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kloa
Feb 14, 2007


Can you have reliability and wow-factor in a single bike/brand?

Everyone makes out Honda to be reliable, aldeit boring. Then on the other end are things like Superdukes but people loling at the thought of their reliability.

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Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I had an epiphany the other day. I’m also very laser focused on my bikes being reliable, to the point that I’ve sold them for perceived unreliability, even just a little bit, and I finally figured out why, the root cause.

Story time.

My first bike was an Arctic Cat 50cc minibike with a Sachs motor. It made me fall in love with riding and made me realize that I never wanted to not be riding.

It was also supremely, unfathomably unreliable. The primary culprit was the pull start recoil. The spring would break and the pull cord would fail to wind back up so if you didn’t start it on the first try you were boned when the recoil spring went. And it always went.

It was also unreliable in that it would sometimes randomly stall and being an automatic, it could do that at 15mph and the motor would just quit, no bump starting it. This was all of course pre-internet, so there was no forum full of boomer Arctic Cat greybeards waiting with the perfect fix for the recoil issue, you just fixed it and waited.

My parents lived on a street with a dead end and acres upon acres of forest at the end of the street. It was privately owned but we asked the owner if I could ride on it and he said as long as I didn’t intentionally ruin anything, I could have the whole thing for riding (this was the 80’s and apparently we were all much less lawsuit-prone)

So every time the bike stalled and the pull starter broke, it was time to push that thing a mile or more over hills, through mud, weeds, trees and heat in dirt bike gear. I hated it. I was an only child and it was the 80’s so my parents were back at home doing I guess coke or whatever and the only other kid I knew with a mini bike was for some unknowable reason not into riding it so I always rode alone. It was on me to get the bike home. I HAD to ride though, so I toughed it out.

Then, down the road I got a Yamaha 360 RT3, a real ripper of an enduro known nowadays (remember, no internet back then) for endless hot starting problems. The 360 was faaaaaast. So I crashed and stalled a lot. And couldn’t get it started when it was hot. Back to doing the arctic cat walk of shame. It got so bad on the 360 that I just rode it super conservatively so I wouldn’t drop it and/or stall it and could keep it running. Pissed me off to no end.

Then Craigslist came about eventually and I bought and flipped bikes for a living for a while. I realized that I could make bikes extremely reliable, assuming they could be made reliable at all. I learned to recognize good engineering and reliable engineering and how to keep it that way.

I never looked back. The PTSD from pushing hot heavy
bikes out of hot, cramped forest day after day because it was the trade off I made in order to ride for a bit never left me.

Thanks for being so patient in this Burger King drive thru

I enjoyed this story. Please tell more stories.

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib

kloa posted:

Can you have reliability and wow-factor in a single bike/brand?


Yes they are called Suzukis.



Steakandchips posted:

I enjoyed this story. Please tell more stories.

I agree with this person please share more.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002

Steakandchips posted:

I enjoyed this story. Please tell more stories.

Same. Also made me relive growing up in the 80's and 90's while my mom killed car after car and realizing I have car hypochondria as a result.
The list:
-1980 AMC Concord
-1975 Chevy C10
-1973 Mercury Capri
-1976 Pontiac Lemans
-1981 Chevy Citation
-1983 Ford Escort Light Blue
-1980's Yugo
-1983 Ford Escort White
-1976 Dodge Aspen (with the slant six yes those can be killed)
-1985 Nissan Sentra
-1980 AMC Spirit White
-1980 AMC Spirit Dark Blue
-1999 Chevrolet Cavalier
-1989 Pontiac 6000
-Some year brand new Hyundia Elantra. This was by the time Hyundia's were excellent cars, so 2010+

I think this got all the cars she wrecked and destroyed. The document I pulled this list from was dated in 2012 but I think it still covers all them.

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002

kloa posted:

Can you have reliability and wow-factor in a single bike/brand?

Everyone makes out Honda to be reliable, aldeit boring. Then on the other end are things like Superdukes but people loling at the thought of their reliability.

Sure. All three of the other Japanese manufacturers make bikes that have some wow factor to them, depending on what you're looking for, while still being reliable (Suzuki hasn't figured out how to make bolts that won't rust, though). Modern Hondas just tend to be really dull.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Steakandchips posted:

I enjoyed this story. Please tell more stories.

A good story.

In a similar vein: my first real proper bike that I owned was a gsxr250 like this:



17,000rpm 4 cylinder sportbike! Cool right?

WRONG.

Putting aside the miserable brakes and nonexistent suspension, which we can attribute to age and lifestyle, it was a terribly unreliable vehicle. It had two twin barrel carbs instead of the more standard four individual ones, tuning is terrible even if you know what you're doing, which I didn't at the time, the engine is ridiculously sensitive to tiny changes and the tacho starts at 3,000rpm. After the umpteenth time of playing with them and the plugs to get it going, one of the plug threads (tiny, 8x1mm threads) pulled out. No problem, I stuffed a string down the hole with the piston at tdc, helicoiled the thread, loctited the plug in.

Then the stator burned out and I was lucky enough to get a second-hand one, which also burned out, so I got another second hand one and sold the bike.

What's really weird is that I got into bikes because of my mate getting an rs250 Aprilia and, being a car mechanic at the time, what impressed me the most was the quality of the fittings and castings etc, which I got to see lots of because it was constantly broken. I got the gixxer because I figured 250, sportbike, pretty much the same right?

None of this put me off and when I got my second bike, a cbr400, it was mindboggling to me because of how incredibly fast, good-handling, well made and reliable it was. Up until that point I thought sportbikes were like Italian cars and being mostly broken most of the time was normal. Naturally I wrote it off in a spectacular crash.



Rev in peace little angel :qq:

captainOrbital
Jan 23, 2003

Wrathchild!
💢🧒

Coredump posted:

Same. Also made me relive growing up in the 80's and 90's while my mom killed car after car and realizing I have car hypochondria as a result.
The list:


Holy poo poo after that nightmare list no wonder she got a Yugo. It was foretold

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Coydog posted:

I agree with this person please share more.

I have lots of bike stories. I can type some up when I’m not phoneposting

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

When I was 19 I had an '88 GSXR-400SP with this exact livery and I loved it, but my mechanic definitely did not. One of the carb floats getting pierced by something and sinking, causing it to die at idle (so I'd have to turn the idle up to like 3.5k and annoy everyone at stoplights). The fork seals were shot as well. And since it's a greybike my mechanic was pulling his hair out trying to source the parts. Not to mention the time someone made a left turn in front of me (not how you think; he was parked on the right side of the street) and she ended up leaking fuel and oil all over the road while I got in the guy's face and a witness separated us. I loved that bike so much though, right up until she got stolen out of my driveway in '07. :(

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

It*

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001





Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Aug 28, 2020

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Requesting name change to Punchy.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

:jerkbag:

"i didnt gently caress my bike. i didnt cum on my bike. i didnt put my dick anywhere near my bike. Ive never done anything weird with my bikes."

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

If I can't call you a oval office you can't call your bike she, that's equality m8.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Slavvy posted:

Requesting name change to Punchy.

Mooooodddddsss!




Wait....

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Yeah calling inanimate objects “she” is gross. Please don’t

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Better tell the Navy.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Mister Speaker posted:

Better tell the Navy.

All western navies are in denial. Russia, on the other hand, uses male ship pronouns because they embraced the gay about a hundred years ago.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Yeah calling inanimate objects “she” is gross. Please don’t

Lol how is it “gross”

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

right arm posted:

Lol how is it “gross”

Again,

Slavvy posted:

If I can't call you a oval office you can't call your bike she, that's equality m8.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




right arm posted:

Lol how is it “gross”

Of all posters I’m least surprised that you asked this question.

If anyone really truly doesn’t know I guess I can google it for you?????


Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Aug 29, 2020

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Coydog posted:

Yes they are called Suzukis.


I agree with this person please share more.

Suzuki seems to have lost the beat somewhat, so many of their models are stuck in the 90's they desperately need updating.

Yamaha's the best combination of reliability and value right now, IMO, they have tons of models, the MT series is great, with a variety of engine choices, the R1 is cool as always, they have the WR which never gets old, the Super Tenere which is a great bike, if fuckugly, behind the sea of blue fairings and white numberplates the YZ line is has the best dirtbikes East of Austria, including old standbys like the YZ250, that has been well upgraded, and their X line of two and four stroke trail bikes, pretty much the only great, purpose-made trailbikes with modern suspension and brakes besides the Austrians, fit and finish is better than Suzuki, engine reliability is excellent and on-par with Honda.

And the triple tuning forks are the best bike brand logo.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Suzuki is still the only Japanese manufacturer building a supermoto and a 750cc sportbike.

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

True, although for the life of me I can't understand why Yamaha doesn't slap some lights and DOT tires on the YZ450FX ala Husky's FE series, the street legal stuff on the FE's is not above the level of "lovely kit." There's tons of aftermarket sumo and road legal kits for the 450, the market's there, and everyone loves them. I'm seeing a lot of people switch to FE501s because once you throw a kit on a 450 they're the same price, but less hassle, that's for DS, Husky sells a sumo, but I almost never see them around.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




I’d imagine the motors aren’t smog legal? That’s my guess anyway

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
Do you think people care more or less about their vehicles if they assign them a gender/name/etc? My drill sergeants made us name our rifles with the idea that we would clean them better, take better care of them, etc. My mom was referring to her super beetle as a she earlier today but I find the whole concept of treating inanimate things like they're people weird.

Anyways my rifle was named tiffany and I don't think it made me respect it any more than than the four million push ups I'd have to do if my star chamber had some carbon in it during a white glove inspection.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Elviscat posted:

Yamaha's the best combination of reliability and value right now, IMO, they have tons of models, the MT series is great, with a variety of engine choices, the R1 is cool as always, they have the WR which never gets old, the Super Tenere which is a great bike, if fuckugly, behind the sea of blue fairings and white numberplates the YZ line is has the best dirtbikes East of Austria, including old standbys like the YZ250, that has been well upgraded, and their X line of two and four stroke trail bikes, pretty much the only great, purpose-made trailbikes with modern suspension and brakes besides the Austrians, fit and finish is better than Suzuki, engine reliability is excellent and on-par with Honda.

:agreed:

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


If you need any convincing of why it’s weird and gross to call vehicles “she,” just read any of the ADVRider threads about it and by the end, you’ll have absorbed it even if you can’t articulate it.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

[pic of bike in rain]

RODE HER HARD AND PUT HER AWAY WET ;);););)

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

just because other people make it weird doesn’t make it weird when you do it lol intent is key and pretty obvious

I still do an okay sign on occasion and it doesn’t make me a racist :D

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Sagebrush posted:

[pic of bike in rain]

RODE HER HARD AND PUT HER AWAY WET ;);););)

Google search site:reddit.com/r/motorcycles “she”

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Intent is also a completely opaque and impossible to interpret thing on the internet for the most part, it’s why we have blanket statement rules like we do.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002

Honestly y'all being weird. Here's a Fiero resto video and make note how many times the person refers to objects as "that guy": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5H0TtOxHWc So parts are guys.

Same with a cooking vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEpKJbOFlvc Ingredients are guys.

Things get gendered.

Here's something to think about. I wonder if a person who was doing this and not part of this discussion would refer to the parts of a motorcycle as "guys" if they were working on it but the bike as a whole "she" or "her".

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
This is a dumb detail and I am dumb for starting it. Sorry goons.

right arm posted:


I still do an okay sign on occasion and it doesn’t make me a racist :D

The other day I pulled up next to a POC's car to compliment him on his unique rims and accidentally made the OK hand gesture, and I was mortified and disgusted with myself the whole way home.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


It’s still gross when objects, especially motorcycles, are gendered as female because sexualization usually follows immediately behind it. Like I said, a trip through reddit and ADVRider are enough to see all you want to of that. If the rare instances of things being gendered as male followed that same trend, that would also be gross. It’s still kind of weird but never carries the same connotations. Also men have no history of being objectified solely because of gender.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

no one is doing that here obviously so quit getting bent out of shape about it :D

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Just don’t do it then no one has to get bent out of shape.

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002

Elviscat posted:

True, although for the life of me I can't understand why Yamaha doesn't slap some lights and DOT tires on the YZ450FX ala Husky's FE series, the street legal stuff on the FE's is not above the level of "lovely kit." There's tons of aftermarket sumo and road legal kits for the 450, the market's there, and everyone loves them. I'm seeing a lot of people switch to FE501s because once you throw a kit on a 450 they're the same price, but less hassle, that's for DS, Husky sells a sumo, but I almost never see them around.

Don't forget they still sell the WR450F, which already has lights on it - it basically just needs signals and an ignition lock to be a dual sport. It's also 10 loving grand, and apparently they don't sell very many of them.

I asked the Yamaha rep at a demo day a couple years back if there would ever be another factory Yamaha sumo, preferably a 450, and got shot down hard. "Why don't you just sumo a WR450 yourself?" "If I wanted to drop $12k on a sumo, I'd buy a a 690 or 701"

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Jazzzzz posted:

Don't forget they still sell the WR450F, which already has lights on it - it basically just needs signals and an ignition lock to be a dual sport. It's also 10 loving grand, and apparently they don't sell very many of them.

I asked the Yamaha rep at a demo day a couple years back if there would ever be another factory Yamaha sumo, preferably a 450, and got shot down hard. "Why don't you just sumo a WR450 yourself?" "If I wanted to drop $12k on a sumo, I'd buy a a 690 or 701"

I still don’t get why every major dirt bike/dual sport mfr doesn’t make a factory supermoto. Someone on here said once that they’re too niche and I don’t understand that either. I mean I guess I accept that they are, but I don’t understand why. Like, the DRZ is cool, but it would not be hard to make a much hotter street legal 400-650 factory sumo without having to develop any new parts at all.

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Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I’d imagine the motors aren’t smog legal? That’s my guess anyway

If KTM can make every thumper in their lineup 50 state legal with a tune and a muffler, I'd imagine Yamaha could do the same, the, WR250whatever lent its engine to the YZ250FX, which is a standout trail bike, equivalent to my FE250, but my FE comes factory road legal.

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