Lawyer & Law School Megathread #12: Started Out Barrister, Ended Up Barista

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entris: Oct 22, 2008; by Y Kant Ozma Post

http://www.gulawweekly.org/news/2011/3/18/outgoing-sba-leader-sounds-alarm-over-latest-us-news-ranking.html

quote:

Outgoing (GULC) SBA leader sounds alarm over latest U.S. News rankings

Outgoing SBA president William Broderick-Villa is sounding the alarm over Georgetown Law�s status in the latest U.S. News & World Report ranking of the best American law schools. In comments to the Law Weekly, Broderick-Villa expressed strong concern that the Law Center could soon fall out of the vaunted �T14� category. He also offered detailed recommendations for what Georgetown Law should do to avoid such a fate.

�I do not like sharing the #14 spot with Texas one bit,� Broderick-Villa, 3L, said when asked for his reaction to the U.S. News rankings. In the latest report, the University of Texas at Austin tied Georgetown for the fourteenth spot, a position Georgetown previously claimed to itself.

�Frankly,� the SBA president continued, �I wouldn�t even like having the #14 spot unshared. Last year Georgetown Law merited special distinction from USNWR in seven law specialties out of ten (for comparison, Harvard only had three specialty programs ranked, while Yale and Stanford only had two apiece). We have strong programs (including the #1 ranked Clinical education and Part-Time programs in the country) but we need to be doing a better job of selling our strengths (and vigorously addressing our weaknesses).�

Broderick-Villa is also concerned that this development could represent the first step towards the Law Center falling out of the �T14,� a symbolic category that carries significant importance among some students, schools, and employers.

�And I think students share this concern,� he added. �I�ve heard student tell me for awhile they fear that Texas will overtake us. And Texas is hungry. I think USNWR is trying to telegraph us a message: �Either get with the program or get left behind.� We need to take the message to heart and start making some serious changes (outlined below).

When asked if law students worry about U.S. News rankings too much, Broderick responded, �On the contrary, I think at Georgetown we don�t worry about them enough. I�ve heard all the arguments� �Rankings are arbitrary�� Who is USNWR to tell us how to make decisions?�� The fact is rankings matter. Period.�

He continued, �I understand there is a generational divide, and many professors grew up in a time when there was no such thing as rankings. That luxury no longer exists, and we need to engage professors in this conversation. I am particularly unimpressed by the �arbitrary� argument. Life is full of arbitrary measures. So what? If a Con Law professor decides he wants to focus the bulk of his final on Campaign Finance (as opposed to the 14th Amendment), then that�s what gets measured, and complaining won�t do you any good.�

He further explained, �A champion decathlete doesn�t say, �It�s arbitrary to weight so much of my score for a good javelin throw and so much for a good high jump.� No! He studies the point break down, emphasizes his strengths and works on his weaknesses. Incidentally, I think the new Dean is acutely aware of the importance rankings play both psychologically and in fact, and he understands the point break downs. But we have miles to go in terms of educating many of our professors about USNWR.�

Georgetown Law, Broderick-Villa said, must now take several key steps. First, he said, the university must �stop pretending rankings don�t matter.� Secondly, Georgetown must �understand the rankings. Third, �learn our strengths and attack our weaknesses.� He also emphasized that the administration must more effectively collect and propagate positive data about the school.

Regarding his first suggested step�acknowledging the importance of rankings and understanding them�Broderick-Villa said, �I�ve heard a couple of senior professionals who work for Georgetown Law express complaints about the rankings, but when I pressed them they couldn�t even tell me the weighted percentage breakdown of rankings (this goes for some students too). If you want to complain about rankings, fine, but at least understand them first.�

He said, �So for Georgetown Law, Selectivity is a strength (last time Dean Cornblatt reported it to me, I believe our student body was ranked #7 overall in terms of selectivity based on LSAT scores, GPA, etc). BUT SELECTIVITY ONLY COUNTS 25%!!! And Reputation counts 40%!!! What does that mean?�

He continued, �A questionnaire is sent to Judges and State Attorneys General asking them what they think about law schools. This counts 15% of our score. Another questionnaire is sent to law school deans and their assessment counts 25%. What are we doing to influence these thought leaders (and to spread the message about how selective our student body is)? Almost nothing.�

Broderick-Villa analogized Georgetown to other private institutions, saying, �Corporations and churches know that to survive you have to advertise or proselytize as the case may be, but somehow we feel that bragging about all our accomplishments is beneath us (and I have utmost respect for Jesuit modesty, but there are some phenomenal things going on here and it�s time we spread the message).�

He continued, �Incidentally, even if there were no such thing as US News and World Reports, this is something I believe we should be doing ANYWAY. We should be proactively contacting Judges and State Attorneys General (and all legal practitioners while we�re at it) and telling them how remarkable our students are, how great our faculty is, and how cutting edge our program is. This would help us get more jobs and more donations. And getting more jobs would also help us on USNWR (it�s 18% of the overall ranking, but again, we should be doing this ANYWAY even if there were no such thing as USNWR).

Of the potential for increasing donations, he said, �Donations aren�t directly factored in the law ranking (it is in the undergrad ranking, which helps us indirectly, and also per student expenditures do help with our law ranking). We need to learn to sell ourselves better, in a strategic way.�

The next step Georgetown administration should take, Broderick-Villa said, is to focus on effectively collecting and propagating data about the institution.

�As my principal used to say, �Here, data is sacred.� I want Georgetown Law to become a place where data is sacred. I would like to see OCS keep real time data of who is and isn�t employed (and to start vigorously targeting outreach based on this data). I would like to see the major departments keep lists of best practices in their respective departments at other law schools so we know what to copy, change or improve. I would like to see professors analyze course evaluations methodically in order to share best practices with one another. And I would like to see us keep data on outreach efforts made to Judges, Law Deans and State Attorneys General.�

The result of this, he said, will be an improved status in the U.S. News ranking. �Once Georgetown Law becomes a place where data is sacred, I have no doubt that our rank in the USNWR will jump. But to do that we�ll have to overcome the stereotypical lawyerly aversion to numbers and statistics�we will have to revere data. And, kicking or screaming, we will have to overcome our aversion to USNWR rankings.�

Broderick-Villa also used success stories from his work as a high school teacher and undergraduate years as good examples of how his theories work in action. Those comments are reproduced in full below.

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Soothing Vapors: Mar 26, 2006; Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

ah yes, a coordinated telemarketing campaign harassing potential USNews voters: just what Georgetown needs

# ? Mar 22, 2011 18:45

Elotana: Dec 12, 2003; and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account

quote:

Once Georgetown Law becomes a place where data is sacred, I have no doubt that our rank in the USNWR will jump.

Speaking as a UT alum this is an excellent plan and I wish GULC all the best :smugdog:

# ? Mar 22, 2011 18:49

Roger_Mudd: Jul 18, 2003; Buglord

William Broderick-Villa sounds like a cool dood to just chill with.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 18:59

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

Soothing Vapors posted:

ah yes, a coordinated telemarketing campaign harassing potential USNews voters: just what Georgetown needs

You're telling me GULC doesn't already send out law-porn brochures?

# ? Mar 22, 2011 19:13

Hippokleides: Mar 20, 2011; by Ozma

entris posted:

http://www.gulawweekly.org/news/2011/3/18/outgoing-sba-leader-sounds-alarm-over-latest-us-news-ranking.html

�A champion decathlete doesn�t say, �It�s arbitrary to weight so much of my score for a good javelin throw and so much for a good high jump.� No! He studies the point break down, emphasizes his strengths and works on his weaknesses."

A champion catamite doesn't say, "it's arbitrary that men prefer my front, rather than my rear." No! He just places an emphasis on face to face service, and works on toning his behind.

Law and education are not unimportant, recreational sports. Improving my tennis game doesn't involve the sort of moral and grave questions that are faced when one is studying or pursuing a career.

Tennis and decathlons have little bearing on the quality of man and what ought to be valued.

Hippokleides fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Mar 22, 2011

# ? Mar 22, 2011 19:17

entris: Oct 22, 2008; by Y Kant Ozma Post

Hippokleides posted:

A champion catamite doesn't say, "it's arbitrary that men prefer my front, rather than my rear." No! He just places an emphasis on face to face service, and works on toning his behind.

This might be the best Grumblefish iteration yet.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 19:45

Solomon Grundy: Feb 10, 2007; Born on a Monday

Now I know why Sam Glover has been so quiet lately:

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/03/lawsuit-of-the-day-a-big-fight-over-small-law/#more-63912

He has been cooking up a big batch of whoop-rear end.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 20:32

G-Mawwwwwww: Jan 31, 2003; My LPth are Hot Garbage; Biscuit Hider

Today's lesson:

In a plaintiff situation where counter-claims are involved, try and negotiate so that you are contingency for your client's claims but switch over to hourly if your claims are summarily judged out and you are forced to be a pure defense lawyer.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 21:13

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

entris posted:

This might be the best Grumblefish iteration yet.

Don't encourage him.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 21:20

sigmachiev: Dec 31, 2007; Fighting blood excels

The Dagda posted:

For real. The Mission District in SF gets talked up a lot for its Mexican food, and there's some good stuff there, but the place to be for tacos in the area is on International Ave. in Oakland. There's tons of little unnamed taco trucks serving awesome tacos and tortas, especially as you get closer to Fruitvale.

I gotta hit both of these. Berkeley is worthless for tacos.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 21:42

BigHead: Jul 25, 2003; Huh?; Nap Ghost

sigmachiev posted:

I gotta hit both of these. Berkeley is worthless for tacos.

At you least have tacos. Minnesota didn't have a single taco stand anywhere

We had extremely bitchin' gyros though.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 21:54

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

BigHead posted:

At you least have tacos. Minnesota didn't have a single taco stand anywhere

We had extremely bitchin' gyros though.

There were one or two decent ones on Lake Street. Well, its Minneapolis, they're not stands, they're inside, but still.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 22:17

TheImmigrant: Jan 18, 2011

BigHead posted:

At you least have tacos. Minnesota didn't have a single taco stand anywhere

There are a couple of taco trucks now, and Barrio at 10th and Nicollet is outstanding. Not to mention places like Hacienda or La Pineda or Manny's, on East Lake.

# ? Mar 22, 2011 22:44

Phil Moscowitz: Feb 19, 2007; If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

Hippokleides posted:

A champion catamite doesn't say, "it's arbitrary that men prefer my front, rather than my rear." No! He just places an emphasis on face to face service, and works on toning his behind.

lmao

# ? Mar 22, 2011 23:38

Defleshed: Nov 18, 2004; F is for... FREEDOM

Hippokleides posted:

A champion catamite doesn't say, "it's arbitrary that men prefer my front, rather than my rear." No! He just places an emphasis on face to face service, and works on toning his behind.

The effort here is truly worth noting. I look forward to every Grumblefish iteration.

# ? Mar 23, 2011 02:10

prussian advisor: Jan 15, 2007; The day you see a camera come into our courtroom, its going to roll over my dead body.

Grumblefish owns, gently caress any and all haters.

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CmdrSmirnoff: Oct 27, 2005; happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy

Defleshed posted:

The effort here is truly worth noting. I look forward to every Grumblefish iteration.

Yeah, Grumbles owns.

Tacochat: there are very few great taco places in the Toronto area. But Chinese? My God, it's wonderful. Many don't even have anything in English. I just left one place where the other clientele were laughing at me for using a fork though :smith:

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Direwolf: Aug 16, 2004; Fwar

CmdrSmirnoff posted:

Yeah, Grumbles owns.

Tacochat: there are very few great taco places in the Toronto area. But Chinese? My God, it's wonderful. Many don't even have anything in English. I just left one place where the other clientele were laughing at me for using a fork though

You deserved that :colbert:

chopsticks or gtfo.

Reraising question, tacos in Newark, anyone? Any idea? Also: safe places to park in Newark?

# ? Mar 23, 2011 02:59

G-Mawwwwwww: Jan 31, 2003; My LPth are Hot Garbage; Biscuit Hider

Direwolf posted:

You deserved that chopsticks or gtfo.

When I was in Cambodia, I had a crowd of people pointing and laughing at the way I used chopsticks.

:smith:

# ? Mar 23, 2011 03:19

Ainsley McTree: Feb 19, 2004

CmdrSmirnoff posted:

Yeah, Grumbles owns.

Tacochat: there are very few great taco places in the Toronto area. But Chinese? My God, it's wonderful. Many don't even have anything in English. I just left one place where the other clientele were laughing at me for using a fork though

I can like barely eat sushi with chopsticks, that's how poo poo I am with them. I had miso soup a while back and it took until about halfway through the meal before it occurred to me to just lift the drat bowl up closer to my mouth rather than dropping noodles all over my lap. I'd probably starve to death if I went to Asia.

# ? Mar 23, 2011 04:04

G-Mawwwwwww: Jan 31, 2003; My LPth are Hot Garbage; Biscuit Hider

Ainsley McTree posted:

I can like barely eat sushi with chopsticks, that's how poo poo I am with them. I had miso soup a while back and it took until about halfway through the meal before it occurred to me to just lift the drat bowl up closer to my mouth rather than dropping noodles all over my lap. I'd probably starve to death if I went to Asia.

Eat sushi with your hands.

Eat sashimi with chopsticks.

# ? Mar 23, 2011 04:08

Abugadu: Jul 12, 2004; 1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

CaptainScraps posted:

Eat sushi with your hands.

Eat sashimi with chopsticks.

Here is the definitive How To video for all of that, with all the attendant protocol that goes along with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b75cl4-qRE

# ? Mar 23, 2011 04:57

shirts and skins: Jun 25, 2007; Good morning!

The Dagda posted:

For real. The Mission District in SF gets talked up a lot for its Mexican food, and there's some good stuff there, but the place to be for tacos in the area is on International Ave. in Oakland. There's tons of little unnamed taco trucks serving awesome tacos and tortas, especially as you get closer to Fruitvale.

Word to the wise, go during the day - I'm from Oakland and it's not as bad as it's reputation, but it's still better not to be a bewildered out-of-towner wandering around that part of Oakland at night.

Awesome, thanks! I'll be sure to check it out. Can't wait for some fuckin' tacos!

# ? Mar 23, 2011 05:04

Abugadu: Jul 12, 2004; 1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

And for chopstick-holding specifically,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j28Rz2P9LXA

Not as many subtitles as the previous video, but you can figure it out pretty easily.

# ? Mar 23, 2011 05:09

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Abugadu posted:

Here is the definitive How To video for all of that, with all the attendant protocol that goes along with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b75cl4-qRE

There's also a spergy goon thread about it in AT somewhere right now.

# ? Mar 23, 2011 05:37

Leif.: Mar 27, 2005; Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

I want to know more. Why won't they tell me how this ends?

Some intrepid goon -- find a copy of this depo?

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/03/18/what-is-a-copy-machine-presenting-a-deposition-for-the-ages/

# ? Mar 23, 2011 07:58

Jahoodie: Jun 27, 2005; Wooo.... college!

Direwolf posted:

You deserved that chopsticks or gtfo.

Reraising question, tacos in Newark, anyone? Any idea? Also: safe places to park in Newark?

Comedy answer: nowhere. Real answer- if you're going to Shu Law you'll probably need to use a lot and pay for it. There is a bubble created by the colleges in Newark, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be a few years ago... but don't leave the bubble.

(Also go to Tops Dinner instead of tacos)

Jahoodie fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Mar 25, 2011

# ? Mar 23, 2011 08:04

Macnigore: Aug 9, 2008

Enigma89 posted:

Well I want to thank this thread from saving me from a looming doom on my life.

This thread scared me enough where I decided to apply for my masters program in France. I just had an interview with a graduate school in France and got accepted as an international student in their business and management masters program. Instead of paying $150,000 a year for a 3 years JD program. I will be paying a total of 18,000 EUR for a masters program that will set me up with an internship and probable job in Europe.

Life feels great when you have dodged a bullet.

I'm curious about that, which one is it, and in which school ?

Is it a MS or a graduate program ?

Funnily enough you picked maybe THE most expensive type of program in France (1 year "mast�re sp�cialis�", usually created by business schools for outsiders, in parallel to their "classical" program in 3 or 4 years)....

, even business schools programs which last 3 years, cost on average 15k euros for the 3 years.

Anyway if you need infos about France, Paris in general etc: pseudo at gmail.com

Macnigore fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Mar 23, 2011

# ? Mar 23, 2011 10:46

entris: Oct 22, 2008; by Y Kant Ozma Post

SWATJester posted:

I want to know more. Why won't they tell me how this ends?

Some intrepid goon -- find a copy of this depo?

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/03/18/what-is-a-copy-machine-presenting-a-deposition-for-the-ages/

That is fantastic.

I love the part where the defendant's lawyer makes the claim that the meaning of the term "photocopying machine" is a legal conclusion. Really? There's Ohio case law out there that determines the meaning of that phrase? Can you imagine how incredibly dull those cases would be?

# ? Mar 23, 2011 13:31

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

SWATJester posted:

I want to know more. Why won't they tell me how this ends?

Some intrepid goon -- find a copy of this depo?

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/03/18/what-is-a-copy-machine-presenting-a-deposition-for-the-ages/

The news article has a little more:

"Cleveland Plain Dealer posted:

Marburger: Do you have a secretary?

Patterson: No.

Marburger: Does anybody there have a secretary?

Patterson: Yes.

Marburger: Have you ever heard a secretary use the term "photocopy"?

Patterson: No.

Marburger: Have you ever--do you have machines there where I can put in a paper document, push a button or two, and out will come copies of that paper document also on paper? Do you have such a machine?

Patterson: Yes, sir.

Marburger: What do you call that machine?

Patterson: Xerox.

Marburger: Xerox. Is the machine made by the Xerox Company? Is that why it's called Xerox?

Patterson: No.

Marburger: So Xerox, in the parlance that you've described, the language that you've described, is being used generically as opposed to describing a particular brand; is that right?

Patterson: All of my life I've just known people to say Xerox. It's not commonplace to use the terminology that you're using.

Marburger: You mean it's more -- people say Xerox instead of photocopy?

Patterson: If you're referring to a type of machine where you place a piece of paper on the top and press a button and out comes copies of it, they usually refer to it as a Xerox.

Marburger: Have you ever heard it referred to as photocopying?

Patterson: Not with my generation, no.

Reminds me of a lot of cross-examinations of cops. But if you just let them talk rather than trying to embarrass them, the cop himself will convince the jury that he's a jerk. (Instead of the poor cop getting beaten up by the mean lawyer)

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srsly: Aug 1, 2003

Kozinski

quote:

Saints may always tell the truth, but for mortals living
means lying. We lie to protect our privacy (�No, I don�t live
around here�); to avoid hurt feelings (�Friday is my study
night�); to make others feel better (�Gee you�ve gotten
skinny�); to avoid recriminations (�I only lost $10 at poker�); to
prevent grief (�The doc says you�re getting better�); to
maintain domestic tranquility (�She�s just a friend�); to avoid
social stigma (�I just haven�t met the right woman�); for
career advancement (�I�m sooo lucky to have a smart boss
like you�); to avoid being lonely (�I love opera�); to eliminate
a rival (�He has a boyfriend�); to achieve an objective (�But
I love you so much�); to defeat an objective (�I�m allergic to
latex�); to make an exit (�It�s not you, it�s me�); to delay the
inevitable (�The check is in the mail�); to communicate
displeasure (�There�s nothing wrong�); to get someone off your
back (�I�ll call you about lunch�); to escape a nudnik (�My
mother�s on the other line�); to namedrop (�We go way
back�); to set up a surprise party (�I need help moving the
piano�); to buy time (�I�m on my way�); to keep up
appearances (�We�re not talking divorce�); to avoid taking out the
trash (�My back hurts�); to duck an obligation (�I�ve got a
headache�); to maintain a public image (�I go to church every
Sunday�); to make a point (�Ich bin ein Berliner�); to save
face (�I had too much to drink�); to humor (�Correct as usual,
King Friday�); to avoid embarrassment (�That wasn�t me�);
to curry favor (�I�ve read all your books�); to get a clerkship
(�You�re the greatest living jurist�); to save a dollar (�I gave
at the office�); or to maintain innocence (�There are eight tiny
reindeer on the rooftop�).

quote:

Without the robust protections of the First Amendment, the white
lies, exaggerations and deceptions that are an integral part of
human intercourse would become targets of censorship, subject
only to the rubber stamp known as �rational basis review.�

# ? Mar 23, 2011 17:15

Lilosh: Jul 13, 2001; I'm Lilosh with an OSHY

mrtoodles posted:

Kozinski

Nice, what was the case about? Did someone really suggest lies weren't covered by the first amendment? Was it in a "lying to the police" context or something?

# ? Mar 23, 2011 17:18

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

Lilosh posted:

Nice, what was the case about? Did someone really suggest lies weren't covered by the first amendment? Was it in a "lying to the police" context or something?

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/03/21/35103.htm

quote:

Faced with a criminal indictment, Xavier Alvarez pleaded guilty to violating the Stolen Valor Act by telling his colleagues on a water district board in Los Angeles that he had been in the Marines for 25 years and had been awarded the Medal of Honor in 1987.

# ? Mar 23, 2011 18:04

Defleshed: Nov 18, 2004; F is for... FREEDOM

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/03/21/35103.htm

This guy was over the top.

Huh? Of this thing, yeah, I got it during an embassy bombing. Yeah I saved the Iranian ambassador, got shot going back for the flag though. :fsmug:

Honestly though this seems pretty clear that the 9th Circuit is in the right here. If it is constitutional for Fred Phelps to hang out outside funerals and claim some PFC caught an IED because of gay marriage, then it is constitutional for some sleasy shithead to try and get laid by claiming to have been awarded the Medal of Honor (apparently to really gullible women without internet connections).

# ? Mar 23, 2011 20:45

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Defleshed posted:

Honestly though this seems pretty clear that the 9th Circuit is in the right here. If it is constitutional for Fred Phelps to hang out outside funerals and claim some PFC caught an IED because of gay marriage, then it is constitutional for some sleasy shithead to try and get laid by claiming to have been awarded the Medal of Honor (apparently to really gullible women without internet connections).

I would support a rule that anything said in pursuit of consensual sex is protected speech.

# ? Mar 23, 2011 22:01

BigHead: Jul 25, 2003; Huh?; Nap Ghost

nm posted:

I would support a rule that anything said in pursuit of consensual sex is protected speech.

What's the citation to that case where some random guy masqueraded as an OB-GYN, obtained written consent forms from his "patients," and was then convicted of rape?

# ? Mar 23, 2011 22:18

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

So the PD's Office i was volunteering for is expecting to lay off 30 attorneys. Many of whom are quite a few years out of law school and have kids.

Don't go to law school.

# ? Mar 23, 2011 22:59

Ersatz: Sep 17, 2005

mrtoodles posted:

Kozinski

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Hippokleides: Mar 20, 2011; by Ozma

nm posted:

So the PD's Office i was volunteering for is expecting to lay off 30 attorneys. Many of whom are quite a few years out of law school and have kids.

Don't go to law school.

Looks like our state beat your state:

http://wjbc.com/state-jobs-cut-due-to-end-of-death-penalty/
http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/article_0fcdfb2e-51ca-11e0-980a-001cc4c03286.html

37 appellate defenders went down with the death penalty. For the prosecution side of things, we did not have a dedicated death department, and I'm not aware of any losses.

Hippokleides fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Mar 24, 2011

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