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Azathoth posted:having been in HS when it happened, finding this out later in life was absolutely rage inducing like 99% of news stories that are sensationalist at all are like this, it sucks.
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AmeriKKKa: We don't negotiate with terrorists! Also AmeriKKKa: https://twitter.com/AmericanIndian8/status/1261023513022009347
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staticman posted:AmeriKKKa: We don't negotiate with terrorists! now to be fair, complete capitulation without discussion is not a negotiation
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I remember that one of the shooter's parents have never testified or been interviewed and moved away immediately after the killings happened, unlike the parents of the other shooter, who shared a lot of information about their home life. After learning about the shooters' Hitler obsession, I wondered if maybe they were white supremacists and didn't want anyone noticing the connections between the environment their kid was raised in and his crimes. There's a really interesting book / academic paper / dissertation waiting to be written on Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold as violent reactionary archetypes. Harris was a psychopath obsessed with violence and Nazis, and was definitely the driver behind the massacre. As much as I hate deterministic thinking with regards to human behavior, Harris was absolutely going to try some kind of attack, with or without Klebold, and by the point he was acquiring his arsenal, it was only a question of whether he'd get caught before he decided to act. Klebold was angry, depressed, and easily led, the exact kind of person that today would just as easily fall into the violent militia chud life or become a dyed-in-the-wool socialist, depending on who gave him personal validation first. I don't mean to excuse Klebold or diminish his culpability in the planning and execution of the massacre, just that he is very representative of a big segment of the population alienated by capitalism and he just had the bad luck of getting connected with a budding psychopath hell bent on murder.
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staticman posted:AmeriKKKa: We don't negotiate with terrorists! What if they just did the session over zoom
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Azathoth posted:having been in HS when it happened, finding this out later in life was absolutely rage inducing this book is good and enraging https://www.amazon.com/Columbine-Dave-Cullen/dp/0446546925
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Azathoth posted:There's a really interesting book / academic paper / dissertation waiting to be written on Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold as violent reactionary archetypes. Kind of like the Tsarnaev brothers also. And the 9/11 hijackers. The whole 1990s-2000s were a germinating period for disaffected young men with a sense of entitlement and an inability to get laid. It’s just that in the US we chose to attribute the violence to Islam and ignore the domestic strain.
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Neon Noodle posted:Kind of like the Tsarnaev brothers also. And the 9/11 hijackers. The whole 1990s-2000s were a germinating period for disaffected young men with a sense of entitlement and an inability to get laid. It’s just that in the US we chose to attribute the violence to Islam and ignore the domestic strain. Yeah, I'm reminded that while Islamic State was growing across Iraq and Syria, someone wrote a long piece on how the vast majority of their recruits were petty criminals and/or disaffected losers with no job or social prospects who were almost completely non-religious, until they actually got into IS territory. The number of people who will willingly become cold-blooded killers for an attaboy is frightening.
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Iirc a good chunk of the iraqi ISIS recruits weren't even people who were too loser to get jobs, it was literally that they were refused jobs because of debaathification. Also the Coalition Provisional Authority privatizing as many public institutions as they possibly could meant that there weren't many jobs to go around, and the jobs that were available didnt pay enough to make ends meet So I guess socialism kills off armed right-wing paramilitaries at the root by making sure everyone has enough to live on
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miniscule12 posted:drat the fbi is on a roll. Also lol @ sparking a nazi revolution by killing a bunch of nazis. Great plan!
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Does anyone have a copy of Kaitlin Bennett and her intern staring at her from the background? It's a sad picture and I need my schadenfraude for the day.
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My Face When posted:Does anyone have a copy of Kaitlin Bennett God I hope not.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:God I hope not. I know that poo poo will get everywhere.
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Azathoth posted:Yeah, I'm reminded that while Islamic State was growing across Iraq and Syria, someone wrote a long piece on how the vast majority of their recruits were petty criminals and/or disaffected losers with no job or social prospects who were almost completely non-religious, until they actually got into IS territory. The number of people who will willingly become cold-blooded killers for an attaboy is frightening. There was a superb article / longform piece some years ago, 10 people in 10 different countries across 10 years in the Middle East. It's always stick in my mind how powerless so many of them were, and how few opportunities they had. Especially the Daesh recruit who was an unskilled labourer who joined because they paid well and offered a career structure and stability.
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I had a coworker who grew up in North Carolina. He told me about how recruiters for hate groups would hang around high schools looking out specifically for guys at the social bottom.
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Kung Food posted:guys at the social bottom. The teachers?
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Kung Food posted:I had a coworker who grew up in North Carolina. He told me about how recruiters for hate groups would hang around high schools looking out specifically for guys at the social bottom.      
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Also lol @ sparking a nazi revolution by killing a bunch of nazis. Great plan! I think on some level they have to recognize that cops are their fellow travelers, but what's always the most frustrating for people who envision a massive change in the world is that other people who think the same way aren't already doing it. Which is to say that Nazis tend to fantasize about punishing other Nazis for being too soft and complacent (and this is also a projection of their own feelings of inadequacy).
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I'm not really sure what to think of the Nazis are thinking trying to start poo poo with the cops. I remember that Waco and Ruby Ridge were a huge deal for white supremacist circles in the 90s and led fairly directly to the Oklahoma City Bombing. Maybe they're trying to set off a similar spiral of violence, this time one that'll destabilize society enough to set off the race war they've wanted for 60 years now? e: like, iirc it's a white supremacist terrorist attack that leads to the white supremacist "utopia" in The Turner Diaries
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cool dance moves posted:I'm not really sure what to think of the Nazis are thinking trying to start poo poo with the cops. I remember that Waco and Ruby Ridge were a huge deal for white supremacist circles in the 90s and led fairly directly to the Oklahoma City Bombing. Maybe they're trying to set off a similar spiral of violence, this time one that'll destabilize society enough to set off the race war they've wanted for 60 years now? laugh that they're idiots who can't even recognize their own
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theres been so many plots over the last few weeks, has there been a particular ideological shift thats made all these nazis start doing their extremely lovely and immediately foiled lone wolf terror attacks????? or are they just going stir crazy like everyone else
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Farm Frenzy posted:theres been so many plots over the last few weeks, has there been a particular ideological shift thats made all these nazis start doing their extremely lovely and immediately foiled lone wolf terror attacks????? or are they just going stir crazy like everyone else It seems like the fbi shifted from just watching them and collecting information but letting them kill their girlfriends and shoot up their schools to actively intervening to disrupt their plots, starting around the time of that gun rally in VA. Possibly it's because something is making them shift from violent acts as personal catharsis toward more narrowly targeted political acts of violence and yeah, like you say, they might just be getting antsy. The right wing has certainly expressed a greater craving for mass murder since everything's been shut down.
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cool dance moves posted:I'm not really sure what to think of the Nazis are thinking trying to start poo poo with the cops. I remember that Waco and Ruby Ridge were a huge deal for white supremacist circles in the 90s and led fairly directly to the Oklahoma City Bombing. Maybe they're trying to set off a similar spiral of violence, this time one that'll destabilize society enough to set off the race war they've wanted for 60 years now? In the 90s it was because they saw the federal government as being illegitimate because Clinton was president and controlled by zog and the UN, and they believed that martial law was immanent and going to come from the fbi and atf, which to them was separate from the military and local police, who would join in on their side. These days, it's weird because they've won. The pressure cooker can't be a democrat being in power, and they're getting more and more active the farther we get from Obama. I guess it's because their lives just keep getting worse and worse and they don't have another explanation for why.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I guess it's because their lives just keep getting worse and worse and they don't have another explanation for why. ding ding ding material conditions being lovely is a prerequisite for people to go fash in meaningful numbers. however going fash doesn’t actually solve those material conditions, it just provides a psychic balm so they can ignore them. material conditions have now gotten so bad that a merely psychic balm no longer works. especially since right wing media very effectively plays up leftist culture war victories and downplays defeats in order to make them seem like a powerful enemy and stir up rage among their viewers.
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moths posted:Is this actual alt-right propaganda? i mean there's nothing to indicate that the nazis are being portrayed unfavorably except the swastika...which, if you're a nazi, is also positive
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moths posted:Is this actual alt-right propaganda? Yes it was from an animated video they produced (with music stolen from a video game, which I was pleased to find out was not an original composition because it was catchy and I still remember it)
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moths posted:Is this actual alt-right propaganda? It was a music video set to a song by fascist vaporwave sensation CyberNazi: https://twitter.com/walaudemikian/status/1255366990686031872?s=20 Despite the credit by "2dads.tv," I don't think it's satire.
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Data Graham posted:Yes it was from an animated video they produced (with music stolen from a video game, which I was pleased to find out was not an original composition because it was catchy and I still remember it) It was from a House of the Dead game menu screen? I kind of remember this.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It seems like the fbi shifted from just watching them and collecting information but letting them kill their girlfriends and shoot up their schools to actively intervening to disrupt their plots, starting around the time of that gun rally in VA. Possibly it's because something is making them shift from violent acts as personal catharsis toward more narrowly targeted political acts of violence and yeah, like you say, they might just be getting antsy. The right wing has certainly expressed a greater craving for mass murder since everything's been shut down. i legit think it's because of an uptick in threats against cops can't back that uptick claim with anything statistical, but it seems they've finally learned that there's no Antifa High Command ordering around battalions of supersoldiers so they need a new organized enemy to fight against and with the pandemic on, it's cops/deputies giving them flak for spitting into each others mouths at the local playground or telling the governor that he's a godless commie for closing down supercuts i'm betting that the fbi is seeing that it's only a matter of time before one of the losers they run the "you're the leader of the local terror cell" sting on assassinates someone and they want to show that they've totally been trying to stop them
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It was a music video set to a song by fascist vaporwave sensation CyberNazi: I'd forgotten about the "open borders FOR ISRAEL" thing, a classic fash misunderstanding of what their enemy wants
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the details of the plot are like things pulled from movies. natural born killers, inglorious basterds, etc. where the crack team of murder commandos leave a survivor to tell the story of how badass the protagonists are after they dispatched the rest of the group via cool ducking and weaving moves with guns that have infinite ammo I can't help but imagine older generations had their own nerd reactionaries who just imagined themselves as like the phantom or whatever popular radio play was happening at the time. it's just now it's a lot easier to find all the details after one of them gets a hair up his rear end
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:guys i think i found an alt-right bingo you forgot one part to bold: quote:“I’m not a white nationalist, not at all. I have a lot of friends who are and I like white nationalists, but I’m not one. "how dare you associate me with people i like, respect and agree with, oh and also associate with??  "
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staticman posted:AmeriKKKa: We don't negotiate with terrorists! I like that they hope an escalation of this, where a shootout between LEOs, inspires a larger insurrection despite the fact that all evidence and history thusfar shows white americans are the most all-bark-no-bite bootlickiest human population on the earth.
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Militias and right wing terrorists in the US used to target federal agents and other apparatus of the administrative state. But almost never local cops, unless it was low-level neo-Nazi gang activity without a political ideology. The FBI are cops but they’re not who people usually think of for the “Blue Lives Matter” thing. It’s pretty widespread in the US to hate or disdain the federal government, it’s part of mainstream republican ideology. Hating cops is NOT. So if your terror cell starts talking poo poo about police and not the ATF or whatever, it seems way more likely to me that someone in your circle will inform on you. Then if/when the local cops get a tip, they’re going to send that poo poo up the chain because terrorism is under federal jurisdiction.
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Data Graham posted:Yes it was from an animated video they produced (with music stolen from a video game, which I was pleased to find out was not an original composition because it was catchy and I still remember it)
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miniscule12 posted:Who was the tiny brain who thought I was being serious and not referencing a now deleted tweet of someone trying to defend drinking your own pee? lmao
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