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GordonTheDeadFish posted:This is a really bizarre way of seeing it. As I see it, magic tricks are inherently psychological manipulation dressed up with mysticism. It's a really smart way of bringing back magic after people kind of got over the traditional way of presenting them in recent years.
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Derren Brown is just wandering around Channel 4 headquarters messing with the staff, there'll be more continuity errors until he is stoppped.
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Jan 28, 2012 14:24
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mess up continuity announcing, get people talking about it, people watch The Simpsons. It's genius marketing really
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Jan 28, 2012 14:33
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Yeah I mean I'd never even heard of this show "The Simpsons" until now. Maybe I'll check it out.
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Jan 28, 2012 14:49
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Idioteque Dance posted:he could comment about how much media and Internet attention the continuity running joke got, but also has somewhere put in a "hiding in plain sight" continuity goof which nobody noticed, as some kind of commentary on... suggestibility or whatever. I saw a documentary many years ago that did something like this. It should that experiment where you get people to count basketball passes on a video, and they nearly all miss the guy in a gorilla-suit who walks across the screen. It ends with the presenter giving a really smug "don't believe us? how many times did you spot him" a montage of all the times the same gorilla man had appeared through the documentary, in really obvious places. It was awesome.
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Jan 28, 2012 14:52
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GordonTheDeadFish posted:This is a really bizarre way of seeing it. As I see it, magic tricks are inherently psychological manipulation dressed up with mysticism. When Derren Brown says he is subtly influencing the audience to pick, say, a certain word from a certain newspaper that he has written down in an envelope at the start of the show, and then shows you all the times he threw in words throughout the act without you noticing, he's lying. That is not what he's doing, that stuff doesn't really work, atleast nowhere near the level that his act would rely upon. He uses a lot of the same tricks as any other magician does and dresses it up as him subliminally controlling the audience's decisions absolutely. I'm not saying he isn't an expert mentalist/mental magician, he's one of the best in the world no doubt. He uses a lot of mentalist techniques and suggestion in his act. But I am saying that he pretends that many of his tricks are something that they're not, to make the show more impressive. He flat out admits this all the time. Simpsons continuity announcers saying a different word wouldn't "do" anything to an audience on its own. Hoops fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jan 28, 2012 |
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Jan 28, 2012 14:53
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Derren Brown, by his own admission in his book, says he uses a mix of sleight of hand, misdirection, suggestion, memory feats, and good old fashioned trickery in his work. He just mixes it all up so it's difficult to tell for any given trick what amount of each thing is being used.
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Jan 28, 2012 15:59
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I saw a documentary many years ago that did something like this. It should that experiment where you get people to count basketball passes on a video, and they nearly all miss the guy in a gorilla-suit who walks across the screen. It ends with the presenter giving a really smug "don't believe us? how many times did you spot him" a montage of all the times the same gorilla man had appeared through the documentary, in really obvious places. It was awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pK0BQ9CUHk
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Jan 28, 2012 16:27
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Hoops posted:Simpsons continuity announcers saying a different word wouldn't "do" anything to an audience on its own. By the way it's probably not a Derren Brown thing. Somebody in the (hilarious) digitalspy thread actually filed a complaint with channel 4 about it and they replied that the announcers are "just having a bit of fun".
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Jan 28, 2012 16:47
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Dicky B posted:...That's completely irrelevant as to whether or not it's related to Derren Brown though. As you said, throwing in words throughout a stage show doesn't "do" anything on its own either.  " as part of the mystique he's built up, it is not part of the technique of the trick. Suggestion is in his act, but it's a lot more direct and artful than that.By the way my whole point started by saying it was obviously the announcers having a laugh. I'm giving the reasons why it's ridiculous to think it's part of some Derren Brown experiment.
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Jan 28, 2012 18:14
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Your reasons don't make sense though
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Jan 28, 2012 18:23
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Dicky B posted:Your reasons don't make sense though
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Jan 28, 2012 18:29
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Hoops posted:People were saying it was to implant some kind of suggestion into the audience's head. Sorry you're not the only one to have figured out Derren Brown's shtick. We don't need you to explain it to us 
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Jan 28, 2012 18:44
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Just got excited because I just saw a trailer for a BBC drama called Inside Men. It has two of the main guys from Luther, so I thought it was a new series of that 
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Jan 28, 2012 20:52
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FAT WORM OF ERROR posted:Just got excited because I just saw a trailer for a BBC drama called Inside Men. It has two of the main guys from Luther, so I thought it was a new series of that From the trailer that series looked quite good though? Kind of an original angle for a drama to take on the heist genre I think.
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Jan 28, 2012 21:13
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Dicky B posted:Yeah nobody said that. You're imagining things.
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Jan 29, 2012 03:47
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I give up!
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Jan 29, 2012 13:08
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Game show talk: Exit List - I really like format and the big studio prop maze. Nice mixture of general knowledge and memory tests. Bank Job - Nice idea but the rules change every round which makes it confusing to follow. George Lamb is not too bad when he's being sensible. Million Pound Drop - Still entertaining, especially when someone brazenly puts their whole stash on an obviously wrong answer. Still suffers from unfair questions. Countdown - Old people who haven't watched the Apprentice are very confused by Nick Hewer's schoolmaster presenting style. Question Time - Everyone loses.
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Jan 29, 2012 14:26
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I saw Perfection for the first time recently. Nice idea, but needlessly convoluted.
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Jan 29, 2012 14:30
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reality_groove posted:Game show talk: Only Connect - Stop flirting with the Crossworders Victoria!
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Jan 29, 2012 14:51
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Z-Magic posted:Only Connect - Stop flirting with the Crossworders Victoria! But watching the contestants feebly trying to flirt back is the most entertaining part of the show!
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Jan 29, 2012 14:53
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Mickolution posted:I saw Perfection for the first time recently. Nice idea, but needlessly convoluted. Nick Knowles has inherited Bob Monkhouse's orange tan (but none of his hosting ability). It did teach me that apparently Bob Hoskins worked as a circus fire eater, which is just a random bit of trivia to base a question on.
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Jan 29, 2012 15:45
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There's a double Only Connect tomorrow, Another Grid Special.
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Jan 29, 2012 16:20
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Giedroyc posted:Nick Knowles has inherited Bob Monkhouse's orange tan (but none of his hosting ability). It did teach me that apparently Bob Hoskins worked as a circus fire eater, which is just a random bit of trivia to base a question on. Absolutely. He's not the right presenter at all for it. Only seen it once, as I said, so can't be too harsh, but won't be rushing back to watch any more. Pointless is great, though.
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Jan 29, 2012 17:01
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I do enjoy watching 'The Chase' occasionally, some of the chasers are more likable than others. I haven't watched eggheads in ages, that used to be ok until they started a show to find a new egghead. Has it continued the drop?
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Jan 29, 2012 18:31
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Don't watch it regularly enough to comment, but some of the (I think) new ones are unbearable. The Irish guy and the weird looking one with the glasses especially. CJ's a massive wanker, but so much so that I really like him. Would love to hang out with Daphne for a while, though. edit: loving hell, Daphne was on Bullseye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L77E2eaorU
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Jan 29, 2012 18:35
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Mickolution posted:Don't watch it regularly enough to comment, but some of the (I think) new ones are unbearable. The Irish guy and the weird looking one with the glasses especially. Eggheads is pretty much nightly dinner viewing in student life in my house. Eggheads Chat Kevin - Is a robot. Utterly humourless. Reports of him making a joke and smiling are unsubstantiated. Weaknesses: Food & Drink. Has never lost a History round. Daphne - Like your kindly old grandmother, if she knew everything. Cheerily doddery. Has a love-hate relationship with CJ. Weaknesses: Any music questions beyond the 1980's. Ditto with Film & Television. CJ - Smug know it all arsehead. Gay. Marathon-runner. Probably the most expressive out of all of them, and the one who loses the most. Jeremy Vine loving hates him. Weaknesses: Sport, Geography. Chris - The smuggest. Confidently blurts out answers with total conviction, even when they're wrong. Fat. Terrible singer and impressionist, but tries anyway, bless 'im. Weaknesses: Geography, sometimes Music. Judith - Epitome of old Tory rich lady. Really rather posh. Doesn't keep up with sport except, predictably, horse racing. She was the first person to win the million on Who Wants to be a Millionaire UK. Weaknesses: Sport, Science. Barry - Cheerfully awkward loser. Doesn't seem like he's playing with a full hand, if you catch my drift. Him and Daphne seem like the most genuinely likable Eggheads. Weaknesses: Some Music, some Film & TV, bit patchy all round. Pat - Irish, and somehow more robotic than Kevin. Also fat. Probably the best Egghead after Kevin, but somehow with even less personality. Has also won Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. Weaknesses: ???? (I don't pay enough attention to know them.  Eggheads.
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Jan 29, 2012 20:37
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Mickolution posted:Don't watch it regularly enough to comment, but some of the (I think) new ones are unbearable. The Irish guy and the weird looking one with the glasses especially. Aw, Barry is lovely. You leave that boy alone. Also, how did Judith win a million quid? She's shocking.
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Jan 29, 2012 20:50
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Daphne - Like your kindly old grandmother, if she knew everything. Cheerily doddery. Has a love-hate relationship with CJ. Weaknesses: Any music questions beyond the 1980's. Ditto with Film & Television. The best part about Daphne was how everyone used to pick Sport against her based on her being both A Woman and Like Totally Old, and then getting completely slaughtered. Does anyone still do that or did they wise up?
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Jan 29, 2012 21:23
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Mowglis Haircut posted:CJ - Smug know it all arsehead. Gay. Marathon-runner. Probably the most expressive out of all of them, and the one who loses the most. Jeremy Vine loving hates him. Weaknesses: Sport, Geography. If you don't think he's bad enough already, it's worth remembering 'CJ de Mooi' is not his birth name, and his chosen surname of 'de Mooi' translates to 'the beautiful' in Dutch. He actually changed his name to CJ the Beautiful.
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Jan 29, 2012 21:56
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Quanta posted:If you don't think he's bad enough already Why would we EVER think that?
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Jan 29, 2012 22:21
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Theshby posted:Aw, Barry is lovely. You leave that boy alone. The last question was about some château in France she'd been to the year before or something awful like that. Jonnty fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jan 30, 2012 |
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Jan 29, 2012 22:22
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The only thing Noel Edmonds has going for him, is that he is not CJ.
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Jan 29, 2012 22:25
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Barry is awesome, I don't know how anyone could fail to love him. His weird, shifty eyes and that smile of his are just so endearing.
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Jan 29, 2012 22:38
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Kevin is actually Herbet West, Reanimator and Barry is his latest project. CJ is the most entertaining for the hilarious faces he makes.
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Jan 29, 2012 22:41
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The best part of Eggheads is when they show CJ and Daphne reacting to someone else's answer with a smug nod or shake of the head (as if to say "oh, we know this one") only for them to be wrong. The look on their faces is priceless.
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Jan 29, 2012 23:38
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I haven't watched Egg Heads since I graduated In other news, and I know it was on ages ago, but I just watched the second half of Edwin Drood, and it actually made me genuinely angry how much they ruined it. They built up this really atmospheric, well-crafted and genuinely dark drama and then turned it into a mixture of Midsomer Murders and Downton Abbey in the last fifteen minutes. Absolutely dreadful.
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Jan 30, 2012 00:00
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Jonnty posted:The last question was about some chapeau in France she'd been to the year before or something awful like that. I wish I could go on holiday in a giant hat.
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Jan 30, 2012 00:26
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Kevin is the only good Egghead. By the way the Eggheads board game is total poo poo
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Alan BStard posted:Kevin is the only good Egghead. By the way the Eggheads board game is total poo poo How does it work? Speaking of which, does anyone know how the Pointless board game works? I can't think how it would and couldn't find anything too conclusive online.
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