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Yuzenn posted:YALL HEARD THIS NEW FUTURE TRACK?
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:Just want to highly recommend the book Sweet Jones: Pimp C's Trill Life Story by Julia Beverly. Really really in depth look at Pimp's life. 700 pages, well written and she did A TOOOON of homework. Great book about one of the best to ever do it. Long live the Pimp. seconding this. its a good book. along with the scarface book from earlier this year, its a good year for rap books.
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Oct 7, 2015 20:10
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haha hopsin is so loving lame. i'd be caremad about successful rappers too i guess though if i had his fanbase.
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Oct 7, 2015 21:48
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Rip, was just playing Da Devils Playground a couple nights ago.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:39
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wattba is some of the best background music ive ever heard in my life
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Oct 7, 2015 23:50
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thathonkey posted:haha hopsin is so loving lame. i'd be caremad about successful rappers too i guess though if i had his fanbase. But he is completely right and it's an indictment on rap itself. A guy like Hopson was never going to be able to do well in the current climate. You can even hear it directly from music directors and producers themselves. They don't give a poo poo except for the next hot single no matter the quality of the content.
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Oct 8, 2015 00:14
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People are in denial if they think rap isn't in bad place right now but Hopsin will always be bad and dumb or stating the obvious in an annoying way.
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Oct 8, 2015 00:16
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Yuzenn posted:But he is completely right and it's an indictment on rap itself. bullshit
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Oct 8, 2015 00:35
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If rap is in a bad place right now when was it in a good place? It's the same lame rosy retrospection and generational nostalgia bias you get every decade where no one remembers the corny acts of the decade they arbitrarily call the good old days tbh I'm glad I'm no longer in high school getting elitist about "real rap" and underground acts and overemphasizing the value of lyricism and "punchlines" in lieu of charisma/not sounding like lame poo poo. Though even back then I wouldn't have been down with Hopsin.
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Oct 8, 2015 00:36
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TheFallenEvincar posted:If rap is in a bad place right now when was it in a good place? It's the same lame rosy retrospection and generational nostalgia bias you get every decade where no one remembers the corny acts of the decade they arbitrarily call the good old days
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Oct 8, 2015 00:39
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i feel sorry for people stuck in a loop of infinite retrospection. i've been a rap fan my entire life and i've never been more excited to be a rap fan than right now.
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Oct 8, 2015 00:43
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i think the people who complain about rap these days just dont know how to loving discover new music because theres tons of dudes out there that you will like if you only listen to poo poo from the 90s
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Oct 8, 2015 00:45
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Yuzenn posted:But he is completely right and it's an indictment on rap itself. A guy like Hopson was never going to be able to do well in the current climate. Hopsin wouldn't have done well in the 90's either because his music is garbage and there are fifty dozen rappers doing what he's doing, but with much better songs and way less attitude. Also I'd say that hip-hop is objectively better now than its ever been, there's plenty of dusty backpacker rap still being made if newfangled music is too confusing and scary for you
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Oct 8, 2015 00:46
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That's a lot of assuming and projecting. I came up when Wayne was putting out entire mixtapes that bumped every two weeks with no skippables!, when almost every G Unit member put out great albuns and mixtapes, Hot Boys, No Limit, Lil Jon, Jay and Kanye before they disappeared up their own rear end, UGK and Houston having a voice, Jeezy/Gucci never making any bad music ever. I can go on and on. When the biggest dudes are a self admitted singing nigga and another guy is a weirdo who's blatantly badly copying Wayne who persona and his homeboys just snitched on themselves watching gay porn with no pussy in sight? Get the entire gently caress out of here if you think it isn't in a downtrend. It happens in every medium. Soon it'll be great again.
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Oct 8, 2015 00:52
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who gives a gently caress about the biggest dudes? we're in the golden age of rap because you don't have to rely on either rappers you already know about putting out a good album or digging in the dollar bin and hoping you find something that's actually good. the internet and ease of spreading music allows everyone to have a voice in rap and for your music to reach everyone. kismet is one of my favorite albums ever and i don't think i would have ever even heard of exquire if this was 2003. i enjoy A Big Rap Album as much as anyone else but my attention is entirely on the little guys right now. also young thug rules
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Oct 8, 2015 01:06
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Budget Prefuse posted:who gives a gently caress about the biggest dudes? we're in the golden age of rap because you don't have to rely on either rappers you already know about putting out a good album or digging in the dollar bin and hoping you find something that's actually good. the internet and ease of spreading music allows everyone to have a voice in rap and for your music to reach everyone. kismet is one of my favorite albums ever and i don't think i would have ever even heard of exquire if this was 2003. i enjoy A Big Rap Album as much as anyone else but my attention is entirely on the little guys right now. Is anybody reading? I never said "everything is poo poo". I said downward trend. There are a bunch of good stuff out there. I need more GREAT. I'm tired of saying "this was ok" "that was good, not great". Half of the poo poo I mentioned was after 2003 and the internet was well into effect back then.
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Oct 8, 2015 01:18
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oh i'm reading i'm just adamant you're wrong
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Oct 8, 2015 01:21
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Marching Powder posted:i feel sorry for people stuck in a loop of infinite retrospection. i've been a rap fan my entire life and i've never been more excited to be a rap fan than right now. I'm pretty sure people like you think every year is best
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Oct 8, 2015 01:25
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RBX posted:I'm pretty sure people like you think every year is best RBX posted:That's a lot of assuming and projecting.
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Oct 8, 2015 01:34
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I think I have more people in this thread on my ignore list than everywhere else in the forum put together
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Oct 8, 2015 01:38
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RBX posted:That's a lot of assuming and projecting. See the thing is, that poo poo you seem to be naming as being "great" was the same kind of no-content generic trap/party poo poo that my friends and I were calling out as being no-rapping bullshit (excluding Kanye). Like that's what I look on as the "low" point in rap-you had a lot of dudes with the same lack of content/lyricism without any of the charisma and verbal tics and poo poo that makes dudes like Young Thug and Future interesting now. You had 50 doing his best R&B thug poo poo and his weed carriers putting out bullshit albums every other week and charting. Gucci and Jeezy were making growling/mushmouth nonsense respectively. Like that was were all the beats&hooks poo poo got started where the actual verses were just something you'd poo poo out to get to the next hook. Like you could maybe make the argument that at least on a mainstream level rap's in a bad spot, but the era you seemed to have latched on too certainly isn't where I'd start. Budget Prefuse posted:who gives a gently caress about the biggest dudes? we're in the golden age of rap because you don't have to rely on either rappers you already know about putting out a good album or digging in the dollar bin and hoping you find something that's actually good. the internet and ease of spreading music allows everyone to have a voice in rap and for your music to reach everyone. kismet is one of my favorite albums ever and i don't think i would have ever even heard of exquire if this was 2003. i enjoy A Big Rap Album as much as anyone else but my attention is entirely on the little guys right now. Quantum of Phallus posted:I think I have more people in this thread on my ignore list than everywhere else in the forum put together
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Oct 8, 2015 01:42
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I think I have more people in this thread on my ignore list than everywhere else in the forum put together alansmithee posted:Legit I think I have like 10. Sometimes it's just like a page full of blank. hahahahaha add me if you haven't already. god drat if you can't read dumb opinions without getting legitimately upset maybe internet communities aren't for you
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Oct 8, 2015 01:49
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Marching Powder posted:hahahahaha add me if you haven't already. god drat if you can't read dumb opinions without getting legitimately upset maybe internet communities aren't for you what a weird response
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Oct 8, 2015 01:52
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alansmithee posted:See the thing is, that poo poo you seem to be naming as being "great" was the same kind of no-content generic trap/party poo poo that my friends and I were calling out as being no-rapping bullshit (excluding Kanye). Like that's what I look on as the "low" point in rap-you had a lot of dudes with the same lack of content/lyricism without any of the charisma and verbal tics and poo poo that makes dudes like Young Thug and Future interesting now. You had 50 doing his best R&B thug poo poo and his weed carriers putting out bullshit albums every other week and charting. Gucci and Jeezy were making growling/mushmouth nonsense respectively. Like that was were all the beats&hooks poo poo got started where the actual verses were just something you'd poo poo out to get to the next hook. We have fundamentally different tastes/opinions then but we agree on mainstream. But G Unit, Jeezy, Gucci, Lil Jon paved the way for the underground/ strip club rap of today, don't discredit them as nothing because you'd be wrong. Also if it isn't obvious I really don't care about lyrics or substance as long as it's good and I'll take back then over today's copycats anytime. At least Jkwon and Rich Boy sounded different.
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Oct 8, 2015 01:56
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funky not a junkie posted:what a weird response i hope this is true and that everyone uses a feature i didn't know existed because they can't handle dissenting opinions of stupid people online
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Oct 8, 2015 01:57
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I've always thought '03-'08 was the weakest point in rap, the poo poo rules now. Hopsin wears colored contacts and tries to sound like 98 Eminem without the charisma. He should learn from Future or Thug and put a catchy melody or some personality in his songs. I love this thread and how it helps me keep up with current rap, have a good evening friends.
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Oct 8, 2015 02:48
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RBX posted:We have fundamentally different tastes/opinions then but we agree on mainstream. G Unit didn't pave the way for anything, it was pretty much the last gasp of the R&B thug poo poo. And even that was pretty much just 50, the rest of the dudes were randos that didn't do poo poo (excepting Game who left/got booted early). They ARE nothing. Gucci is influential, but I don't think that makes him good since pretty much every dude who's came after him that he was associated with is better except OJ tha juiceman. Lil Jon was just MC Hammer. Also as for sounding alike, really? There's about 10x more variety in sound now just because there's so much more people can actually hear. I think people seem to confuse "I don't like the music out now" with "music is bad now". It's not just a rap thing, pretty much every genre of music has that. And while I definitely think there's something there at the mainstream level, what's "mainstream" now is essentially irrelevant with the internet. I mean for all the talk of Young Thug he's nowhere near mainstream. You look at actual sales and support and whatnot and Rich Homie Quan has dude beat by a mile. Also Hopsin's a total clown. Like dude's jocking Tyler still-Tyler was making Young Nigga videos like 2-3 years ago making fun of that poo poo.
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Oct 8, 2015 03:01
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RBX posted:I came up when Wayne was putting out entire mixtapes that bumped every two weeks with no skippables!, when almost every G Unit member put out great albuns and mixtapes, Hot Boys, No Limit, Lil Jon, Jay and Kanye before they disappeared up their own rear end, UGK and Houston having a voice, Jeezy/Gucci never making any bad music ever. I can go on and on. Weird it's almost like you're viewing the past through rosy lenses of nostalgia. This thread would be a lot better if ignore-lists were public :/
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Oct 8, 2015 03:17
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I like music http://youtu.be/Rpc54thR-ig
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Oct 8, 2015 03:22
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so loving future posted:Weird it's almost like you're viewing the past through rosy lenses of nostalgia. I don't understand how it's nostalgia when the poo poo I'm talking about is good and still played today? Why do people online always resort to nostalgia when someone disagrees with their opinion it's annoying as gently caress
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Oct 8, 2015 03:25
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TheFallenEvincar posted:If rap is in a bad place right now when was it in a good place? It's the same lame rosy retrospection and generational nostalgia bias you get every decade where no one remembers the corny acts of the decade they arbitrarily call the good old days I never said Rap is in a bad place, I said it was an indictment of Rap itself. Essentially it boils down to a very familiar formula for some extremely simplistic and low effort mashing together of similar ingredients. We are going back to the same discussion we always tend of have in this thread but the "dumbing" down of Rap has its advantages and disadvantages. Rap is probably at it's height in cross cultural popularity but in that mass consumption has a cost on it's own identity. For every Mac Miller and Logic who are making quality music and really appreciate and are doing great things with the medium you have two riff raffs and lil dickys blurring the lines again. I'm not even trying to make this a white culture vulture discussion they just are easy targets to highlight. There was a TON of corny poo poo back in the "golden era" of rap, and I remember them just as well but they only had ONE option to popularity and it was via the radio and physical record sales. The freedom today to select what to listen to is much higher and I think it's important to highlight the artists who are doing real quality things. Please also note, I think that Future is one of those guys and I love a lot of his songs and I really liked DS2, but his tape with Drake was an eyerollingly simple attempt to make the laziest lyric and beat construction together with some feature names in order to get you to listen and it has been working SO WELL. This is purely opinion but I'm not supporting works like that...you have to give me a little more than some half assed drake lyrics ontop of some simple rear end beats with Future mumbling for me to consume. I turned the Stream off after Jumpman. HorseRenoir posted:Hopsin wouldn't have done well in the 90's either because his music is garbage and there are fifty dozen rappers doing what he's doing, but with much better songs and way less attitude. I'm not saying Hopsin is good, I'm just saying his point has merit. And I'm not a backpack rap fan, I'm just a regular rap fan. New and old as long as it's good it's good. I probably bought the most Rap albums this year than I ever have. Even Big Sean (who everyone hates) put out a quality product. RBX posted:That's a lot of assuming and projecting. 50 is a goddamn genius and really disguised a lot of the lack of talent in Gunit behind some amazing song structure and absolute FLOODING of songs to the masses for free. He released a mixtape drat near weekly and there has to be easily hundreds of freestyles and remixes that they've made. Drake is dope, and I'll admit that Young Thug just isn't for me but I would be wrong if I called what is happening in Rap a downtrend. I think it is a trend, but it's one that if it isn't overwhelmed by some more quality material could be potentially very damaging to the medium itself. Budget Prefuse posted:who gives a gently caress about the biggest dudes? we're in the golden age of rap because you don't have to rely on either rappers you already know about putting out a good album or digging in the dollar bin and hoping you find something that's actually good. the internet and ease of spreading music allows everyone to have a voice in rap and for your music to reach everyone. kismet is one of my favorite albums ever and i don't think i would have ever even heard of exquire if this was 2003. i enjoy A Big Rap Album as much as anyone else but my attention is entirely on the little guys right now. Yeah...this isn't the golden age of rap but it's a good time for rap. alansmithee posted:G Unit didn't pave the way for anything, it was pretty much the last gasp of the R&B thug poo poo. And even that was pretty much just 50, the rest of the dudes were randos that didn't do poo poo (excepting Game who left/got booted early). They ARE nothing. Gucci is influential, but I don't think that makes him good since pretty much every dude who's came after him that he was associated with is better except OJ tha juiceman. Lil Jon was just MC Hammer. Also as for sounding alike, really? There's about 10x more variety in sound now just because there's so much more people can actually hear. Again I'm not saying I don't like the music now....I can't get enough of a lot of the music right now and some of the artists but some guys gimmicks are rough to listen to and watch. Young Thug is literally trying to out Tyler Tyler and is entirely reliant on shock and awe. That type of rap is REALLY popular in other circles, because it's almost punk rockish but I'm just no fan.
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Oct 8, 2015 03:29
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Boywhiz88 posted:I like music http://youtu.be/fxJsCc128MI http://youtu.be/_DvNuyiM0I8
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Oct 8, 2015 03:33
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Lack of talent in G-Unit? What? Unless you're talking about Spider Loc idk what you mean If any of you cowards have me on ignore I just want to let you know you're wrong 7 RING SHRIMP fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 03:34
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i actually completely forgot rbx is an open and proud homophobe i should write that down somewhere
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Oct 8, 2015 03:36
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:Lack of talent in G-Unit? What? Unless you're talking about Spider Loc idk what you mean Loc Buc and Game were all hidden by 50's amazing talent to make great music and his influence was the only reason they had some minor success. Yayo's and Banks solo works weren't that great either, but at least Banks could rest on some top 5 lyricism at the time. Kidd Kidd is another example of the weak link of a whole product but it doesn't matter as long as he has 50 in his corner. It was really 50 and his band of buddies the whole time.
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40 lbs to freedom posted:i actually completely forgot rbx is an open and proud homophobe i should write that down somewhere If dude is gay then be gay! Stop acting like you're not! If he's not then stop the bullshit. His boys got caught and had the nerve to say they were watching Empire. My problem is he's apparently afraid to be what he wants to be but still acts like anybody is supposed to take him serious or be scared of him. A majority of people in real life agree. If that's what you wanna think then cool who cares either way
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Oct 8, 2015 03:53
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The Gunit album, Bucks two albums and banks first are classic fight me if you disagree
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Oct 8, 2015 03:58
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Banks has been consistently very good his whole career, he's just kind of lazy and never reached his potential and already has his meal ticket in 50. It's not a lack of talent with him. Yayo had some great verses in the early mixtape days, but yeah lol. Buck is/was NO slouch on the mic. I don't really consider Game as part of G-Unit because it was so short lived but if you want to it only adds to their talent level and doesn't subtract. And yeah you can't really count spider loc or Kidd Kidd because they aren't G-Unit. Agreed though it really was 50 & Co but 50 was so loving big it didn't matter. That was a drat good roster and they made hundreds of good tracks. Last great rap group
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Oct 8, 2015 03:59
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Rap is a bad place because everyone relevant is using the same producers, the producers sound the same, nobody is challening themselves, and imitators thrive. Rap is back in that overcrowded LCD type of stuff. People are so moody and passive aggressive and its music to drive your car at night to music. I like that but I need balance. I need music that makes me want to whip somebody's rear end. Where's the up-tempo music? The chicago scene has run its course, TDE is doing gently caress all. Everyone stole the texas sound. NY sounds like ATL. ATL has been making the same 2 songs for the past 10 years (trap and strip music). I think rap is bottoming out and I don't know how long it will stay here but its due for another revival. The various ATL styles are becoming as boring as NY goon music. Oh and I know someone will point off all the underground artists that nobody gives a gently caress about as providing diversity. Yeah, polish matters. Just sounding different isn't enough. TDE and the Chicago scene is the closest thing to sounding different but actually having legs. Rando producers that make 2 songs aren't saving rap for me. And RTJ is only hype to white boys that would never whip anyone's rear end.
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RBX posted:If dude is gay then be gay! Stop acting like you're not! If he's not then stop the bullshit. i like my beer cold, my tv loud and my homosexuals flllllllllaming! - homer simpson, being made fun of for his outdated opinions on homosexuals back in 1997, when rap was coincidentally the best
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