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fridge corn posted:you won't understand the lit thread until you finally read aquarium just to shut mel up fool. there are always more.
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derp posted:well i live near seattle so maybe i will just for that reason but otherwise it sounds like just the opposite of whatever im interested in. Do not fall for the Aquarium meme.
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Aug 7, 2017 22:21
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do not listen to these cretins and philistines they only dislike Aquarium because its not forty years old and in French
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The Belgian posted:Hemmingway's real good. The parts in A Moveable Feast where Fitzgerald's very concerned about his penis size are nice. in case the vann-reading reprobates haven't read it: quote:"Zelda said that the way I was built I could never make any woman happy and that was what upset her originally. She said it was a matter of measurements. I have never felt the same since she said that and I have to know truly."
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The Belgian posted:Do not fall for the Aquarium meme. i will listen to this guy based solely on his avatar
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Mel Mudkiper posted:do not listen to these cretins and philistines old books in other languages ftw
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mel have you read bright air black yet
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chernobyl kinsman posted:mel have you read bright air black yet nah doesn't particularly interest me and doesn't seem to hit on what I see as his strong points
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Aug 7, 2017 22:56
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Sleng Teng posted:old books in other languages ftw Despite what fans of Aquarium by David Vann believe, books from the 1970s are not old.
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I like Aquarium and old books and F. Scott's small dick. Papa is cool but better in small doses.
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Bandiet posted:Despite what fans of Aquarium by David Vann believe, books from the 1970s are not old. This is true.
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Franchescanado posted:I like Aquarium and old books and F. Scott's small dick. Papa is cool but better in small doses. Yeah! Also to add to Hemingway chat I just started A Farewell to Arms and it is real good so far
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Aug 7, 2017 23:22
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CestMoi posted:The City and the City is of the "Italo Calvino but written by the stupid" school of literature and is bad. Is China Mieville worth getting into at all? I've heard good things but I'm inclined to think he's only good compared to the vast majority of sci-fi crap. Someone recommended me Use of Weapons by Iain M Banks as 'genre fiction only good!' and I thought it was mediocre so I'm very wary of these kinds of recommendation. I did listen to Mieville's interview on Chapo Trap House and he seemed like quite a smart dude, and a lot more self-critical than the majority of hard leftists.
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His Master's Voice is really good. I can't believe this is from 1968, he just casually predicts the future of the cold war accurately, and how we will eventually drown ourselves in useless information. It's obviously a companion novel to Solaris, it's like he wanted to make more explicit what he intended to say in Solaris by just writing a borderline philosophical treatise without the drama. Oe is the anti-Murakami in that he's all about conflict among people whereas Murakami is about conflict between people and inanimate things, "Pinball 1973" is supposed to be a reply of sorts to Oe's "The Silent Cry", a badly translated title which in Japanese was called something like "Football 1860". As in, football is a game where you play with others, pinball is where you play with a machine, dialectic replaced with solipsist monologue. Murakami is also the anti-Oe in that Oe is good and Murakami is kind of lightweight. The real Japanese author you should read is Akutagawa, though. Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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SoCoRoBo posted:Is China Mieville worth getting into at all? I've heard good things but I'm inclined to think he's only good compared to the vast majority of sci-fi crap. Someone recommended me Use of Weapons by Iain M Banks as 'genre fiction only good!' and I thought it was mediocre so I'm very wary of these kinds of recommendation. I did listen to Mieville's interview on Chapo Trap House and he seemed like quite a smart dude, and a lot more self-critical than the majority of hard leftists. by genre fiction standards he is 'good', by grown-up standards he is 'not good'
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Where do I start with Flannery O'Connor if I'm planning on reading her just because Vonnegut said he liked her stuff and I like Vonnegut?
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Alvarez IV posted:Where do I start with Flannery O'Connor if I'm planning on reading her just because Vonnegut said he liked her stuff and I like Vonnegut? Her Complete Short stories is perfect. For novels, Wise Blood.
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Alvarez IV posted:Where do I start with Flannery O'Connor if I'm planning on reading her just because Vonnegut said he liked her stuff and I like Vonnegut? If you are looking into Flannery O'Connor because you think it will be like Vonnegut you will be disapointed. Anyways "A Good Man is Hard to Find"
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Alvarez IV posted:Where do I start with Flannery O'Connor if I'm planning on reading her just because Vonnegut said he liked her stuff and I like Vonnegut? thats not a good reason to read o'connor imo; her and vonnegut have basically nothing in common vis-a-vis style, content matter or tone. read A Good Man is Hard to Find and Everything That Rises Must Converge and see if you like her, then branch out from there
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Mel Mudkiper posted:If you are looking into Flannery O'Connor because you think it will be like Vonnegut you will be disapointed. Agreed. She's better than Vonnegut. If you want a small collection, I agree. It's the same price as the complete short stories, which seperates the stories into the collections they were released as. So however you want to approach it.
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derp posted:lol derp posted:well, sorry im not a 23 yo college student who is thunderstruck by the awesmitude of every single book i open. can you stop posting like a drat retard
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SoCoRoBo posted:Is China Mieville worth getting into at all? I've heard good things but I'm inclined to think he's only good compared to the vast majority of sci-fi crap. Someone recommended me Use of Weapons by Iain M Banks as 'genre fiction only good!' and I thought it was mediocre so I'm very wary of these kinds of recommendation. I did listen to Mieville's interview on Chapo Trap House and he seemed like quite a smart dude, and a lot more self-critical than the majority of hard leftists. is this trotskyite sci fi writer who i heard on a pod cast worth reading. that's a real tough one
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Flannery O'Connor is Good As poo poo. One of very few authors of whom I can say that after finishing a story I've had to put the book down and make an audible noise of inarticulate appreciation. chernobyl kinsman posted:thats not a good reason to read o'connor imo; her and vonnegut have basically nothing in common vis-a-vis style, content matter or tone. read A Good Man is Hard to Find and Everything That Rises Must Converge and see if you like her, then branch out from there Agree. Vonnegut liked her because he had impeccable taste and certainly not because he felt she was kindred. I have difficulty explaining what I like about Vonnegut, and I find it hard to recommend similar authors. To me that's a point of interest all on its own; there are very few whom I would consider truly unique in that way.
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Speaking of Vonnegut, I've had trouble focusing on things I'm reading lately and have contemplated trying to shake off the dust in my brain with something classic and complicated. I like non-linear, convoluted narratives with unreliable narrators and think Vonnegut would definitely be my style, but I'm not really sure where would be a good start or if someone else has any recs along that line. I feel kinda dumb just skipping to the end of the thread to ask, but eh.
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PetraCore posted:Speaking of Vonnegut, I've had trouble focusing on things I'm reading lately and have contemplated trying to shake off the dust in my brain with something classic and complicated. I like non-linear, convoluted narratives with unreliable narrators and think Vonnegut would definitely be my style, but I'm not really sure where would be a good start or if someone else has any recs along that line. I feel kinda dumb just skipping to the end of the thread to ask, but eh. Have you already read Slaughterhouse Five? If not, you should probably start there, but also, if you haven't read that, what Vonnegut have you read and why do you think you'd like him?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Have you already read Slaughterhouse Five? If not, you should probably start there, but also, if you haven't read that, what Vonnegut have you read and why do you think you'd like him? I haven't read any Vonnegut, but I've heard his stuff is surreal, cynical, funny, and has an unusual narrative structure.
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PetraCore posted:I haven't read any Vonnegut, but I've heard his stuff is surreal, cynical, funny, and has an unusual narrative structure. Ok, yeah, that's broadly true of all his stuff, but probably most true of Slaughterhouse Five, which is also generally considered his masterwork (not necessarily in that it's his best work, but in the traditional meaning of being the work that established him as a master). You also could try Mother Night, which we did a BotM on earlier this year: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3804025
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I'll check out both from my library then. Wish me luck on throttling my focus problems!
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Akutagawa's In A Grove is a short story everybody should read.
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as good a time as any to remember that a goon published a novel where the villain periodically says "buggeration and fuckery" and he dies in the middle of saying it so his last words are "buggeration and fucke---argh!" also, is it frequency over all the 1-grams in the corpus, or frequency as % of documents in the corpus? i need to know so i should know whether or not to publish a book that's just the word "poo poo" several thousand times just to make a spike on there and finally make a lasting contribution to american lit.
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it's from here: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2158244017723689quote:Our unit of analysis was the frequency of the use of a word in a specific year.
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who's the '50s cocksucker pioneer
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Alvarez IV posted:Where do I start with Flannery O'Connor if I'm planning on reading her just because Vonnegut said he liked her stuff and I like Vonnegut? I'll give another vote for 'A Good Man is Hard to Find'. Cormac McCarthy can apparently recite entire stories of hers be heart so that's a pretty good endorsement. Shibawanko posted:His Master's Voice is really good. I can't believe this is from 1968, he just casually predicts the future of the cold war accurately, and how we will eventually drown ourselves in useless information. It's obviously a companion novel to Solaris, it's like he wanted to make more explicit what he intended to say in Solaris by just writing a borderline philosophical treatise without the drama. Thanks for this. I'd only seen the Tarkovsky adaptation of Solaris and Stalker and loved them so eager to give Lem a read in the mission to find sci-fi/fantasy that's legitimately good. Little, Big by John Crowley being the only 'good' one I've encountered so far. A human heart posted:is this trotskyite sci fi writer who i heard on a pod cast worth reading. that's a real tough one Could be dude, I dunno?
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Lem didn't like Tarkovsky's Solaris and he didn't write Stalker. ('s source book, Roadside Picnic)
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PetraCore posted:Speaking of Vonnegut, I've had trouble focusing on things I'm reading lately and have contemplated trying to shake off the dust in my brain with something classic and complicated. I like non-linear, convoluted narratives with unreliable narrators and think Vonnegut would definitely be my style, but I'm not really sure where would be a good start or if someone else has any recs along that line. I feel kinda dumb just skipping to the end of the thread to ask, but eh. You want Mother Night, Cat's Cradle, and Breakfast of Champions. I wouldn't say Vonnegut is complicated, though. His style is minimal and catchy. His stories are non-linear, but they're never really convoluted. You should try Thomas Pynchon if you actually want non-linear, convoluted narratives with unreliable narrators that is surreal, cynical, and funny. I'd say try V. or Inherent Vice. Or if you want something really short but more divisive, The Crying of Lot 49. His big tome masterpieces are Gravity's Rainbow and Mason & Dixon, but I recommend starting with one of the other three if you're trying to clear your cerebral cobwebs.
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Thanks for the Murakami-related suggestions, I'll those names up. Mel Mudkiper posted:what particular aspects did you like? There are a few directions to take it. Palpek fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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looks like it's just the google books 1gram corpus, so project "write gently caress a few hundred thousand times" is a go. it's also a little iffy for precisely those reasons (and google books ngrams doesn't split by genre, so there's some sampling issues as well)
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Tree Goat posted:looks like it's just the google books 1gram corpus, so project "write gently caress a few hundred thousand times" is a go. Do a funnier one, bring back quim for the mdoern era
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