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Tesseraction posted:Ohh, PP meant that there are TERFs out there that could be picked up as the shitbags, not that Anita is one. Yeah one of the greatest ironies is that Anita Sarkeesian is like the most bland Women's Studies 101 poo poo but she made a Patreon so she's the Face Of Radical Feminsim now.
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Lady Naga posted:Yeah one of the greatest ironies is that Anita Sarkeesian is like the most bland Women's Studies 101 poo poo but she made a Patreon so she's the Face Of Radical Feminsim now. Yeah like I knew her before this whole GG poo poo and while I had criticisms of her analysis it was more that she was simplifying poo poo for idiots to understand, and that's fine for 101 but not necessarily analogous to real life. Then I met a dude IRL who said he loved watching her vids because she was hot but that she was full of poo poo but he watches it anyway so that he can understand why women are always complaining about nothing. I say met, I was in a band with him, and quit not long after that discussion on the first excuse I could find.
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Tesseraction posted:Oh divabot, any word on the physical copies of N:AB? I pinged Phil and so he posted an update. tl;dr running late on layout, end of month or so.
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What the gently caress is Neoreaction A Basilisk again? Like I know what Roko's Basilisk is but are we making fun of this book or is it a parody or
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Lady Naga posted:What the gently caress is Neoreaction A Basilisk again? Like I know what Roko's Basilisk is but are we making fun of this book or is it a parody or It's an MST3k thing, you wouldn't like it
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Small Frozen Thing posted:It's an MST3k thing, you wouldn't like it I mean for sure but the kickstarter description is incredibly vague so I have no idea what the gently caress it's supposed to be.
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Lady Naga posted:What the gently caress is Neoreaction A Basilisk again? Like I know what Roko's Basilisk is but are we making fun of this book or is it a parody or boy did you miss all the fun times on Tumblr through May! Start at the Kickstarter, which includes links to five preview excerpts. Book should be on general sale in 2017. Go back through this thread to see links to the most loving rabid of the rationalists' reviews of it. (Phil sent review copies to the rationalists, to see what fun would ensue.)
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divabot posted:boy did you miss all the fun times on Tumblr through May! Start at the Kickstarter, which includes links to five preview excerpts. Book should be on general sale in 2017. Go back through this thread to see links to the most loving rabid of the rationalists' reviews of it. Oh so it's a fiction book in a weird format yeah okay pass. Or not? The loving Kickstarter descriptions are so cloying that it's incredibly difficult to tell what it's actually about but all the excerpts are written like an essay. Lady Naga has a new favorite as of 15:58 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I don't know why people think she's so bad, I got linked an article interviewing her by a friend who's particularly left on most things and not generally a bad person but who was OUTRAGED at her opinions on videogames where she said things like... "maybe the girl character whose only character trait at all is "likes the color pink" is a bad idea." She wasn't even confrontational about it or call for the mass banning of videogames and deportation of all waifus or whatever, she just pointed things out and suggested ways in the future that videogame developers could make women characters better She gives off a "scolding mother" vibe IMO, a lot of people are reacting to that
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Lady Naga posted:Oh so it's a fiction book in a weird format yeah okay pass. It's not a fiction book, it's an analysis of the worldviews/writing of Yudkowsky, Moldbug, and Nick Land. It's pretty good.
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Lady Naga posted:Oh so it's a fiction book in a weird format yeah okay pass. Or not? The loving Kickstarter descriptions are so cloying that it's incredibly difficult to tell what it's actually about but all the excerpts are written like an essay. Pretty sure it started as a big essay (the author described it as "a 50,000 word shitpost") that became a book, and while it's stylized all to gently caress in places it's certainly still very much a critical analysis
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Asymmetrikon posted:It's not a fiction book, it's an analysis of the worldviews/writing of Yudkowsky, Moldbug, and Nick Land. It's pretty good. I was getting confused because Kickstarter's layout is ridiculous and both the quick description at the top of the page and the lengthier description uses a bunch of confusing and unneccisary prose so I had to actually read excerpts to figure out what the gently caress. Like really look at this quote:Neoreaction a Basilisk is a work of theoretical philosophy about the tentacled computer gods at the end of the universe. It is a horror novel written in the form of a lengthy Internet comment. A savage journey to the heart of the present eschaton. A Dear John letter to western civilization written from the garden of madman philosophers. A textual labyrinth winding towards a monster that I promise will not turn out to be ourselves all along or any crap like that. What the gently caress is this? Why bother writing all this garbage when you can say "it's an essay criticising neo-reactionaries"?
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Lady Naga posted:Yeah one of the greatest ironies is that Anita Sarkeesian is like the most bland Women's Studies 101 poo poo but she made a Patreon so she's the Face Of Radical Feminsim now. Yeah sorry I could have worded my post better everyone 
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Lady Naga posted:Oh so it's a fiction book in a weird format yeah okay pass. Or not? The loving Kickstarter descriptions are so cloying that it's incredibly difficult to tell what it's actually about but all the excerpts are written like an essay. Asymmetrikon posted:It's not a fiction book, it's an analysis of the worldviews/writing of Yudkowsky, Moldbug, and Nick Land. It's pretty good. Yeah, it's basically a sardonic explanation of how the writings of Yudkowsky and Nick Land are the intellectual origins of the unintellectual Mencius Moldbug and his moronic mob. It takes plenty of time out to make fun of Big Yud and Moldbug.
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Lady Naga posted:What the gently caress is this? Why bother writing all this garbage when you can say "it's an essay criticising neo-reactionaries"? The target market is literally this thread, and we (or at least I?) already know what he's talking about and find it funny
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Lady Naga posted:Oh so it's a fiction book in a weird format yeah okay pass. Or not? The loving Kickstarter descriptions are so cloying that it's incredibly difficult to tell what it's actually about but all the excerpts are written like an essay. It's textual analysis, but he has fun with it and also sort-of worships William Blake, so. hackbunny posted:She gives off a "scolding mother" vibe IMO, a lot of people are reacting to that It's really hard for any woman to criticize anything in any way without being perceived as a "scolding mother" or "alpha bitch" by a huge swath of the population through no fault of their own. The trouble is explaining that falls into the category of criticism, so you get caught in judgment loop. Personal anecdote: there were two managers at a plant I used to work at: the man who would openly fantasize about running over his workers with a truck if they decided to strike, and a woman who would tell people to do their jobs when people were not doing their jobs. Guess who got the reputation for being a psychotic ball buster!
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Lady Naga posted:It seems marketed to people who already know who Phil Sandifer is. he was expecting like 50 people to buy it but then it got popular
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Goon Danton posted:It's really hard for any woman to criticize anything in any way without being perceived as a "scolding mother" or "alpha bitch" by a huge swath of the population through no fault of their own. The trouble is explaining that falls into the category of criticism, so you get caught in judgment loop. I'll leave this here:  Reminder that Eric Berne didn't attach a value judgement to the terminology of transactional analysis, so being in the Child state doesn't mean being childish (negative), but emotional (neutral) This reminds me I really have to finish Games People Play
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Lady Naga posted:It seems marketed to people who already know who Phil Sandifer is. Phil's Kickstarter got overfunded by 640% (asked for $2,000, got $14,815), so it's definitely a marketing approach that works for him. He's found his niche and he manages to make a living at it, which is a lot more than most literature PhD's trying to make a living outside of academia can claim.
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Lady Naga posted:What the gently caress is this? Why bother writing all this garbage when you can say "it's an essay criticising neo-reactionaries"? Because Sandifer loves to wank on about stuff.
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Basically the summary and excerpts make it pretty clear if this is for you or not. But oh man, the reactions. He started off trying to respond with sweet reason, but after a while lost patience with their foolishness and just started taking the piss. "I suppose we're just lucky it wasn't called Roko's Cockatrice."
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I still feel like the most intellectual dishonest response was the dude who hyperfocused in on the discussion of Newcomb's Paradox, found a minor error in the summary of this extremely minor part of the book, and tried to use Less Wrong's love of debating timeless angels probabilistically dancing on the heads of cyber-pins to bury any actual discussion of the book under a truck-full of chattering pedants.
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Lady Naga posted:What the gently caress is this? Why bother writing all this garbage when you can say "it's an essay criticising neo-reactionaries"?
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Race Realists posted:radfem at times feels like some weird, awful MRA strawman Hey I got five bucks to blow you want a new AV coupon?
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Tesseraction posted:I was in a band with him, and quit not long after that discussion on the first excuse I could find. It's weird how subtle sexism/racism/homophobia are in some people. Like you're just talking to a guy and suddenly you find out he hates an oppressed group. Then you gotta cut ties without cutting ties with mutual friends :/
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:Hey I got five bucks to blow you want a new AV coupon? Wow, I really read this wrong. Hey I got five bucks to blow you want a new AV coupon?
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hackbunny posted:She gives off a "scolding mother" vibe IMO, a lot of people are reacting to that Goon Danton posted:It's really hard for any woman to criticize anything in any way without being perceived as a "scolding mother" or "alpha bitch" by a huge swath of the population through no fault of their own. The trouble is explaining that falls into the category of criticism, so you get caught in judgment loop. 
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pookel posted:Wow, I really read this wrong. 
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Cardboard Box A posted:Yep, children (or large adult children) who have problems with authority are going to project angry parental disapproval onto anyone saying anything bad about their toys: Hey Arnold was a pretty good cartoon
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Anime, Porn and JFK Conspiracies: Reddit Users Confess the Bizarre Reasons They're Voting TrumpAlterNet article posted:User ThreeStarUniform said that if Trump admitted “I was only running to clinch it for Hillary,” would lose his support. Threatening a draft or saying anime isn’t real would also be an end game.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Yep, children (or large adult children) who have problems with authority are going to project angry parental disapproval onto anyone saying anything bad about their toys: I know what this is supposed to say, but all I see is, "Dark-haired dude who has literally wasted his entire life in front of a television."
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Cardboard Box A posted:Yep, children (or large adult children) who have problems with authority are going to project angry parental disapproval onto anyone saying anything bad about their toys: At least modern mom has lost a serious amount of weight and modern hipster dad has more hair and isn't some kind of vampire wraith anymore 
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Woolie Wool posted:Anime, Porn and JFK Conspiracies: Reddit Users Confess the Bizarre Reasons They're Voting Trump Irony poisoning claims more and more every year. 
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Men are polygynous. Women are serially monogamous. Women are hypergamous. What the gently caress do these sentences even mean? Aren't both of these lines of text internally contradictory? 
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:It's weird how subtle sexism/racism/homophobia are in some people. Like you're just talking to a guy and suddenly you find out he hates an oppressed group. Then you gotta cut ties without cutting ties with mutual friends :/ Another interesting discussion was that at the time the UK government passed gay marriage he said that while he personally was fine with gay people he still thought that marriage should be between a man and a woman. I figured I might as well go through the motions so I asked on what basis he held the conviction, and it came down to it being Britain being a Christian country. I had two questions to that - first, isn't he Jewish? He is. Second, isn't he a secularist anyway? He is. So I asked why in this particular instance he was fine with religion infecting the law and he said that the law is based on religion anyway, which isn't wholly inaccurate. Then I quoted elements of the Tanakh at him about stoning women to death etc. and asking why those aren't laws any more, and he conceded that laws are malleable according the the social norms of the time. I asked why gay marriage couldn't be the newest modification of the law according to the social norms of the time, and he conceded the point, but said he still believed marriage should be between a man and woman. In retrospect this was the point where I probably should have listened to the alarm bells, but I'm used to much shittier religious justifications so I let it slide with a "well get used to it being normal now."
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Alsoquote:Women are only along for the ride because sex and babies can't happen without them (for now) uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  I've said before MRA types come up with a lot of really homoerotic stuff but that might take the cake. Bonus points for "and babies". 
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Can't seem to find it anymore, but the original (?) MGTOW manifesto had some really uh interesting watermark images of buff Greek warrior dudes.
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President Ark posted:Also I'm pretty sure they mean "once VR is good enough that I can finally sex my meek submissive anime waifu" and also "growing babies in vats like in Brave New World is cool and good" Actually didn't Brave New World have what was basically VR sex in it, where they'd go to the "feelies" and everyone was excited at how good the virtual sex on the virtual bear-skin rug felt?
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