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CelticPredator posted:"Remember Ripley? Remember Newt? Well this time she isn't dead and she's a badass now! Also Aliens and mech suits! Pulse Rifles pew pew!" I didn't want to bring up Blomkamp specifically but yea his ideas are what I'm thinking about when I thank god that Ridley got hold of the reigns before he did.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:43
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In Prometheus, David appears to be an abused child recreating the circumstances of his abuse as an externalized set-piece that he can explore and control, much like Sarah Polley's character in Splice. In Covenant that aspect of his character is recurring, but David's personality seems to embody humankind as pure Product. He values music and civilization as abstract concepts, but doesn't give a fig for that first Cro-Magnon blowing through a reed. Humankind is "unworthy of their creation," regardless of the fact that they created him. For me, the germ of horror in Alien is Giger's: Life is a cycle of birth-sex-death. All the lived experience that comes in between, all the physical characteristics of a human body, are just details, a pulpy afterbirth that is discarded in the metamorphosis into a sleek black alien form. So Covenant doesn't discard Alien's premise at all; that premise is the main character's obsession. I believe this is why Taintrunner characterized the movie as a journey into the depths of Ridley Scott's psyche, etc.: because there is a character in the diegesis, in fact the main character, orchestrating this process and vocalizing his enshrinement of it. I'm still baffled by his statement regarding a "kind world." That it's a specific reference to Byron is a little hard to swallow. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 21:53
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Basebf555 posted:I didn't want to bring up Blomkamp specifically but yea his ideas are what I'm thinking about when I thank god that Ridley got hold of the reigns before he did. I'm thinking the opposite. Someone should smack the pen out of his hands before he writes another tiresome rehash of Greek creation stories. We've got two in the franchise, when zero would have been better. No more alien films would have been a better idea than more Ridley Scott alien films.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:55
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Dead is better.
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Aug 17, 2017 22:13
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CelticPredator posted:John Connor is a lot more interesting than Jai Courtny's Kyle Reese. Watching someone clean their fingernails is more interesting than anything Jai Courtney has ever done.
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Aug 17, 2017 22:50
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CelticPredator posted:"Remember Ripley? Remember Newt? Well this time she isn't dead and she's a badass now! Also Aliens and mech suits! Pulse Rifles pew pew!" Yeah, I think it's surreal how there is a significant number of people out there like Blomkamp who want to watch a grandma version of Ripley running around fighting Aliens for a FIFTH loving time. Not only that, they specifically want to retcon Alien 3 as well because it hurt their fee fees with Hicks and Newt. It really would be the Alien version of Terminator Genisys. The most insufferable thing about these people is how obnoxious they are. Just look at youtube. I'm fine with them doing an Alien action film. Just do it with an entirely new plot and characters.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:02
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I keep saying it, but Blomkamp adapting Aliens: Labyrinth and with ADI behind the wheel for visual effects would be loving crazy in all the best ways, and it'd give Blomkamp an opportunity to get in his sci-fi military-porn alongside some gnarly body-horror while keeping the Alien terrifying and unpredictable rather than turning them into gun-fodder or something.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:36
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I was really down on Prometheus at first, eventually grew to like it well enough, probably a C+. Dug this one on first viewing though, probably because I was prepared to be disappointed. It's the third best Alien movie after 1 and 3, and Fassbender channeling Henriksen was great. The flute scene was still really dumb though, the concept of it is fine but it was just written so goofily.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:47
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Xenomrph posted:I keep saying it, but Blomkamp adapting Aliens: Labyrinth and with ADI behind the wheel for visual effects would be loving crazy in all the best ways, and it'd give Blomkamp an opportunity to get in his sci-fi military-porn alongside some gnarly body-horror while keeping the Alien terrifying and unpredictable rather than turning them into gun-fodder or something. Cosmic and body horror are exactly the direction the new films should have gone. They should have given the helm to Cronenberg, with Blomkamp on design and effects.
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Aug 18, 2017 01:01
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a foolish pianist posted:Cosmic and body horror are exactly the direction the new films should have gone. They should have given the helm to Cronenberg, with Blomkamp on design and effects. Isn't the backburster and the neomorph slaughtering that girl immediately afterwards the two most violent scenes in the series?
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Hot take: If Prometheus/Covenant aren't body/cosmic horror, nothing is. Hotter take: Filmmaking > vague generic classifiers
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Aug 18, 2017 01:29
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The two Neomorph births freaked me out more than any Cronenberg ever has, if I'm being honest.
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K. Waste posted:Hot take: If Prometheus/Covenant aren't body/cosmic horror, nothing is. I was thinking the same thing. Also, thanks for talking me into buying the Target blu book, thread.
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Aug 18, 2017 01:39
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a foolish pianist posted:Cosmic and body horror are exactly the direction the new films should have gone. They should have given the helm to Cronenberg, with Blomkamp on design and effects. You really obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Like you have clearly not seen any of the films Cronenberg has made in the last twenty years. If any.
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Does the prostate exam scene in Cosmopolis count as body horror? e: loving hell, I still haven't watched A Dangerous Method precision fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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Aug 18, 2017 02:00
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precision posted:The two Neomorph births freaked me out more than any Cronenberg ever has, if I'm being honest. They seemed pretty tame - it just isn't the shock that it was when it started. Thus the necessity for some Videodrome-type stuff. SuperMechagodzilla posted:You really obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Go back to being a Markov bot trained on Lacan.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You really obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Cronenberg on an Alien movie would be insanely loving sick, and honestly I'm bummed we didn't get that when he was in his nutty body horror phase; he's less good at stodgy dramas.
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Aug 18, 2017 02:08
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Cronenberg doesn't seem the type of director who would direct someone else's franchise installment. It reminds me of people lamenting the hypothetical Lynch directed Return of the Jedi. Just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it's either a good idea or something that that person would even want to work on. E: the Fly is pretty much Cronenberg's Alien movie, the astronaut being the tiny fly that gets caught in the teleporter and becoming a human-naut. E2: Ridley comparing Danny McBride to Slim Pickens on the Covenant bonus features is great. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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ruddiger posted:Cronenberg doesn't seem the type of director who would direct someone else's franchise installment. It reminds me of people lamenting the hypothetical Lynch directed Return of the Jedi. Just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it's either a good idea or something that that person would even want to work on. I mean, we already have a template for what Lynch doing RotJ would have looked like: it would have basically been Dune. The alternate universe where they tapped Cronenberg instead of Cameron to make a sequel to Alien, however, is drat near unfathomable to me.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I did - and there's a bit of a minor error there, because they don't take the full implications of the referentiality into account. I've never seen that Giger, awesome. Timby posted:Watching someone clean their fingernails is more interesting than anything Jai Courtney has ever done. He was fine as Captain Boomerang. precision posted:The two Neomorph births freaked me out more than any Cronenberg ever has, if I'm being honest. Haven't seen Crash I take it? I dunno, there's definitely more upfront gore in Covenant, but it leads to cartoonish moments, like slipping on blood and blowing up the lander. Like, Newt's autopsy is super uncomfortable to watch, and I broke out into a cold sweat during the medpod scene in Prometheus. ruddiger posted:Cronenberg doesn't seem the type of director who would direct someone else's franchise installment. It reminds me of people lamenting the hypothetical Lynch directed Return of the Jedi. Just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it's either a good idea or something that that person would even want to work on. I mean, Dune is Lynch's Star Wars. And while I love the pure Star Warsness of Return, it'd be hard to make a movie worse than what we got.
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The point is that Covenant is the most (and, it can be strongly argued, the only) Cronenbergian Alien film. [The next closest competitor is Aliens Versus | Predator: Requiem, which has some of his late-90s hyperreality going on.]
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The point is that Covenant is the most (and, it can be strongly argued, the only) Cronenbergian Alien film. I dunno. I feel like Covenant pokes in that direction a bit, which accounts for it being the most interesting Alien film in 20 years; however, it never goes quite as gonzo as the stuff Cronenberg is largely known for. Like, Videodrome is an absolutely loving bonkers movie. I feel like it being rediscovered as a Great Art Film has caused people to sorta forget just how incredibly goddamn insane it is; Covenant doesn't have anything nearly as weird as James Woods reaching into a vagina on his chest and pulling out a flesh-gun that gives people exploding cancer. Ditto, The Fly has a man forming a museum of his own shriveled body parts as he (relatively nonchalantly) turns into a horrifying fly-creature that vomits acid on people. Covenant takes tiny steps in this direction with David's lab and the Neomorphs, but never quite goes the whole hog with it.
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Top 3 Cronenberg performances Decker from Nightbreed Himself in the Canadian television show The Newsroom Government agent in Jason X
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wyoming posted:I dunno, there's definitely more upfront gore in Covenant, but it leads to cartoonish moments, like slipping on blood and blowing up the lander. This is part of the fun. I may just be projecting but I absolutely think that Scott was indulging in a little vindictiveness against whiny Tactical Realism complaints by having the person who tries to do the "cold, scientific, rational" thing of quarantining the neomorph immediately and trying to kill it die the most keystone kops-ish, hilariously spectacular death in the movie as a result of their own mistakes.
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I do long for the return of the Cronenberg who told Jude Law "okay, now assemble a gun from the bones of this disgusting vaguely Chinese dinner"ruddiger posted:Top 3 Cronenberg performances His cameo in Blood and Donuts is aces SuperMechagodzilla posted:The point is that Covenant is the most (and, it can be strongly argued, the only) Cronenbergian Alien film. I'd agree with both these points. wyoming posted:Haven't seen Crash I take it? I have, and honestly, it didn't freak me out. No idea why, maybe because it came out at a time when I was into way weirder poo poo (and the Broken video was probably still fresh in my mind)
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Okay, the the chestbursters erupting from the pregnant lady in AVP:R was probably more graphic than Covenant's backburster.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:This is part of the fun. I may just be projecting but I absolutely think that Scott was indulging in a little vindictiveness against whiny Tactical Realism complaints by having the person who tries to do the "cold, scientific, rational" thing of quarantining the neomorph immediately and trying to kill it die the most keystone kops-ish, hilariously spectacular death in the movie as a result of their own mistakes. Yeah. The Covenant crew followed protocol fairly well, were deliberate and thoughtful, professional, etc, and they still got hosed up.
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Kinda sad we didn't get a scene with Shaw confronting the engineers after all the garbage she went through in Prometheus.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You really obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  eXistenZ came out in '99But that's not the actual problem with their statement, which is the idea of hiring various auteur directors to fill various roles like ordering a combo platter. It's to be expected, though, when so many people appear to review movies by preparing a checklist of TVTropes and grading the movie on how well it met their expectations.
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RedSpider posted:Okay, the the chestbursters erupting from the pregnant lady in AVP:R was probably more graphic than Covenant's backburster. The effect is definitely nastier in AVP:R, but you can see the backburster a whole gently caress of a lot better.
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a foolish pianist posted:I'm thinking the opposite. Someone should smack the pen out of his hands before he writes another tiresome rehash of Greek creation stories. We've got two in the franchise, when zero would have been better. No more alien films would have been a better idea than more Ridley Scott alien films. The problem is Ridley Scott is on deaths door and has decided he needed to beat James Cameron for making Aliens. He failed.
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This had nothing to do with Cameron. If you really want to blame someone, blame Paul Ws Anderson and the Brothers Strause for completely destroying any crediblity the series had left. I'm gonna thank them though because Prometheus and Covenant are rad, and lmao if you don't want to get on this cool train. 
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precision posted:I do long for the return of the Cronenberg who told Jude Law "okay, now assemble a gun from the bones of this disgusting vaguely Chinese dinner" Oh hey, I'm gonna watch this now for the first time. Instead of watching Camelot again.
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Snak posted:Oh hey, I'm gonna watch this now for the first time. Instead of watching Camelot again. They Came From Within is also a possibility. There's some hosed up poo poo in that movie. Funny story about that movie and Alien. Back in 1980 I lived in Northern California aged 11 or 12. There were two movie theaters nearby. 4 miles up the river in Guerneville was a theater that got first run pictures maybe a little late. In Monte Rio where I lived we had a rep theater that did double bills of recent films and classic. We saw Close Encounters there, and I tell you, having the power cut out during the big UFO chase scene towards the beginning of the movie was terrifying (someone hit a power pole and knocked out the whole town). My friends and I saw Alien in Guerneville and it was awesome. It was in space ! It looked real ! The monster was awesome ! So when it came to our town it was THE thing to do. The trouble was, Alien wasn't the first movie that night. They Came From Within was. At 11, I wasn't the youngest kid there, not by a few years. So we watched TCFW. Several kids were taken out into the lobby or just home. At intermission the theater manager came out and apologized. He said he always, always screens films before putting them on the schedule. Something came up and... TCFW got shown to kids. After a film that starts off with an older man, a doctor, attacking, killing, and cutting open a 14-year old girl; then dousing her insides with acid; and then killing himself Alien itself was rather anticlimactic. Needless to say the late showing of TCFW was cancelled. mllaneza fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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CelticPredator posted:This had nothing to do with Cameron. If you really want to blame someone, blame Paul Ws Anderson and the Brothers Strause for completely destroying any crediblity the series had left. AvP and it's acclaimed sequel are the series at its highest point.
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Well, then that is what gave us Covenant.
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CelticPredator posted:This had nothing to do with Cameron. If you really want to blame someone, blame Paul Ws Anderson and the Brothers Strause for completely destroying any crediblity the series had left. Nah. Jean-Pierre Jeunet destroyed the series' credibility, and without Resurrection I don't think either AvP movie would have even happened (or at least, in the forms we got them in). The series was always a series of blockbusters, but Resurrection is when they became dumb blockbusters.
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I think the Fox executives too cheap to use William Gibson's script are to blame. Even though Alien 3 is not that bad but it also did kill all aliens.
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Resurrection gave it cancer. But there's always a chance for remission. AvP-R was like, the death bed, making GBS threads your pants and dying alone in a hospice.
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