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I think people in this thread and the other thread are just really cynical and trying to be hipsters about liking Game of Thrones. I've never met anyone outside of the internet who said Game of Thrones was poo poo like the people here do.
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Game Of Thrones is good. I dunno if people really realise how bad TV is
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Mar 29, 2016 09:08
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granted, jessica jones still beats GoT on anal sex content but I guess it couldn't win everything
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Mar 29, 2016 13:20
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I love watching GoT and then posting how it is dumb. Really as long as it has tits and dragons I will watch it and post how sexist it is.
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Mar 29, 2016 14:28
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Book readers went ape poo poo about the last season. The only thing I agreed with them about was the snake sisters or whatever sucking and Jaime's story about going to Dorn was kind of weak other than god-tier tits. But one guy in particular posted about it like for a month constantly and he has thankfully moved on.
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Mar 29, 2016 15:00
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i am not a book reader and really liked seasons 1-4. 5 was mostly bad.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:43
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I hope season 6 starts with Tyrion, the harpies, and the others just looking around wondering what they should do now.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:06
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The Dorne subplot was absolutely inexcusably terrible. No one on earth can defend it.
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Mar 29, 2016 21:36
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the only logical conclusion of the sand snakes ends with them gang banginging zombie mountain to death to avenge the red viper
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Mar 29, 2016 23:36
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Overall I like GoT, and have not read any of the books. Season 5 is the weakest so far, mostly because it only showed all the good guys and bad guys all getting punished throughout all 10 episodes. The biggest thing I looked forward to since the end of season 4, was seeing more of the Children of the Forest and Bran Stark and Hodor... which season 5 had absolutely nothing on. List of punishments doled out to people in season 5: Cersei: jailed and walk of shame Margaery: jailed Loras: jailed Shireen: sacrificed/murdered Selyse: suicide Melisandre: abandoned Stannis in failure Stannis: executed Sansa: lovely betroth and raped Selmy: died in combat Jorah Mormont: shaky grounds with Dany + greyscale Dany: Got lost while flying her dragon, stuck with Dothraki Myrcella: murdered Littlefinger: Whore houses destroyed Arya: blinded Jon Snow: murdered Tyrion: did absolutely nothing of consequence Things I'm looking forward to (hopefully): Davos becoming unchained Tyrion doing something of consequence The Mountain v2.0 Reek and Sansa's travel adventure Arya becoming an assassin Bran Stark and Children of the Forest subplot??
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Mar 30, 2016 04:21
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The Dorne subplot was absolutely inexcusably terrible. No one on earth can defend it. quote:This is possibly the dumbest plot line I have ever watched on television. I cannot believe this made it out of the writers room. It is so embarrassing. Let’s get into it. Needless, very Needless to say, I will not be watching this sixth season of a dead franchise walking. Grouchio fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 07:01
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Whole Dorne subplot justified by more Bronn and the Sand Snake's extremely good breasts
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Mar 30, 2016 07:31
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I l ike this tv show
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Mar 30, 2016 10:57
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I mean at the end of the day it is a fantasy TV show that managed to penetrate the mainstream to the point where my boss at work talks about it, that's pretty awesome.
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Mar 30, 2016 11:01
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redweird posted:Whole Dorne subplot justified by more Bronn and the Sand Snake's extremely good breasts Agreed. There was so much wrong with Dorne, yet there was so much right about those breasts. I can't stay mad.
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Mar 30, 2016 13:58
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Parkingtigers posted:Agreed. There was so much wrong with Dorne, yet there was so much right about those breasts. I can't stay mad. Fun fact, Sansa is older than her, hope you feel weird now
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Mar 30, 2016 14:50
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Fun fact, Sansa is older than her, hope you feel weird now Not really, it is not like her acting was going to get her on a world wide TV show. Got to use what the good lord gave ya.
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Mar 30, 2016 15:08
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Isn't Arya like 25 or something? talk about weird
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Mar 30, 2016 15:22
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Maisie Williams is 18, she was 11 when the pilot was filmed how on earth could she be 25?
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Mar 30, 2016 15:24
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The blog post about Dorne was all true and you could probably make a similar post about every storyline in Season 5. Season 5 was bad because most of it didn't make sense, important scenes were rushed (everything in the last episode other than Cersei), and it was just constant misery which made it unenjoyable to watch. There's nothing for a viewer to hope for. There's nothing uplifting in 10 hours of programming. There was no heart. Gone are the days when we would get fun character interactions scenes like Cersei/Robert in Season 1, or Arya/Tywin, Arya/Hot Pie, Brienne/Jaime, Varys/Littlefinger, Hound/Arya, etc.. Even in the season where the Red Wedding happened, there were huge positive moments in the other storylines. Dany got a army, conquered cities, and freed slaves. Jaime became a likable character, became friends with Brienne, and rescued her from a bear. Davos helped Gendry escape and not get burned alive. It wasn't all a downer. Yeah, it's also worse if you read the books because I think we all know by now that the adaptive changes made it more miserable. (Barristan, Sansa, Stannis) They made Jaime less interesting by making the decision to put him in Dorne. He used to be one of most people's favorite characters. I think Dorne may have ruined that. People are definitely talking about him less.
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Mar 30, 2016 16:04
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The problem with the book is that it may not have been as negative with some characters like Sansa, but it left them completely useless for the plot for entire books. Brienne's story is awful and meandering in the book compared to the show, where she's almost always right in the thick of it. Sansa has a "sit in the Eyrie while Littlefinger does politics" as a riveting storyline. I agree the tone was dark, Dorne was a shameful waste, and Jaime was progressing better in the book than in the show. Win some, lose some. But I don't think the show is worse than the books, because at least it ties up loose ends rather than letting them dangle.
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Mar 30, 2016 16:36
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Grouchio posted:
Sure buddy. See you in 25 days
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Mar 30, 2016 18:09
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Grouchio posted:This tumblr blog put it best: This person has a very strange understanding of the narrative and its characters. Calling Jaime and Cersei's relationship one of, "consensual love" for starters.
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Mar 30, 2016 18:29
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Na'at posted:Sure buddy. This show is so dead. I mean, yeah, Season 5 was the most viewed season with the finale being the most viewed episode of the series. And anecdotally, I hear family and co-workers talking about Jon Snow everywhere. But it's dead, I tell ya. Lycus fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 18:33
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Maarak posted:This person has a very strange understanding of the narrative and its characters. Calling Jaime and Cersei's relationship one of, "consensual love" for starters. In the books, things are less-rape between several characters. In the pilot, when Drogo basically rapes Dany on the wedding night, in the books he doesn't force himself on her and actually has consentual sex. In that one episode, Jaime straight up rapes Cersei on the steps whereas in the books IIRC that's the first time Jaime and Cersei see each other in a long time and basically jump one another. The main question that arises from these changes is why do the showrunners like rape so much?
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Mar 30, 2016 18:34
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Super Ninja Fish posted:The blog post about Dorne was all true and you could probably make a similar post about every storyline in Season 5. Season 5 was bad because most of it didn't make sense, important scenes were rushed (everything in the last episode other than Cersei), and it was just constant misery which made it unenjoyable to watch. There's nothing for a viewer to hope for. There's nothing uplifting in 10 hours of programming. There was no heart. Gone are the days when we would get fun character interactions scenes like Cersei/Robert in Season 1, or Arya/Tywin, Arya/Hot Pie, Brienne/Jaime, Varys/Littlefinger, Hound/Arya, etc.. I think that opinions about 5 may improve once 6 happens and the second part is presented in full. Currently, especially the book readers, who have come to expect to know what will happen next, don't, because there's no next book. Hence all the angst.
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Mar 30, 2016 18:46
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Phi230 posted:In the pilot, when Drogo basically rapes Dany on the wedding night, in the books he doesn't force himself on her and actually has consentual sex.
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Mar 30, 2016 18:53
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Isn't she really young in the book? She's turns 14 after she gets pregnant.
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Mar 30, 2016 18:56
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Isn't she really young in the book? She's 13 during their wedding night in the book and the scene is incredibly creepy, the show being unambiguous about the fact that she's getting raped by Drogo is much preferable to whatever goes on in the book.
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Mar 30, 2016 18:57
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Best decision (out of many) the show made was to age all the younger characters up by 4 years. All these barely pubescent kids in sex scenes... GRRM is a creepy, creepy gently caress.
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Parkingtigers posted:Best decision (out of many) the show made was to age all the younger characters up by 4 years. All these barely pubescent kids in sex scenes... GRRM is a creepy, creepy gently caress. Dany is the only underage character who has a sex scene. I mean, Jon gives Ygritte the Lord's Kiss but he's 16 and she's probably at least his age and a 11-12 year old Arya seduces an adult man in the book analogue to the Meryn Trent pedophile execution scene. Sansa gets threatened with sexual violence about every five minutes but nothing else. Not that I disagree that aging the characters up was a good decision it's just that the 'underage sex' thing that is often attributed to these books isn't really true.
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Mar 30, 2016 19:10
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I would say that GRRM is less a creepy gently caress and more someone who understands the medieval world and its horrible, horrible nature.
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Mar 30, 2016 19:37
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meristem posted:Eh, Tyrion and Varys and later Jorah were pretty fun in the way you speak of. Also Hardhome. That said, I agree that 5 was a season of failure for most of the characters - although I'm not sure why this led you to the deduction that it had 'no heart'? Failure is often the standard outcome for the middle piece of a trilogy, which 5 was - the show can roughly be divided into three parts, and 5 was the middle season of the second part (seasons 4-6). There's very little correct in what you posted. Let me begin: The first 'trilogy' you speak of encompasses the first three books and first four seasons, not three seasons of the show. Unless you consider the first books to be the Ned, Cat, And Robb Saga. It's not; it's the story of Tywin Lannister. Tywin's death marks the true narrative end of A Game of Thrones Part One. AFFC and ADWD together make a book that you can call the first part of a second 'trilogy', but you really shouldn't.
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meristem posted:Eh, Tyrion and Varys and later Jorah were pretty fun in the way you speak of. Also Hardhome. That said, I agree that 5 was a season of failure for most of the characters - although I'm not sure why this led you to the deduction that it had 'no heart'? Failure is often the standard outcome for the middle piece of a trilogy, which 5 was - the show can roughly be divided into three parts, and 5 was the middle season of the second part (seasons 4-6). Varys/Tyrion is okay. I don't think that compares much to Varys/Littlefinger. Varys and Tyrion are too much alike. 10 hours of failure and misery for all the storylines is a bit much. The failure part was Seasons 3-4 anyway. The show decided to prolong the failure and make it worse, whereas in the books the story gave us kind of a reprieve from failure. Most of the major characters were relatively safe. (Like Sansa) Stannis was getting revenge for us and you could actually root for Stannis the whole way. Barristan was becoming a major character and taking charge rather than dying in an alley. Jaime was still interesting and doing stuff better than Dorne. There were lots of cathartic moments for minor characters. There were things to be hopeful for. It feels like almost everything was done in Season 5 was for the purposes of being shocking in a bad way or trolling. (By trolling, I mean like the supposed sweet Father/Daughter moment between Stannis and Shireen making fans go "Aww" and showing that Stannis might be a good father, presenting Sansa as a changed smarter character as if she was going to be a player to be reckoned with, showing Benjen in the preview of the last episode, having a scene with Myrcella and Jaime being happy making you think they were giving you one happy scene in the episode just to end it with killing her.) There's not as much fun character interactions as previous seasons. Heartfelt scenes are absent. Pander posted:The problem with the book is that it may not have been as negative with some characters like Sansa, but it left them completely useless for the plot for entire books. Brienne's story is awful and meandering in the book compared to the show, where she's almost always right in the thick of it. Sansa has a "sit in the Eyrie while Littlefinger does politics" as a riveting storyline. Book and show both have problems but the book's problems aren't damaging to the whole story, the show's problems are. Books 4/5's problems are just that it's all build up. They haven't made the real horrible decisions than Season 5 has. Book 4/5 feels like a placeholder book; not that the story has turned bad. It feels like Season 5 has made the story turn bad. some bust on that guy fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 21:10
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If you think this has a happy (beginning, middle or) ending something something something....
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Mar 30, 2016 21:37
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Apoplexy posted:There's very little correct in what you posted. Let me begin: The first 'trilogy' you speak of encompasses the first three books and first four seasons, not three seasons of the show. Unless you consider the first books to be the Ned, Cat, And Robb Saga. It's not; it's the story of Tywin Lannister. Tywin's death marks the true narrative end of A Game of Thrones Part One. AFFC and ADWD together make a book that you can call the first part of a second 'trilogy', but you really shouldn't. Super Ninja Fish posted:10 hours of failure and misery for all the storylines is a bit much. The failure part was Seasons 3-4 anyway. The show decided to prolong the failure and make it worse, whereas in the books the story gave us kind of a reprieve from failure. Most of the major characters were relatively safe. (Like Sansa) Stannis was getting revenge for us and you could actually root for Stannis the whole way. Barristan was becoming a major character and taking charge rather than dying in an alley. Jaime was still interesting and doing stuff better than Dorne. There were lots of cathartic moments for minor characters. There were things to be hopeful for. It helps not to get attached to the characters and admire the game instead? This makes it actually fun to see new pawns and figures taken off the board, and witnessing the slow formation of the final roster to go against the final bosses.
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Mar 30, 2016 22:14
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meristem posted:but also with Dany settling in Meereen
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Mar 30, 2016 22:17
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Apoplexy posted:I would say that GRRM is less a creepy gently caress and more someone who understands the medieval world and its horrible, horrible nature. Game of Thrones is fictional. You can write whatever you want in fiction, and what you choose to write reflects on you.
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Mar 30, 2016 22:57
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Lycus posted:That one's wrong. Dany really doesn't have much of a climax in S3, which was a common complaint. Conquering and settling in Meereen happens in S4. Yes she does. The season literally ends with her being held aloft as White Jesus of the amorphously ethnic slave population of Slaver's Bay. (It's Yunkai, not Mereen, I believe.) The thematic climax is her ascendancy as a messianic figure.
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Super Ninja Fish posted:Book and show both have problems but the book's problems aren't damaging to the whole story, the show's problems are. Books 4/5's problems are just that it's all build up. They haven't made the real horrible decisions than Season 5 has. Book 4/5 feels like a placeholder book; not that the story has turned bad. It feels like Season 5 has made the story turn bad. I haven't read past book 1 but I would say that season 5 definitely felt like all build up as well. When I got done watching the finale I remember posting here or telling a friend that I had just watched a 10-hour trailer for season 6 spread out over three months.
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