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In case people forgot, Arino challenges Super Mario Kart in the episode. Can't wait to see more of Arino play Super Mario Kart.
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joek0 posted:In case people forgot, Arino challenges Super Mario Kart in the episode. Can't wait to see more of Arino play Super Mario Kart. Super Mario Kart is kinda eh but I'd kill to see him challenge Mario Kart 64. They could do a 2-parter with the 2nd episode being staff tournaments.
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Feb 6, 2013 06:50
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It wouldn't be exactly "retro" but could you imagine a staff Double Dash tourney? That would be glorious.
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Feb 6, 2013 06:52
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Gamecube is retro now, right? Can't wait for the Four Swords live challenge!
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Feb 6, 2013 07:00
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Technically it kinda is. I mean it's twelve years old.. but it doesn't feel retro.
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Feb 6, 2013 07:02
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It's definitely got that retro-style difficulty! To this day I can't believe I beat the Mirror Cup...
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Feb 6, 2013 07:05
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I was reading over some of my old papers from college tonight and came across something that seemed relevant to translation discussion. In 1911, after the first full stage production of a Japanese translation of Shakespeare's Hamlet, a prominent novelist wrote in a newspaper article: "Dr. Tsubouchi [the translator/director] should have chosen to become a faithful translator of Shakespeare without thinking of staging a performance, or to become an unfaithful adaptor in order to put Shakespeare on the stage." Even over a hundred years ago, people were having the debate of "authenticity" versus "localization". I know it's not going to be completely settled for me until we have some sort of brain download device that can instantly deposit the language and cultural information straight into my head before watching.
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Feb 6, 2013 07:09
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kirbysuperstar posted:Technically it kinda is. I mean it's twelve years old.. but it doesn't feel retro. gently caress! Why do I keep hearing things that make me feel old
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Feb 6, 2013 07:11
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Nipponophile posted:In 1911, after the first full stage production of a Japanese translation of Shakespeare's Hamlet, a prominent novelist wrote in a newspaper article: "Dr. Tsubouchi [the translator/director] should have chosen to become a faithful translator of Shakespeare without thinking of staging a performance, or to become an unfaithful adaptor in order to put Shakespeare on the stage."
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Feb 6, 2013 07:38
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The White Dragon posted:I think the real quesiton here is, did Hamlet's super-literal translation sound like he was batshit insane or not? Translator's note: Nothing means vagina. And everything means penis. Erwin Tuwonwon fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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Feb 6, 2013 07:52
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Obeast posted:What could be tasty in a game store? I'll tell you one thing -- he's not referring to anything edible. Nipponophile posted:In 1911, after the first full stage production of a Japanese translation of Shakespeare's Hamlet [...] This got me curious about the Japanese translation of "to be or not to be." There's a little section about it in the Japanese wiki article on Hamlet that talks about the different interpretations/translations it's had over the decades. From oldest to most recent: （復讐を）すべきかすべきでないか: "To do or not to do" (take revenge) 生きるべきか死ぬべきか: "To live or to die" 世にある、世にあらぬ: "To exist, to not exist"
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Feb 6, 2013 07:55
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As someone with no practical experience translating, but who's studying to pursue a career in translating, I think it's more important to think about the meaning behind the original language instead of getting hung up on the words themselves. Take honorifics for example, since whether or not to use them is a common argument in fansubbing cirlces. They convey a lot of meaning, but most English speakers aren't going to have any idea what "chan" means or why it's tacked onto the end of names sometimes, so to them it doesn't mean anything at all. You should think "This character is calling that character [name]chan because they're close, how do I convey that closeness in English?" rather than just leaving it as-is and calling it a day. I wouldn't do anything silly like calling rice balls donuts, but leaving a phrase untranslated like "o-baka-chan-tachi" is just lazy. In short, TV-Nihon sucks. Mostly because they seem to barely understand Japanese at all, but also because they're lazy translators who probably don't really give a poo poo about the work they do.
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Feb 6, 2013 08:24
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Although I'm one for avoiding using honorifics in translations, orenroren had a pretty good reason for it in his LPs of the Dangan Ronpa series: they're murder mystery games that often convey crucial details through subtle writing. Sure, you could go through the whole game and try to lock down any instance where localizing the honorifics could cause issues in how important information is presented to you, but that's a little absurd to expect a single person to do just for a Lets Play.
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Feb 6, 2013 08:32
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The DVD box was confirmed to be region free, right? I'm finally going to get around importing it to Germany but I want to make sure it'll actually play on my PS3 first.
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Feb 6, 2013 08:39
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zari-gani posted:I'll tell you one thing -- he's not referring to anything edible. Geeze, I never realized how difficult translating "to be or not to be" could be. Japanese doesn't really have a word that combines the copula and existential verbs, I guess. Those are all possible renderings, but they seem somehow more limited than the original. I think I'd go with, "To be or not to be, sore ga mondai, o-baka-chan-tachi."
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Feb 6, 2013 10:19
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Katana Gomai posted:The DVD box was confirmed to be region free, right? I'm finally going to get around importing it to Germany but I want to make sure it'll actually play on my PS3 first.
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Feb 6, 2013 10:32
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Obeast posted:Yes, the DVDs are region and DRM free, meaning you can even rip and stream them from your computer to your PS3 if you so desired (although I think it's a little tricky since the subtitles are actual DVD subtitles, not on the video itself like SAGCCX's videos). Just to be clear, that's the US DVD set. The Japanese DVD's are region 2 disks.
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Feb 6, 2013 11:07
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zari-gani posted:This got me curious about the Japanese translation of "to be or not to be." The soliloquies presented another problem in that they were an unfamiliar mechanic to the Japanese audience. Shakespeare and his contemporaries used the soliloquy to have a character explain his thoughts and state of mind to the audience, but traditional Japanese theater such as Noh or Kabuki typically used a narrator to explain the proceedings. Some early adaptations tried to move the monologues to the narrator instead, but in some early adaptations Hamlet's soliloquies, including the play's most famous line, were written out entirely.
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Feb 6, 2013 14:52
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Nipponophile posted:The soliloquies presented another problem in that they were an unfamiliar mechanic to the Japanese audience. Shakespeare and his contemporaries used the soliloquy to have a character explain his thoughts and state of mind to the audience, but traditional Japanese theater such as Noh or Kabuki typically used a narrator to explain the proceedings. Some early adaptations tried to move the monologues to the narrator instead, but in some early adaptations Hamlet's soliloquies, including the play's most famous line, were written out entirely. This is really interesting, I had no idea about this. It reminds me a lot of Kurosawa's Throne of Blood and its differences from Macbeth due to these cultural differences (e.g. "Macbeth" being killed in a duel at the end was seen as an honorable way to die in Japanese culture and had to be changed to his men turning on him, the ultimate disgrace, to have the same effect).
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Feb 6, 2013 15:32
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kirbysuperstar posted:Technically it kinda is. I mean it's twelve years old.. but it doesn't feel retro. It probably doesn't feel retro because Nintendo basically went and recycled its technology into the Wii, which was released alongside the next generation of consoles. So people were still playing a Gamecube up until the release of the Wii U. A more sobering thought is that the NES is getting pretty close to being "vintage" gaming at this point, if it's not there already.
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Feb 6, 2013 15:55
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Tewratomeh posted:A more sobering thought is that the NES is getting pretty close to being "vintage" gaming at this point, if it's not there already. I'm not sure how we're defining vintage, but considering you can make a better than NES-equivalent game on a PC using free tools in a few hours I'd say it's pretty much there. EDIT To pre-emptively clarify, I'm mainly referring to looping-style games and not something like Final Fantasy. Someone who knows what they're doing with Unity or Gamemaker: Studio and can slap together decent pixel art reasonably quickly could make a game like 1942, Binary Land and the like within a work day or two. univbee fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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Feb 6, 2013 16:06
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 Cross posting from the gif thread cause it owns
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Feb 6, 2013 16:56
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univbee posted:I'm not sure how we're defining vintage, but considering you can make a better than NES-equivalent game on a PC using free tools in a few hours I'd say it's pretty much there. The commonly accepted time frame seems to be about 40 years after the fact, so the NES isn't quite there, but the old Pong machines or the Odyssey or whatever might. Once those of us in our 20's or early 30's reach Arino's age, the NES will be "vintage", and anything from roughly the 360 and earlier will be "retro". Man, I can't wait to play some Red Dead Redemption on my Totally Retro X-Box. As if there'll be a working 360 left in existence by then.
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Feb 6, 2013 17:49
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univbee posted:A 3rd-gen PSP and a $10 cable? I wish I knew why the Japanese were so dang infatuated with 4 which has to be the absolute worst of the SNES era FFs, and is sort of a bad game in general. It gets all the rereleases and all of the nostalgia love.
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Feb 6, 2013 18:13
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Meme Emulator posted:I wish I knew why the Japanese were so dang infatuated with 4 which has to be the absolute worst of the SNES era FFs, and is sort of a bad game in general. Yeah, Mystic Quest was clearly superior. Also, you're wrong and a bad person. But, more on topic, has there ever been talk about re-subbing the Northern Trip special that, I'm assuming, TV Nihon did? It's probably one of my favorite episodes because it's literally just an hour long tamage, but now I must be suspect of what Arino REALLY thinks about clown-themed chance games due to TV Nihon's questionable quality.
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Feb 6, 2013 18:23
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Meme Emulator posted:I wish I knew why the Japanese were so dang infatuated with 4 which has to be the absolute worst of the SNES era FFs, and is sort of a bad game in general. It gets all the rereleases and all of the nostalgia love. I honestly don't know how you can say that when FF5 exists.
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Feb 6, 2013 18:32
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Dog Toggle Switch posted:Yeah, Mystic Quest was clearly superior. Mystic Quest owns. 
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Feb 6, 2013 18:32
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TheWanderingNewbie posted:Mystic Quest owns. Certainly hard to beat the amount of metal it had for battle themes.  Too bad RPGs don't make for good TV, I'd like to see Arino play that one. (Did it ever actually get released in Japan? Thought I read somewhere they made it just for the US because we sucked at RPGs or whatever.)
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Ciaphas posted:Certainly hard to beat the amount of metal it had for battle themes. Lizard Wizard posted:I honestly don't know how you can say that when FF5 exists. I think the Japanese love FFIV so much because of how classical it is, like the whole story is very reminiscent of a westernised Jidaichi thing so maybe they get really romantic about it for the parallels they might have between it and some old tales. That's just me though, I have no idea. univbee posted:This is really interesting, I had no idea about this. It reminds me a lot of Kurosawa's Throne of Blood and its differences from Macbeth due to these cultural differences (e.g. "Macbeth" being killed in a duel at the end was seen as an honorable way to die in Japanese culture and had to be changed to his men turning on him, the ultimate disgrace, to have the same effect). That also makes sense too since gently caress Macbeth you pussywhipped piece of shitfuck 
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Dog Toggle Switch posted:But, more on topic, has there ever been talk about re-subbing the Northern Trip special that, I'm assuming, TV Nihon did? It's probably one of my favorite episodes because it's literally just an hour long tamage, but now I must be suspect of what Arino REALLY thinks about clown-themed chance games due to TV Nihon's questionable quality. Stuff that hasn't been subbed before is top priority. We may eventually do some of the stuff TV-Nihon has done, but that won't be for a while. Sometimes I'll think stuff like, "I really want to translate the Konami Wai Wai episode," but I quickly shoot myself down with "but our time and effort should be focused on non-subbed challenges." Ghosts'n Goblins was an exception because our intention was to release the whole trilogy, along with Clover's help, in time for Halloween. Something like that might happen again in the future if it fits the occasion but don't count on it. Northernmost Trip will probably be subbed by us one day but not for a while. I thought it might interest you guys to know that sometimes Japanese TV subs aren't the greatest. I mean they're usually accurate, but really simplified to the gist of what was said. An example from the GCCX in USA episode. When asked what they like about Arino, someone said: "I just love the fact that you have someone who is... a little bit older, but is still really into the video games. So it's fun seeing him play through them." The Japanese subtitle said: "How he's knowledgeable about video games. It's fun to watch him play." When Ray said: "I've run a fansite for about five years now. I discovered the show on the Internet and I started to write up all the episodes and it's been a lot of fun so far. I'm still covering the show." The subtitle said: "I learned about the show five years ago. I run a fansite."  Ray, how does it feel to know that you've been portrayed as a gaijin robot?
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I've found Japanese subs to be all-around pretty terrible and often avoid nuances entirely, but then I think there's a cultural thing there too (i.e. subs need to be raw information only). One example that stuck out for me the most was the movie "The Queen" where everyone used the neutral verb tense when speaking to the loving Queen of England. I only watched it because I was expecting it to be dripping with honorific language and came away extremely disappointed.
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Feb 6, 2013 20:20
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Ciaphas posted:Certainly hard to beat the amount of metal it had for battle themes. They did a Fire Emblem challenge for Nintendo Channel, but even the Producer told him that clearing the entire game would be impossible, so they just set a certain goal for him to meet before 5 hours(clear a certain part with all of your men intact or something).
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I'm really late to this but I was just wondering what happened with the RGC2 translation and then looked to see that zari-gani had joined the team. Glad to hear it's still going on, I was worried they had abandoned it completely.
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Ciaphas posted:Too bad RPGs don't make for good TV, I'd like to see Arino play that one. (Did it ever actually get released in Japan? Thought I read somewhere they made it just for the US because we sucked at RPGs or whatever.) 
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I was playing Punch-Out!! for Wii earlier, and every time Soda Popinski knocked me down and laughed, I just pictured Arino mimicking his laugh and lost it.FinalGamer posted:I think the Japanese love FFIV so much because of how classical it is, like the whole story is very reminiscent of a westernised Jidaichi thing so maybe they get really romantic about it for the parallels they might have between it and some old tales. I know the classical aspect and heavy medieval fantasy bent is why I love it. It's the last FF to really cling to those DnD roots and have paladins and dark knights and wizards in pointy hats running around, and it's got a cool and straightforward personal journey for the main character. It also feels a lot more sure-handed and less experimental than some of the other titles in the series. Sure, it's no FF6, but I'd rank it pretty high. Certainly higher than the NES games or FF5.
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Does anyone here know Khmer or anyone who knows it? Khmer-English websites just aren't cutting it; I need a person.
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I'd probably check the Language subforum in A/T. http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=162
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zari-gani posted:Ray, how does it feel to know that you've been portrayed as a gaijin robot? For the record, it was totally expected, plus the katakana-ized Japanese I used. At least it wasn't a diplomacy meeting.
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Hokuto posted:This is something TV-N viewers in the thread keep claiming, and it's not true. It's not a loyal translation. If you look at the comparison shot of SA vs TV-N, that's clearly a case where they do not grasp the meaning of a sentence at all, even on the most basic and fundamental level. This happens constantly in their subs, even in GCCX. They do not understand basic words or sentence syntaxes, and as a result their translations end up being completely mangled far more often than you'd think. It is not the work of loyal experts making educated editorial choices. It is the work of amateurs trying to pass themselves off as loyal experts by making editorial choices to cover up their own ignorance and inability to properly understand Japanese or English. It's a smokescreen. Fair enough. I thought they had improved as of late (or so I was lead to believe), but if they haven't... I'm an Over-Time fan, in any case. And I've seen that blog, TheGreenAvenger. Some of them are sorta questionable (I think Begins Night was used by O-T as well? Not to say that it being a universal decision makes it a good one, though), but it's interesting to see some of the weirder stuff, like the Wizard sounds.
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Some of the screens are personal preference, that's for sure. But you'd be surprised how badly TVN mangles some things. I'd feel bad about capping old stuff if they weren't continuing to be terrible with the new stuff too. O-T tended to use "The night it all began" instead of Begins Night. There's a lot of Game Center CX caps in the queue now. They screwed up a lot of stuff in the northernmost game center trip, not to mention most of the interviews they translated.
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