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Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
Thanks! Lune and I have been getting a lot of love for that series, even on Reddit of all places.

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The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



Lunethex posted:

Did you beat all 12 maps in Ubersreik?

Yes i did, I got the achievement for beating the entire game on Normal even.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

HOOLY BOOLY posted:

Yes i did, I got the achievement for beating the entire game on Normal even.

They moved the bounty board in the 1.5 patch on PC at least. Rather than at the base of the stairs, it is over by the altar now. Did you check over there?

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

There is no way they're somehow missing it, it covers an entire wall. It really probably isn't there on consoles. Which is baffling because you'd think the massive influx of players and karak azgaraz would have provided enough funding for A patch on consoles by now. They are two major patches behind at this point.

Did they do daily gifts in december on consoles at least? If not there is probably some infrastructure issue they have to work out to get the board synced up daily or something. Or they're really lazy.

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



Arcsquad12 posted:

They moved the bounty board in the 1.5 patch on PC at least. Rather than at the base of the stairs, it is over by the altar now. Did you check over there?

Yes i did and there is nothing there, here's a screenshot of what i assume it is, but still by the stairs and unusable.Forget the quality, the game looks sharper than that at least.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AtMYzqyMe4b6gUQV8_25mixKTBTL


and as far as know we got no free gifts during december. Sombody i was playing early with today mentioned that they are working on a console patch "soon" but i'm not really holding my breath for it being anytime soon.

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.
holy poo poo fatshark

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

I was thinking of making a basic concepts/Nightmare-readiness type video but if Lune & Co. are gonna do something like that, it'd probably be higher quality from them, so.... any word?

Like I know there was the Combat Basics video but I'm talking more basic things like Roger Dodging, when to use heals, how to fight Stormvermin, Quit Using Your Goddamn Guns For Literally Everything, how to not waste your rocks when building a weapon collection -- things like that.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
A Roger video went up just today, and the Basic Combat video actually has a ton about fighting Stormvermin in the blocking and dodging mechanics. Correct me if I misinterpret, but a lot of the rest of that stuff strays away from the bottom line pure fact and gets into specific play styles or tricks that require specific gear or some level of accumulated e-wealth. We really don't want to do that because our series is aimed specifically at newbies and they need to be able to apply the tips they get immediately, otherwise it gets forgotten quickly.

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Things like efficient dodge count and weapon push levels are nice to know but I think you're talking to people with a higher level of dedication/intensity than I'm looking at. This game reminds me a ton of Payday 2 in that there is a shitload of depth and 0 effort at all on the part of the game to communicate any of it to new players.

Relentless
Sep 22, 2007

It's a perfect day for some mayhem!


New pet peeve: The wizard who refuses to use a melee weapon on nightmare and kills you TWICE with fireball splash damage.

//edit

At the end of Engines Of War, when you're waiting for the boat, he REFUSED to believe you could fight outside the town, made us fight on the dock, and once we finished the event, he proceeded to solo SEVEN MORE WAVES. For fun, apparently? The rest of us just watched as he fireballed them all, then eventually ate a gas rat bomb, and died holding a grim. We let him bleed out and finished while he yelled at us in voice chat.

At least this was the first bad experience, but WTF?

Relentless fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jan 10, 2017

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011



And for my next trick!

PotatoManJack
Nov 9, 2009
I'm late to the party as the game has been out for a while, but I'm finally thinking of picking up vermentide. I've read how the loot system works, but I was wondering as a whole how rewarding it is. I'm a huge fan of games where loot is done well and that rush you get at the end of a level.

Also, is the goon community still active, and as a newbie, will I be able to get into games with goons, or will I be stuck working towards endgame with pubs?

Relentless
Sep 22, 2007

It's a perfect day for some mayhem!


PotatoManJack posted:

I'm late to the party as the game has been out for a while, but I'm finally thinking of picking up vermentide. I've read how the loot system works, but I was wondering as a whole how rewarding it is. I'm a huge fan of games where loot is done well and that rush you get at the end of a level.

Also, is the goon community still active, and as a newbie, will I be able to get into games with goons, or will I be stuck working towards endgame with pubs?

I started like 2 weeks ago, you'll be able to play with goons.

The game is really rewarding, you have to work to finish some maps. It's Left4Dead with a progression system. And getting a really nice piece of gear is fantastic. But it does suck to spend 20 minutes with idiots to get a duplicate with worse traits you'll never use.

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

PotatoManJack posted:

I'm late to the party as the game has been out for a while, but I'm finally thinking of picking up vermentide. I've read how the loot system works, but I was wondering as a whole how rewarding it is. I'm a huge fan of games where loot is done well and that rush you get at the end of a level.

Also, is the goon community still active, and as a newbie, will I be able to get into games with goons, or will I be stuck working towards endgame with pubs?

I was explaining this to a friend of mine earlier:

Don't expect Borderlands. It's L4D with random gear. If the goal is just the gear you're going to get frustrated early on, though between Shrine and Contracts it's now much easier to get gear than it ever was. I suggest trying a few characters so that you can make the most of the loot you do acquire. Don't start worrying about getting perfect/ideal/rare gear until you've got at least a few extra blues sitting around you don't need.

Game is a very solid melee squish-em-up with a meh to good loot system tacked on. I would say the gear feels rewarding but it only gets you so far before you quickly mash up against a Diablo-esque hunt for increasingly specific loot.

EDIT: I would add that this is one of my favorite games to play, but mostly for the actual gameplay. If you're hunting That Specific Item the game can get frustrating early because you're trying to learn the maps and you may feel like you're making zero progress. Take heart: even a near-total newbie can play this game on Hard without much difficulty and that should provide you with a steady supply of, at least, greens. Nightmare is only marginally more difficult and not at all more difficult if you play with tolerant goons.

Mendrian fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jan 10, 2017

PotatoManJack
Nov 9, 2009

Mendrian posted:

I was explaining this to a friend of mine earlier:

Don't expect Borderlands. It's L4D with random gear. If the goal is just the gear you're going to get frustrated early on, though between Shrine and Contracts it's now much easier to get gear than it ever was. I suggest trying a few characters so that you can make the most of the loot you do acquire. Don't start worrying about getting perfect/ideal/rare gear until you've got at least a few extra blues sitting around you don't need.

Game is a very solid melee squish-em-up with a meh to good loot system tacked on. I would say the gear feels rewarding but it only gets you so far before you quickly mash up against a Diablo-esque hunt for increasingly specific loot.

EDIT: I would add that this is one of my favorite games to play, but mostly for the actual gameplay. If you're hunting That Specific Item the game can get frustrating early because you're trying to learn the maps and you may feel like you're making zero progress. Take heart: even a near-total newbie can play this game on Hard without much difficulty and that should provide you with a steady supply of, at least, greens. Nightmare is only marginally more difficult and not at all more difficult if you play with tolerant goons.


Relentless posted:

I started like 2 weeks ago, you'll be able to play with goons.

The game is really rewarding, you have to work to finish some maps. It's Left4Dead with a progression system. And getting a really nice piece of gear is fantastic. But it does suck to spend 20 minutes with idiots to get a duplicate with worse traits you'll never use.

Thanks for the feedback - this sounds like lots of fun. I think I'll definitely give it a try.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

It's an action game first and foremost and you're not going to have a good time if you just want to see numbers go up (or colors in this case), because the items you get are very random. It does provide a lot of longevity to the game though because there's a lot of different weapon setups to try.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Lots of the weapons are also just super satisfying.

Hammers and maces might not turn out as super optimal as axes and swords a bunch of times, but drat if I don't love using them anyway because the way ratmen crumple and bounce from the overhead smashes is so :black101:

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.

Relentless posted:

New pet peeve: The wizard who refuses to use a melee weapon on nightmare and kills you TWICE with fireball splash damage.

//edit

At the end of Engines Of War, when you're waiting for the boat, he REFUSED to believe you could fight outside the town, made us fight on the dock, and once we finished the event, he proceeded to solo SEVEN MORE WAVES. For fun, apparently? The rest of us just watched as he fireballed them all, then eventually ate a gas rat bomb, and died holding a grim. We let him bleed out and finished while he yelled at us in voice chat.

At least this was the first bad experience, but WTF?

When the Fireball staff gets nerfed he'll probably ragequit anyway.

QuietLion
Aug 16, 2011

Da realest Kirby
I've had three separate NM games on different maps today where a sub level-40 player heard Roger spawn, then dashed over to pick up a grimoire before Roger even came into view. What the hell, people? :catstare:
Good thing I'm a filthy Hagbane-bow elf because good god do some of these players make bad decisions, especially when it comes to the rat ogre.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

As someone who already does not take it well when some moron abandons the team during an ambush to go reduce everyone's health, that would drive me up the wall

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

In wizards while we went to get the time the level 300 ran to the grim alone and got loving destroyed. Which was the theme of that run

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

I still can never hit heads with the sword sweep. Is there a trick to it? The weapon isn't that good if I can't navigate the finicky hitboxes in this game.

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.
Can someone describe to me the very peak of "Elf Pubbie"? What traits embody the worst of that encounter

Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

I still can never hit heads with the sword sweep. Is there a trick to it? The weapon isn't that good if I can't navigate the finicky hitboxes in this game.

You mean the one-handed sword? There's not really a trick to it, no, just practice aiming lower or higher, maybe stand a bit further away. It's a great weapon for chopping off heads. Be aware that if you're swinging into a thick horde, even though it will stagger an infinite number of rats, it will only inflict damage on the first two, so if you're swinging into a giant horde, you might be damaging the rats off to the side, which means even if your swing is aimed correctly to hit some rats' heads, you won't decapitate them if they aren't the first two rats your sword passes through.

Edit: Maybe practice with Kruber if you're having trouble with Sienna. He's taller and when I was learning it was a little easier to see and aim at the rats I wanted.

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

Lunethex posted:

Can someone describe to me the very peak of "Elf Pubbie"? What traits embody the worst of that encounter

Friendly fires you down with the hagbane bow, then runs ahead and steals the health. Not wearing the hedge wizard trinket.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Mzbundifund posted:

maybe stand a bit further away.

Yeah this is why I hate headshot melee weapons. I figured this was required. Even with the charged rapier you just hit the back I guess instead of the shoulder. Hitting with the tip of the weapon is something I have very little control over with the rats charging me typically.

I'll just continue to swear by the flaming sword since its regular attacks are completely serviceable and I have bomb rear end traits on it.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Ignite Memories posted:

Friendly fires you down with the hagbane bow, then runs ahead and steals the health. Not wearing the hedge wizard trinket.

Shouting In textbox about how nobody is helping them when they've run half a mile ahead and been ganked by a gutter runner and pack master

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

After running ahead and bunnyhopping incessantly, they turn around and silently stare at the rest of the team fighting rats that came in from behind while refusing to help. You can take your pick of trying to fight closer to pubbelf and getting hagbaned repeatedly, or going at your own pace and fighting with a team of 3 as pubbelf is half a kilometer away repeatedly pinging a tome but refusing to pick it up. Finally the karma runner spawns, some choice words are typed in chat followed by a disconnect notification, you rescue the respawned elf who is now a bot, and a fresh pubbelf joins into the slot anew to start the next cycle.

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Watching you approach a straggler and then putting an arrow through the both of you because obviously you're not capable of killing a single goddamn clan rat on your own

Though admittedly that is a hell of a lot of Bright Wizards too.

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.
WAYWATCHER, IF YOU HIT ME ONCE MORE...

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The core of Elf Pubby is thinking she is the Ranged Specialist and never using her loving blender sword and dagger because 'I am the elf I strike from afar as master of the bow'

Syrnn
Aug 16, 2004

Night10194 posted:

The core of Elf Pubby is thinking she is the Ranged Specialist and never using her loving blender sword and dagger because 'I am the elf I strike from afar as master of the bow'

I played Vermintide for the first time since last spring yesterday to show a buddy the ropes, and indeed, every pubby joining was an impatient elf who split from the party at every opportunity and used their bow in melee range during hordes only to drop the instant that they got downed. All I could tell him to assuage his frustrations was "Welcome to Vermintide."

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer
Sometimes it is worth it to play the elf to avoid pubbie elves. They can be that bad.

What would y'all say are the equivalents to the pubbie elf with the other characters? I occasionally run into a commandorf, but most pubbies tend to stick with the group unless they're the elf.

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

That's not anything close to exclusive to the elf though. It's easily my biggest complaint about the state of the game. You can win often enough just playing Hexen 2015 that shitloads of people on Nightmare have no idea how to fight with melee or how to exercise discretion with ranged.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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the doom dwarf is an outstanding institution in the world of vermintide

insanityv2
May 15, 2011

I'm gay
Never leaving the ammo box during the big hold out/carry the mcguffin set peices. Makes a new strangler or gutter runner friend.


Team wipes as my other pubbies leave the group to try and play hero and go save him.

OR

Flames the team as we let him die.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Nehru the Damaja posted:

That's not anything close to exclusive to the elf though. It's easily my biggest complaint about the state of the game. You can win often enough just playing Hexen 2015 that shitloads of people on Nightmare have no idea how to fight with melee or how to exercise discretion with ranged.

You've complained about this over and over and it has made no sense every time. Nightmare has a skill floor just like any other difficulty, who knew? Why does this matter?

el dingo
Mar 19, 2009


Ogres are like onions
I play nightmare and I exercise no fucken discretion with my ranged weapon. I came here to blunderbuss some ratties in the face :colbert:

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Digirat posted:

You've complained about this over and over and it has made no sense every time. Nightmare has a skill floor just like any other difficulty, who knew? Why does this matter?

And each time I don't get what's so hard to understand about saying it's not fun to have to dodge friendly fire all day and then be the last man standing when cooljames.soccer02 finds out a handgun is a poor tool for a horde wave. Too bad he had the second grim. Guess I'm running this map a second time to finish the contract.

el dingo posted:

I play nightmare and I exercise no fucken discretion with my ranged weapon. I came here to blunderbuss some ratties in the face :colbert:

By saving it for specific targets, you're already exercising infinitely more discretion.

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Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

Johnny Joestar posted:

the doom dwarf is an outstanding institution in the world of vermintide
The Doom Dwarf is entirely different than the commandorf. One is a noble creature that brings joy to the team and the other is an idiot that dies alone in a sewer.

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