masculine and less juvenile. Hence why I went with "gotta take a dump" over "gotta go poop" -- the former sounds more masculine and less juvenile than the latter, to me anyway. Had he used the word kuso I would've went with "take a crap." I don't swear, so you won't see much swearing in my work. But if I truly feel it fits the context, I will use them. For example, if the word kuso was used by some gangster in say, something like GTO, I'd likely translate it as "poo poo." zari-gani fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Feb 4, 2013 |
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Feb 4, 2013 19:39
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Thanks for that, I just woke up so I kind of forgot about unchi vs. unko.  Breakfast poop discussions.
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Random Stranger posted:I think National Treasure of the Famicom Age wasn't a very good segment. It's just an excuse for Arino to riff on elderly people and the goofy game titles they come up with but there isn't a lot to it. Really? I didn't see it that way. I mean, it was a great segment, but I don't think he riffed on the elderly. For those who haven't seen it: the concept behind Living National Treasure Arino is 50 years in the future, they found a chest full of lost Famicom games. Kan presents them one at a time to a 90-year old Arino, who is wise and knows all Famicom games, and asks him what the game is. The catch is these are fake games (usually parodies of real games), and it's Arino's first time seeing them. Based on the title and cover art, he (the real Arino, not Old Man Arino) has to come up with what the game is on the fly. So it's an improv segment, basically. Sometimes he's funny, and sometimes he obviously is at a loss of what to say. Example: he was once handed "Uradius," which was a tough one because it used the really old Famicom label style with no art. Arino went, "Ah yes, I remember this game... it's a game where you play as a young AD called Urakawa," then he rambled on about what you do as Urakawa. It was sort of funny. The funniest part is when Arino is rambling and Kan silently takes the cart and leaves the room. zari-gani fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 4, 2013 |
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Caitlin posted:I'm pretty sure if you were to translate it as poop it would be unko instead, which doesn't have the expletive context associated with it at all. This really depends on context, the type of show, or even "if the producers think it's worth censoring". Sometimes "unko" even as "poop" will be censored, sometimes not. I've even seen "mouthwash" be censored one time during a Gaki no Tsukai segment, where Matsumoto was cooking spaghetti with toothpaste and mouthwash. Japanese censorship can be weird like that, because people are very fickle on what they think is appropriate.
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Aku posted:I've even seen "mouthwash" be censored one time during a Gaki no Tsukai segment, where Matsumoto was cooking spaghetti with toothpaste and mouthwash. Is it because he was saying the specific brand name?
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Gutcruncher posted:Is it because he was saying the specific brand name? Maybe. After giving it a second listen, he did say "(censored)-like thing", so who knows?
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The White Dragon posted:Oh man, thank you guys. I wanted to watch this episode series since it got released like two weeks ago, haha. I'm happy y'all got right to it. But yeah that's my only gripe of the episode, the rest of it was awesome. The ending was super-tense stuff for me, I haven't been on the edge of my seat for Arino since Lemmings! (Which I still am very thankful for whoever translated it as being a game from Scotland  )Heti posted:I was just rewatching an old episode (Feudal Lord's Ambition) and Arino walks right by an Incredible Crisis arcade machine. I keep bringing up that game because I want him to play it so bad.  gently caress THAT GAME...that would be fun for them to do, they don't do very much Playstation games I notice. One game I WOULD love GCCX to play is Spyro the Dragon. I'd love to see them handling western games more.
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I've loved Game Center CX for quite some time, probably always will, but I always get annoyed at the way Arino just can't figure some things out in games. He plays ridiculous games like Ghouls and Ghosts, and does fairly well with them, and then can't figure out to pull Baby Mario in with Yoshi's tongue. It's a small thing but every time it's always something like that, and you'd think he'd just try it once. The worst part is even if he did know to do it, but they just never showed it in any of the parts we get to see, he still never uses it whenever he should. Still, I love this game, and I love the show. Thanks to the team for this, it's always a joy to see a new episode up, and nobody should ever say anything bad about your work as it's all out of the goodness of your heart, and it is top notch.
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I'm sure it's probably been mentioned a couple of times before in the thread, but the show lies about the time a lot, right? It's a lot more noticeable with the games I've actually played, but you see stuff like "Arino was stuck on this section for three hours" or with boss fights they sometimes show him on his 40th attempt or something crazy like that and it's kinda hard to buy it. Also one phrase that I see popping up in almost every episode is "Arino is stuck for 20 minutes", "Arino gets his chance 20 minutes later" etc, likes it's their go to number when they need to skip over some time. And I know Arino isn't great at games but spending 24+ hours on Yoshi's Island seems kind of wrong, since he didn't really seem horrendously bad at the game or anything. (And it's a really easy game if you're not going for 100%) It's been a while since I played it though, maybe it's longer than I remember. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. It doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the show at all, it's just something I've noticed.
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Feb 4, 2013 21:15
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^^^ Have you ever seen the live challenges? That's all I can say.
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Also, for a person getting used to the game and figuring stuff out who hasn't played it before Yoshi's Island IS actually a long game, if not exactly the most difficult...
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zari-gani posted:^^^ Yeah, if you think it's unrealistic to spend 20-40 minutes on one segment wait til you watch Arino spend 8+ hours on the same Lemmings level.
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I thought the second half of the Yoshi's Island challenge showed that it had some weird, difficult parts. Those were really fun to watch Arino struggle with, and the climactic Bowser fight was of course awesome. I loved the second half!
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That "Final Boss Theme" from Yoshi's Island is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Ose7A8P94
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