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I am terrible at Total War games but love the idea of playing Warhammer in one. Is it worthwhile to play on the easiest mode if I haven't done anything TW related since Rome 1, or is normal a good place to jump into the game at? I won't be playing until wood elves come out because I am in love with that faction. Thanks!
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Nov 28, 2016 19:51
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I am terrible at Total War games but love the idea of playing Warhammer in one. Is it worthwhile to play on the easiest mode if I haven't done anything TW related since Rome 1, or is normal a good place to jump into the game at? I won't be playing until wood elves come out because I am in love with that faction. I don't know the difference between easy and normal but watching at least some of these should help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dQ-y4Xomdw
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Nov 28, 2016 19:54
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MilitantBlackGuy posted:I too am glad Warhammer is so diverse. I wonder who is more toxic for CA though, history nerds or Warhammer nerds? I have the impression that GW's interest in Fantasy waned as the company became more dominated by Grimdorkness, so the setting was spared some of the dumbest sides of GW writing, and thus fandom, at least until it was struck full force with it in the End of Times. Also as someone who has played the Warhammer Fantasy RPG a few times in the last 15 years I am going to say that CA has treated the setting with way more care in this year than its owner company had for the last decade.
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Nov 28, 2016 19:56
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I am terrible at Total War games but love the idea of playing Warhammer in one. Is it worthwhile to play on the easiest mode if I haven't done anything TW related since Rome 1, or is normal a good place to jump into the game at? I won't be playing until wood elves come out because I am in love with that faction. You should be fine on normal, and since you've played a TW game before you shouldn't have too much trouble picking it up. There have been a lot of new mechanics added since Rome 1 (a lot of them being huge improvements) but it shouldn't be so unmanageable that you can't figure it out. I might be overstating how easy it is though since I've played a TW game at least once every few months since Rome 1, and a lot more recently since Warhammer Total War is so insanely good.
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Nov 28, 2016 20:04
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Captain Oblivious posted:It's history nerds because TW history nerds largely aren't actual history nerds they're just hyper nationalists and/or ethnic supremacists who present a skewed view of history to support their nationalism. i always laugh when those guys go crazy over the length of a spear in cm or whatever when thats something no real historian cares about
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Nov 28, 2016 20:08
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I am terrible at Total War games but love the idea of playing Warhammer in one. Is it worthwhile to play on the easiest mode if I haven't done anything TW related since Rome 1, or is normal a good place to jump into the game at? I won't be playing until wood elves come out because I am in love with that faction. I haven't played any since Rome 1 or Medieval 2 (whichever came out last between those two) and it was similar enough that I caught on. I think my biggest problem was understanding what was going on in the build screen and understanding that it wasn't just build anything I want anywhere I want anymore, you are limited and have to make choices on a per-province (which is a collection of regions) basis.
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Nov 28, 2016 20:49
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I played beastmen in the grand campaign and they are more fun than I realized. Once you build up momentum you can just steamroll through a weak area on the map. All Must Fight and passive recruitment discounts let you quickly generate an army for virtually no cost. And once you have more or less a maxed out horde the growth maluses become a non-issue.
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Nov 28, 2016 20:57
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I must admit I'm dissapointed how Orion looks, sure he was kinda goofy in 5th edition, because he was basically a He-Man model with horns, but it set him apart from the other elf models and I remember it fondly. His more stylized version is kinda bland.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:06
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His va is kind of goofy right now too. Just griping but i wish treemen still looked like my metal ones with the face as part of the trunk
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Nov 28, 2016 21:08
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Rygar201 posted:Couldn't you have just corner camped him, and forced him to engage you? I don't do much MP though. Yeah, that's why I ended up with a draw. If they have faster units than you left alive it becomes essentially impossible to take the match.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:11
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Spent way too long on an empire very hard campaign. Lulled into a false sense of security as I slowly (and I mean slowly) ate Sylvania. By turn 88 chaos arrives and I realize grimgor owns all of the badlands and has like twelve stacks rampaging towards my borders. I literally have too few resources to compete with him and chaos.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:12
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Maybe they'll destroy one another and you'll reap all the benefits.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:20
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I'm boycotting this until we get a sexier elf LL.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:29
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A lot of my earlier games had that same sort of situation arise. Suddenly Grimgor and CHaos out of nowhere. So I changed my mindset to 'keep a stack alive' and basically just played dodge the stacks for a while, then something happens and they go a different direction for a bit and next thing I know I'm built back up again and those 5 doom stacks are never to be seen again having met some fate or the other off screen. It's actually kind of underwhelming how I feel like I can survive those things by just avoiding them but then I miss out on some grand throw down.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:31
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sassassin posted:I'm boycotting this until we get a sexier elf LL. So... Orion's wife? I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:41
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Is it me or do the horde factons seem underwhelming in the hands of the AI? It's nice that they'll periodically respawn on the map but often they're right next to a doomstack that squishes them. They are also too aggressive at times preventing them from building up. I just wish they were a bigger threat. I don't think I've ever had to fend off a capitol siege vs savage orcs or beastmen.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:51
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Stephen9001 posted:So... Orion's wife? Sisters of Twilight would have been the best bet, they even have mount progression established for the quests. But really any Elf that isn't a gross mutant would be fine.
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Nov 28, 2016 21:58
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It's a bit weird that neither of the wood elven LL's really are elves. Orion looks like a half-beastman.
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Nov 28, 2016 22:12
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Kainser posted:It's a bit weird that neither of the wood elven LL's really are elves. The pact with the forest is a huge part of Asrai society. That their leaders aren't wholly elves anymore is a big deal. Including Arielle would have helped drive that home. Also Durthu is kind of boring.
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Nov 28, 2016 22:15
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Rygar201 posted:The pact with the forest is a huge part of Asrai society. That their leaders aren't wholly elves anymore is a big deal. Including Arielle would have helped drive that home. Also Durthu is kind of boring. He is a big angry tree who stomps orcs and lumberjacks alike, he's ok, especially compared to some other LLs.
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Nov 28, 2016 22:26
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fnordcircle posted:A lot of my earlier games had that same sort of situation arise. Suddenly Grimgor and CHaos out of nowhere. So I changed my mindset to 'keep a stack alive' and basically just played dodge the stacks for a while, then something happens and they go a different direction for a bit and next thing I know I'm built back up again and those 5 doom stacks are never to be seen again having met some fate or the other off screen. I could maybe hold them off while assimilating brettonia? Maybe.
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Nov 28, 2016 22:34
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What are your starting Clan Angrund strategies? I restarted several times until I managed to get the hang of it/lucky and capture Karak to get rid of the 50% upkeep penalty. I captured my starting province and then helped the dwarves to the north of me deal with the gobbos there and then started to meander my way towards Karak. I focused on tech that improved my starting warriors and rangers and tried to abuse the starting pile of heroes as much as possible in battle. I think I got lucky on my approach to Karak as I managed to lure out an army and I was able to conquer it without having to deal with a double stack sitting on it.
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Nov 28, 2016 22:38
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Rygar201 posted:The pact with the forest is a huge part of Asrai society. That their leaders aren't wholly elves anymore is a big deal. Including Arielle would have helped drive that home. Also Durthu is kind of boring.
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Nov 28, 2016 22:39
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Hernia The Hunter posted:It's pretty obvious that Chaos as released was effectively just a mod to make a computer controlled faction playable. Presumably this was because they didn't want to alienate the very large number of Chaos players out there in the world. Chaos are a huge and sprawling faction on tabletop and the don't fit into 1v1 binary that paired factions on release had. They were an end game special event equivalent to the Mongol and Timurid invasion waves in Medieval 2. no, they did exactly the same thing with the Huns in Attila, the only thing was that the Huns were fun because they started as desperate, starving hordes and then becaming comically powerful when Attila rose to power. in warhammer you're just slapfighting norscans and Kislev and praying new hordes aren't insta wiped by gotta go fast empire stacks
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Nov 28, 2016 22:43
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Mans posted:no, they did exactly the same thing with the Huns in Attila, the only thing was that the Huns were fun because they started as desperate, starving hordes and then becaming comically powerful when Attila rose to power. Yeah, hopefully if the speculation is true about an expansion focusing on the Chaos Gods and the map expands east, then the Warriors will have the more kickass option to gently caress off into the Chaos Wastes to subjugate demons and gain favor with your deity, and eventually become a Daemon Prince. I'm secretly hoping they crib some notes from Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos and skip the whole Archaeon the Everchosen thing in favor of having a random God's champion return from the Wastes with a huge coalition of Beastmen, Warriors, Daemons, and Chaos Dwarfs. Also, here's a neat map made from the datamined file I've seen floating around: 
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Nov 28, 2016 23:56
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To get outriders do I need to have both required buildings in the same city, same province, or just anywhere at all? Wiki is not really filled out for all the dumb questions I have.
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Nov 29, 2016 02:59
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Province.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:02
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Triskelli posted:Yeah, hopefully if the speculation is true about an expansion focusing on the Chaos Gods and the map expands east, then the Warriors will have the more kickass option to gently caress off into the Chaos Wastes to subjugate demons and gain favor with your deity, and eventually become a Daemon Prince. I'm secretly hoping they crib some notes from Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos and skip the whole Archaeon the Everchosen thing in favor of having a random God's champion return from the Wastes with a huge coalition of Beastmen, Warriors, Daemons, and Chaos Dwarfs. Doesn't put Skaven in the Skavenblight?
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Nov 29, 2016 04:29
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Comrayn posted:To get outriders do I need to have both required buildings in the same city, same province, or just anywhere at all? Wiki is not really filled out for all the dumb questions I have. Provinces share upgrades and buildings such that you can essentially think of them as one big mega-city in terms of development. A few buildings come with faction-wide bonuses, and they will tend to state so explicitly in their tooltips.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:32
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I am terrible at Total War games but love the idea of playing Warhammer in one. Is it worthwhile to play on the easiest mode if I haven't done anything TW related since Rome 1, or is normal a good place to jump into the game at? I won't be playing until wood elves come out because I am in love with that faction. Play a game on easy to have fun kicking rear end, and then you can make some mistakes and learn about things you don't know about in the process. Then after that quick game or if you get bored of it, drop it and start another on normal after that.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:36
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Comrayn posted:To get outriders do I need to have both required buildings in the same city, same province, or just anywhere at all? Wiki is not really filled out for all the dumb questions I have. To build on what other people have said: if a building's effect is faction-wide, it will specify so. Walls and garrisons are exclusive to the settlement they're built in. Everything else is provincial.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:52
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V for Vegas posted:Doesn't put Skaven in the Skavenblight? Well there's nothing to really indicate that the datamined stuff is final, more of a work in progress kind of thing. Hopefully we'll get Skaven in Skavennblight, it'd be a real shame if they aren't put there there in some capacity. It may have a special kind of function for the Skaven as a nexus of activty or something and not really be a settlement in the true sense. The blighted marches and Skavenblight should feature in some way into Skaven playstyle and mechanics.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:17
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Skavenblight should be the Skaven Vatican. You're devising your own ratty plans to kill-kill the man-things and then you get demands from Skavenblight and the Thirteen to do something that will forestall your own glory. And do it you will, because the Thirteen will send people to kill you if you don't/avoid responsibility too many times. Unless of course you're sneaky about it or use it as an opportunity to further yourself somehow.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:30
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_61IZp_RNYg After a decade long on-and-off relationship with Total War games, I've actually beaten my first campaign.  Played as Dorfs and admittedly the Long Victory was pretty underwhelming; I turtled up in the far northern territories and hit end turn a lot until my master engineer hit level 10. Yeah, I'll be glad to be rid of grudges next game. My short victory was a lot more cinematic. While I'd taken my time exterminating the Greenskins and skirmishing into Vampire territory, Chaos had wiped out Kislev and the Empire proper, before turning to the fertile frenchlands of Bretonnia. My lone army in the region and its chivalrous allies were able to fend off and chase down Archaon's supporting stacks while he seized a provincial capital. I, uh, tunneled to the aid of the city, deployed on the hilltop and fired down into the Chosen ranks while two separate, ragged Bret cavalry divisions rode him down from behind. The Everchosen was slain, an age of peace had begun, and I finally won a loving campaign. So yeah, this game's pretty good.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:32
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Speaking of cool things, have anyone else noticed that in the latest build they lowered teleport costs for quest battles? At first i thought it was a mod but restarting a fresh game without any mods on still says the same thing! Most of the teleports have gone down from 5000 to 500, imo this is a verrrry good change as it makes you able to do, for instance all those starter quest battles without having to slog it (dwarfs) and/or trespassing on other peoples lands (empire).
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Nov 29, 2016 08:33
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Kokoro Wish posted:Skavenblight should be the Skaven Vatican. You're devising your own ratty plans to kill-kill the man-things and then you get demands from Skavenblight and the Thirteen to do something that will forestall your own glory. And do it you will, because the Thirteen will send people to kill you if you don't/avoid responsibility too many times. Unless of course you're sneaky about it or use it as an opportunity to further yourself somehow. Put this man in charge of the Skaven campaign
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Nov 29, 2016 08:46
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Quests should be easier to do in some ways. Battles could be tough but it should not be an annoying slog! Empire having to ally nordland is annoying! Also longer quest lines with more set pieces would be awesome!
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Nov 29, 2016 11:05
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Kokoro Wish posted:Skavenblight should be the Skaven Vatican. You're devising your own ratty plans to kill-kill the man-things and then you get demands from Skavenblight and the Thirteen to do something that will forestall your own glory. And do it you will, because the Thirteen will send people to kill you if you don't/avoid responsibility too many times. Unless of course you're sneaky about it or use it as an opportunity to further yourself somehow. or just murder all the Skaven Popes until a friendly one reaches power
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Nov 29, 2016 11:20
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Affi posted:Quests should be easier to do in some ways. Battles could be tough but it should not be an annoying slog! Empire having to ally nordland is annoying! I do sometimes wonder if Dark Omen would be feasible to remake in the Total Warhammer engine. All the assets or some version of them are basically there already and the game as a whole is just a linear A-B-C progression of quest battles across the Old World. In the original you pretty much only fight VC and Orcs, and some battles have units from Bretonnia/Dwarfs/Wood Elves/Kislev. The campaign could be modded to be way more static and constrained in scope so you're not doing weird things like questing in Kislev when it was wiped out 20 turns ago by the Norse. I don't know the first thing about modding though so I could be talking out of my arse.
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Nov 29, 2016 11:45
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Is the Angrand campaign actually winnable on higher difficulties? gently caress is it annoying.
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