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Ledhed posted:Just want a sanity check on this before I bite the bullet. Purpose is almost exclusively gaming and web-browsing. Some choices are aesthetic (big dumb heatsinks and reference-style 970 over the STRIX because I'm going for a mostly-white scheme). I'll pick up an H7 when they come back and just live with the stock CPU cooler for now. This would be driving a 2560x1080 monitor so mostly I'm just checking with you guys to see if this would run stuff at Very High/Ultra. Your build is fine, congratulations on finding like the one upscale MSI board that doesn't have an Atheros killer ethernet port. If you're thinking of OC'ing in the future you should consider something like the Phanteks TCP14E. It's beefier than the Cryorig and there's a version with a black and white color scheme.
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Vape Bag posted:Hello. Been watching Twitch and got inspired to build a gaming rig. I'd like a couple years of decent performance out of the rig, and am willing to invest a bit more upfront to get a slight bit more longevity. If you're building this for gaming there are some areas where you can trim cost and upgrade to a much better GPU without increasing the overall cost much, something like this will last longer without needing an upgrade. Another option would be to keep the 970 and save some money since it is plenty powerful enough to handle 1080p. I don't know enough about the case to comment but there are much cheaper options there as well. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($67.99 @ Mwave) Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Micro Center) Memory: Mushkin Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($163.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card ($649.99 @ Amazon) Case: be quiet! Silent Base 800 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.98 @ OutletPC) Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($28.98 @ OutletPC) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($249.99 @ Amazon) Keyboard: Logitech G710 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($81.99 @ Best Buy) Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse ($60.95 @ Amazon) Total: $1979.81 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-28 18:40 EDT-0400 MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Wow, thank you so much... saved me a ton and helped me avoid some worse choices. Thanks again!
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Vape Bag posted:Hello. Been watching Twitch and got inspired to build a gaming rig. I'd like a couple years of decent performance out of the rig, and am willing to invest a bit more upfront to get a slight bit more longevity. Here's a mITX option that keeps the i7 and drops down to a h97 board w/WiFi for the same price. With the high base clocks on the 4790k you aren't really going to get anything from overclocking it so a z97 board isn't needed. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($328.99 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock H97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($72.98 @ Newegg) Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($163.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card ($649.99 @ Amazon) Case: Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ITX Mini ITX Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.98 @ OutletPC) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($249.99 @ Amazon) Keyboard: Logitech G710 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($81.99 @ Best Buy) Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse ($60.95 @ Amazon) Total: $1961.81 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-28 18:57 EDT-0400
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grack posted:Your build is fine, congratulations on finding like the one upscale MSI board that doesn't have an Atheros killer ethernet port. Thanks for the suggestion about a different cooler. That TC14PE is slick looking but a bit higher than I'd like to pay for a cooler. Any reason to avoid this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709018&cm_re=phanteks_cpu_cooler-_-35-709-018-_-Product
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Ledhed posted:Thanks for the suggestion about a different cooler. That TC14PE is slick looking but a bit higher than I'd like to pay for a cooler. Any reason to avoid this one? Phanteks makes good stuff though I don't know how much better that will be than the Cryorig H7 or Cooler Master 212 Evo
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grack posted:Phanteks makes good stuff though I don't know how much better that will be than the Cryorig H7 or Cooler Master 212 Evo I was contemplating adding a fan to the H7 to make it push/pull which would've made it about the price of this guy anyways so I'm gonna give it a shot. Thanks everyone for the feedback, I decided to upgrade to the 4790k as well because 
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Some Numbers posted:Holy poo poo. Something went wrong at practically every single step. Has anyone had a build where something didn't go wrong? The weirdest thing happened to me where the computer would randomly blue screen and reboot if left idling anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes. Everything was perfect when I was using it. I wound up just leaving a VLC window paused in the background whenever I wanted to download a large torrent or something for a whole year. Then I decided to try some new RAM sticks, and it went away! Welp...
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Jun 29, 2015 02:37
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Only thing that went wrong on my build was forgetting to plug one thing in, and having to put my CPU fan on a second time(correctly).
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Jun 29, 2015 03:50
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There's usually one or two little things that go wrong because something isn't seated properly or you forget to plug a power cable in or something. Shits a million times easier nowadays that everything is idiot proof and simplified. No more jumpers etc. But as someone (here I think) said that they'll always make a better idiot. And I think that was Ludriak.
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Jun 29, 2015 04:04
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betterinsodapop posted:Those Corsairs are nice. You could also take a look at Noctua Redux NF-S12B in either 1200 or 700 RPM. cool thanks. I noticed that as the fans go up in price, they have higher cfm and lower noise at the same rpm the cheaper ones do. Are the bitfenix spectre pro's recommended in the Overclocking OP still a good choice? They seem to fit what im looking for.
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Ledhed posted:Just want a sanity check on this before I bite the bullet. Purpose is almost exclusively gaming and web-browsing. Some choices are aesthetic (big dumb heatsinks and reference-style 970 over the STRIX because I'm going for a mostly-white scheme). I'll pick up an H7 when they come back and just live with the stock CPU cooler for now. This would be driving a 2560x1080 monitor so mostly I'm just checking with you guys to see if this would run stuff at Very High/Ultra. 1. You're leaving a fair amount of performance on the table getting a reference gtx970 - it won't overclock as well. There are multiple non reference coolers that use a black and white color scheme 2. Mediocre PSU. You can do better 3. IIRC that case doesn't come with fans - you'd need to buy your own. It's really not that great. Corsair, nanoxia, Fractal design and I think phanteks have quality white cases - look into those.
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MaxxBot posted:If you're building this for gaming there are some areas where you can trim cost and upgrade to a much better GPU without increasing the overall cost much, something like this will last longer without needing an upgrade. Another option would be to keep the 970 and save some money since it is plenty powerful enough to handle 1080p. I don't know enough about the case to comment but there are much cheaper options there as well. People shouldn't be buying 80+ bronze PSUs in this day and age when you can get better quality gold PSUs for very little more.
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The Lord Bude posted:1. You're leaving a fair amount of performance on the table getting a reference gtx970 - it won't overclock as well. There are multiple non reference coolers that use a black and white color scheme 1. Not everyone overclocks. 2. The PSU is fine 3. What the drunk gently caress are you talking about? The case he chose comes with two fans installed. INTJ Mastermind posted:Has anyone had a build where something didn't go wrong? The weirdest thing happened to me where the computer would randomly blue screen and reboot if left idling anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes. Everything was perfect when I was using it. I wound up just leaving a VLC window paused in the background whenever I wanted to download a large torrent or something for a whole year. Then I decided to try some new RAM sticks, and it went away! Welp... My last rebuild went perfectly smooth (mid May). Microsoft even happily validated the cheap Windows 7 OEM code I got off of eBay. The update to Windows 10 Preview? Also surprisingly smooth (did an inline install) Of course a week after that my Dad called me up because his computer was acting funny and I came over on the weekend to find it infected with CryptoLocker.F grack fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Ledhed posted:I was contemplating adding a fan to the H7 to make it push/pull which would've made it about the price of this guy anyways so I'm gonna give it a shot. If you do that, you can drop down to an H97 board, because there's no real point OCing a 4790K.
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Subjunctive posted:If you do that, you can drop down to an H97 board, because there's no real point OCing a 4790K. There is if you don't put a toy cooler on it.
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grack posted:1. Not everyone overclocks. The PSU is fine but it is a bad buy when you can get an EVGA GS for less, which is better in every conceivable way. The S340 doesn't come with any front fans because it is meant to be using with a front installed 280mm rad (eg Kraken X61). NZXT makes appalling stock fans too.
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Gibbo posted:There is if you don't put a toy cooler on it. What can you get out of it? 5%?
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Subjunctive posted:What can you get out of it? 5%? A typical 4.6GHz clock is literally less than a 5% improvement, yes.
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BurritoJustice posted:A typical 4.6GHz clock is literally less than a 5% improvement, yes. Do you think it'd be more sensible to get the 4690k and overclock that? I haven't actually bought the 4790k yet (it's on hold at MicroCenter) so if I'm better off with the 4690k I'll put that extra cash towards a new keyboard instead. Thanks everyone for the input, this is my first go around building on my own so any and all opinions are appreciated.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:Has anyone had a build where something didn't go wrong? The weirdest thing happened to me where the computer would randomly blue screen and reboot if left idling anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes. Everything was perfect when I was using it. I wound up just leaving a VLC window paused in the background whenever I wanted to download a large torrent or something for a whole year. Then I decided to try some new RAM sticks, and it went away! Welp... The build I did about six months ago went super smoothly, except that my network adapter hadn't arrived yet so I couldn't get onto the internet.
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So I'm starting to save up to build a new pc. One of my friends told me that Intel was going to be releasing a new generation of processors in the next month or so. Would a potential discount be worth it to wait for a sale on currently available processors? If I could knock off even $50 off I would be okay with that.
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Lonely Rolling Star posted:So I'm starting to save up to build a new pc. One of my friends told me that Intel was going to be releasing a new generation of processors in the next month or so. Would a potential discount be worth it to wait for a sale on currently available processors? If I could knock off even $50 off I would be okay with that. Intel processors rarely drop much. You would mostly be waiting to get a somewhat better performing processor with lower power consumption for the same price.
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dis astranagant posted:Intel processors rarely drop much. You would mostly be waiting to get a somewhat better performing processor with lower power consumption for the same price. Fair enough. If the next series come out in the next few months I'll probably pick something up from that line.
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BurritoJustice posted:A typical 4.6GHz clock is literally less than a 5% improvement, yes. 4.8s on water aren't that hard.
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Ledhed posted:Do you think it'd be more sensible to get the 4690k and overclock that? I haven't actually bought the 4790k yet (it's on hold at MicroCenter) so if I'm better off with the 4690k I'll put that extra cash towards a new keyboard instead. Well here's something to think about : If buying a 4690K, a Z97 board, and great air cooler ends up costing close to the 4970k with a H97 board then why not just buy a 4970k and save the OC headache with it's stock 4.4 ghz and enjoy the benefits of hyperthreading?
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Mutation posted:Well here's something to think about : If buying a 4690K, a Z97 board, and great air cooler ends up costing close to the 4970k with a H97 board then why not just buy a 4970k and save the OC headache with it's stock 4.4 ghz and enjoy the benefits of hyperthreading? Because it's the cpu's job to have logic, not the buyer. Seriously though, good advice and I'm the guy with the stupid custom loop. Although depending on region and pricing, it isn't necessarily the same price.
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Lonely Rolling Star posted:Fair enough. If the next series come out in the next few months I'll probably pick something up from that line. I think the biggest thing coming out of Skylake is that they're finally putting 4 cores in mobile i5s. The desktop models are pretty incremental improvements, like 20 watts lower power consumption in the non-K models. The leaked specs actually show slightly lower clocks than equivalent Haswell models (presumably made up for in architecture improvements).
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Gibbo posted:4.8s on water aren't that hard. 10% is far, far from being economical. At that point just got cheap X99 if you're throwing money around (I'm assuming you mean custom water). I'm of the firm belief that you should only be going custom water if you've already got to at least X99 and top end (980ti range+) graphics, or if you're an absolute silence nut and the money doesn't concern you.
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Bit of an odd question and I won't bother explaining the details behind it because it's a boring story: Would I be able to run 1x Asus Strix GTX 970 (http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-STRIX-GTX970-DC2OC-4GD5-Graphics-Cards/dp/B00NJ9BJ8G) and 1x MSI GTX 970 4G Gaming (http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-970-4G-Graphics/dp/B00NN0GEXQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1435564077&sr=1-2&keywords=msi+970+gaming) in SLI off a 650W 80+ gold cert PSU (CPU is 4690K, not OC'd) or is this insane?
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Foxhound posted:Bit of an odd question and I won't bother explaining the details behind it because it's a boring story: It'll run just fine. Which one do you already own?
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BurritoJustice posted:10% is far, far from being economical. At that point just got cheap X99 if you're throwing money around (I'm assuming you mean custom water). Not saying it's economical but everyone is saying "4790ks have no headroom" . They're just saying that because they're trying to use children's toys to cool it. The headroom is there if you want it. Also I really should see about typing up a "real water cooling" to add to the OP. Considering a wc as part of the price of a build is stupid. It should be considered as a 'Project to do to your computer'. It's the price of one to three nights of partying, for most people, and I've gotten far more entertainment out of it than that. I bought my first complete set up in 2009. I paid 90$ for a triple rad, 80$ for a pump, 20$ for fittings and 60$ for a block, and 25$ for a mini res. And 10$ for tubes. At some point I changed sockets, and that was 15$ for a different hold down plate. Over ensuing builds I had to spend... 20$ once when I changed sockets, various 5$s as I slowly switched over to nicer fittings and 120$ this year to get a new pump because my other one was getting old and I didn't want to worry. Radiators and resos are forever. Fittings may as well be. A good pump will last 5+ years. A good water block will have new mounting brackets available every socket change. You don't "buy a watercooler" and suddenly you're on water. The fact that people trust AIOs loving frightens me, and they're garbage noisy toys. Watercooling is an investment in having your case choices restricted. (WCing GPUs is for people with too much money and/or those that do builds for a living. Although some of the more recent universal blocks are finally not ugly and actually effective) BurritoJustice posted:I'm of the firm belief that you should only be going custom water if you've already got to at least X99 and top end (980ti range+) graphics, or if you're an absolute silence nut and the money doesn't concern you. Watercooling can be expensive. But it's not like you're gilding the inside of your computer with single use magical bits.
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BurritoJustice posted:It'll run just fine. Which one do you already own? I read somwhere that having two cards run at different clock speeds would cause issues and since they are both factory OC'd to different speeds wouldn't that mess it up? Or is GPU the only criteria?
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Gibbo posted:Not saying it's economical but everyone is saying "4790ks have no headroom" . They're just saying that because they're trying to use children's toys to cool it. The headroom is there if you want it. You're being pedantic. This is a thread about economical solutions, and putting money where it will actually make a difference. Anything has headroom if you put enough money into cooling it. We don't literally mean "4790K's can never overclock above 4.4GHz ever", just "it is not going to be worth your time or money to get a 4-8% improvement in frequency". The only reason you'd want the "headroom" is if you're doing it for the fun of it, not for an actual tangible benefit worth your time or money. I'm well aware about the details of custom watercooling. I have installed loops before for other people, I intend to do a full loop for my next computer. But they aren't something that you suggest to someone, full loops are something that people choose to do because they want to and have made their own investigation into the benefits or lack thereof for the cost.
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grack posted:1. Not everyone overclocks. 1. You'd have to be literally crazy to not overclock a 970 and get a free 20-30% extra performance out of it 2. It's acceptable. Just because something is acceptable, doesn't mean you should buy it if there are better products available at a similar price. Personally, I hold PSUs to a very strict standard, and there are better products out there which should be purchased instead. The CSM series is what you buy when you live in Tanzania or Eastern europe or something and it's the only thing local stores sell that isn't outright crap. If you live in a western country there is literally no reason to purchase one over a superflower or seasonic built PSU that costs within $10. 3. Fair enough - It's been awhile since I looked at NZXT case specs, and I was on my phone and couldn't easily check. That's why I said 'IIRC'. It still isn't a particularly great case and there are better options out there.
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Mutation posted:Well here's something to think about : If buying a 4690K, a Z97 board, and great air cooler ends up costing close to the 4970k with a H97 board then why not just buy a 4970k and save the OC headache with it's stock 4.4 ghz and enjoy the benefits of hyperthreading? This is literally what everyone should be doing these days unless they're on a super tight budget. (I'd still buy an aftermarket CPU cooler to keep noise down). The only reason to get a z97 board is if you have a huge boner for overclocking for its own sake or you need SLi support.
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Gibbo posted:Not saying it's economical but everyone is saying "4790ks have no headroom" . They're just saying that because they're trying to use children's toys to cool it. The headroom is there if you want it. There is a thread devoted to overclocking - that sort of thing belongs there. Custom loops are well outside the scope of what we try to do here - recommend value for money PCs to suit people's needs, primarily for people who don't know very much about PC parts. I don't want that audience getting confused or intimidated by high end overclocking, nor do I particularly want to put ideas into their head that may lead them to attempt something they don't have the skillset for that could damage their PC. (and for what it's worth, I'm not a fan of AIOs and I try to steer people away from them unless they insist on a tiny case where air cooling is impossible) It's perfectly fair enough that there is a small demographic of hardcore overclocking enthusiasts, but they don't need this thread.
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So if I get a 4790k and a h97 board can I get away with the stock cooler? I plan to run this in an mitx build so overclocking was never a concern for me in this particular use case anyways.
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Thelonious Monk posted:So if I get a 4790k and a h97 board can I get away with the stock cooler? I plan to run this in an mitx build so overclocking was never a concern for me in this particular use case anyways. Yeah, the stock cooler is made specifically to cool CPUs at their stock speeds. It does ramp up the fan and will be more noisy than a third party cooler, which is why we usually recommend one, but if space is a priority and you can't find an affordable alternative (or just don't care if it's noisier) then the stock cooler will work.
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