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Puritans were really into sex, it just had to be married sex.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 04:22 |
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Women in conservative Christian marriages aren't pressured to do anything. Now let me tell you about how modern feminists are doing nothing about issues of consent and communication in relationships You know, because we live in oppositeville.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 04:24 |
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on the left posted:I don't know if you read my post or not, but it's not sexist to point out that women are being pressured into one-sided and degrading sexual practices, under the guise of female empowerment. elliot pls go
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 04:30 |
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Accusing women in casual dating of somehow disrespecting themselves, is abusing feminist rhetoric to slut-shame women. To then go on and imply such women would make bad parents is just straight up backwards idiocy. Congrats on our esteemed visitors for demonstrating first hand how stupid and terrible the alt-right is.BrandorKP posted:I think the establishment had an opportunity to be different than their extreme elements. That possibility was missed entirely, rejected outright, or identified too late by different parts of the right. It's now too late for that. There are only a few pundits and politicans on the right I wouldn't call cowards now. If anything, the logical (or 'default') choice would have been to concede some ground, accept the victory of the civil rights stuff, and try to create some new ideological backdrop - that didn't happen, instead they saw an opportunity for short term political gain (at the expense of the country of the whole), and took it. The alt-right is the chickens coming back to roost.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 04:34 |
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on the left posted:I've turned a lot towards "maybe the Christians have the right idea" after experiencing the dating market in the past few years. Women are lying to themselves that letting guys treat them like a jizz rag is empowering and sex positive. Any decent looking guy in a city can have a couple girls in rotation at all times, and do things with them that would make a 70's porn star blush, without condoms, because they didn't grow up during the HIV scare. Tilting pendulum away from this dynamic would probably be a good thing for society. source your quotes pengy
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 04:39 |
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The alt right is basically focused on youth with traditional right wing ideologies (white supremacy, anti-women, etc) that the establishment right have largely managed to obfuscate with dogwhistle language. While there are definite attempts by establishment leeches on the movement (think Breitbart and other right wing media) to introduce some measure of obfuscation as seen by Milo's various attempts at being Reasonable, the movement itself is largely composed of people who either haven't learned to dogwhistle or don't feel the need to. I'm not sure if Trump himself is an actual return to form of the right not concealing their actual beliefs because I'm not entirely convinced that they're beliefs he actually has and isn't just saying what people want to hear. Ultimately though you are who you pretend to be, so you must be careful who you pretend to be.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 09:21 |
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Who What Now posted:Women choosing their sexual partners and activities is somehow a bad thing? Whelp, better return to Christian Puritanism! Either gender sleeping around while they have children is kind of bad. Is that really the most horrible thing ever? For a society to hold that perhaps its preferable that there be two bread winners for a family? Or is it bad to want children to have stable families? Note I would also hold this for Gay couples as well. Before you have children? Hey if you want to risk your body on venereal diseases that's your right. Even if its a pretty stupid choice. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Sep 25, 2016 |
# ? Sep 25, 2016 14:08 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Either gender sleeping around while they have children is kind of bad. Is that really the most horrible thing ever? For a society to hold that perhaps its preferable that there be two bread winners for a family? Or is it bad to want children to have stable families? Note I would also hold this for Gay couples as well. Before you have children? Hey if you want to risk your body on venereal diseases that's your right. Even if its a pretty stupid choice. No, what's most preferable is for society to ensure that a child is properly cared for regardless of parental situation. Requiring both parents be earning to ensure the safety and well-being of a child is awful, and forcing or pressuring unhappy people to stay together for the sake of that child has been proven not to work. Why would we want society to return to when bitter, loveless marriages were a norm?
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 15:00 |
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Who What Now posted:No, what's most preferable is for society to ensure that a child is properly cared for regardless of parental situation. Requiring both parents be earning to ensure the safety and well-being of a child is awful, and forcing or pressuring unhappy people to stay together for the sake of that child has been proven not to work. Why would we want society to return to when bitter, loveless marriages were a norm? http://www.clasp.org/resources-and-publications/states/0086.pdf Look I am sorry that your liberal ideal is challenged by actual facts. Also yes parents should sacrifice some of their happiness to the development of their children, its called responsibility. Now of course a government can best promote stable relationships by ensuring that people can live without insecurity in their lives through economic initiatives but to suggest that we shouldn't expect parents to be responsible is rather hilarious. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Sep 25, 2016 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Because unlike you I know some people who have raised children as single parents and they say they would prefer to have someone to help them raise their children. Also there are those studies suggesting children brought up in families that are stable do better. You didn't even read your own study, did you? Edit: Literally from the first page: The Study you Googled Without Looking At posted:While the increased risks faced by children raised without both parents are certainly reason for concern, the majority of children in single-parent families grow up without serious problems. In addition, there continues to be debate about how much of the disadvantages to children are attributable to poverty versus family structure, as well as about whether it is marriage itself that makes a difference or the type of people who get married. Edit2: You know what would be great at eliminating any problems caused by poverty? Ensuring single-parents aren't in poverty in ways other than forcing them to stay in toxic relationships! Who What Now fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Sep 25, 2016 |
# ? Sep 25, 2016 15:17 |
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Who What Now posted:You didn't even read your own study, did you? I did The study you didn't read posted:4 Once agian I am sorry that reality doesn't fit your hedonist, libertine fantasy
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 15:29 |
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Do we really need to draw these distinctions between the young, rude racists who enjoy video games and the old, polite racists who enjoy golf? The ideologies never seem that different, except where Trump's outlandishness has produced a certain xenophobic mania regarding immigration (which was already a thing for certain neocon hard-liners like Sessions) and protectionism Both believe in cutting social services to the bone to pay for more tax-breaks for the rich. Both believe in continuing to stick our collective dick into the beehive that is the geopolitics of the Middle East. Both believe in walking back civil rights for women and minorities. Both believe in eradicating our already-threadbare workers' protection laws and environmental regulations. Both believe that the police have a right and a duty to murder black and hispanic men at the slightest real or imagined provocation. imho this is largely an aesthetic and rhetorical division. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Sep 25, 2016 |
# ? Sep 25, 2016 15:31 |
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Ti & Do emphasize that choosing to reproduce is not something to be taken lightly. I was raised with a good sex ed program that covered how the body works and the difference between bacteria and viruses and different kinds of VD. Really what this goes back to is the futurism of the early 20th century - modernity makes things fast, cheap, and disposable. You as an individual have to discern how to live in such a world - "What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them." The past few decades are just filled with adulterous bastards, but we can get past it. Planned Parenthood is an objectively good thing if individuals know their bodies, and I think people who say God opposes it are very incorrect.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 15:51 |
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Who What Now posted:Women choosing their sexual partners and activities is somehow a bad thing? Whelp, better return to Christian Puritanism! All the youngsters will not stop talking about eating rear end, making eating rear end memes where spongebob is talking about eating rear end, and getting mouth and rear end related STDs and, frankly, I think its getting gross.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 16:23 |
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Crowsbeak posted:I did Children should be raised communaly by parents, siblings and extended family in concert with and with the support of the wider community. There, problem solved. No loveless sham marriages, no stigma for single parents, the child gets all the support and socialisation they need and nobody has to get stepped on or told off. Collective and social, rather than individual, responsibility should be the emphasis. You know, while we're being all prescriptive and poo poo.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 16:28 |
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I haven't really seen any progressive views in the alt-right about GBLT rights, especially from their poster boy Milo. He himself has a nice right wing hypocritical "do as I say not as I do" view on homosexuality, claiming that being gay is wrong and if he could choose not be gay he would. Basically the closest point to being progressive is admitting it's natural and not a choice. But that's hardly enough when he disavows it in the same sentence, and brands himself a "dangerous human being" on the side of his tour bus. "we'll accept women and faggots (and even coloreds) as long as they hold right wing views" is not new or something that sets the alt-right apart.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 16:49 |
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At least under the Puritans Chad was forced to stick to one girl, letting the rest of us have a chance.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 17:09 |
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TomViolence posted:Children should be raised communaly by parents, siblings and extended family in concert with and with the support of the wider community. There, problem solved. No loveless sham marriages, no stigma for single parents, the child gets all the support and socialisation they need and nobody has to get stepped on or told off. Collective and social, rather than individual, responsibility should be the emphasis. You know, while we're being all prescriptive and poo poo. Well show me research that thats better then a two parent home.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 18:54 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Well show me research that thats better then a two parent home. Oh, I didn't realise you were one of those "evidence-based tyranny" kind of guys.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 19:04 |
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The nuclear family is a rather recent invention and not really been the norm for thousands of years, and isn't really the norm in many, many countries even now. In Africa, Latin America, the Middle East and huge parts of Asia the extended family is much more prevalent and even in America/Europe the concept of the nuclear family is dying.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 19:09 |
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Ddraig posted:The nuclear family is a rather recent invention and not really been the norm for thousands of years, and isn't really the norm in many, many countries even now. In Africa, Latin America, the Middle East and huge parts of Asia the extended family is much more prevalent and even in America/Europe the concept of the nuclear family is dying. Yes and thats not the same thing as this collectivist idea of child rearing.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 19:16 |
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rudatron posted:
They had to opportunity to not put their ideology and ideas above the rest of us. They also chose power above those ideals, backing a candidate who is only for himself. Previously they fostered it and exploited it for votes, now it's what they are. Here's the question i would ask. Was there a time in the past when the establishment of the GOP would have been able to choose not to back a nationalistic, racist, authoritarian, nationalist, narcissist? I'm not trying to abstract here. When I think back, I'm thinking of specific people. Would Dan Miller have accepted this? Would H.W. Bush ( we know that one). Absolutely choices made decades ago set this in motion and some of these people participated in those choices. But many of the R politicians I saw growing up I think would have rejected this. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Sep 25, 2016 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Yes and thats not the same thing as this collectivist idea of child rearing. It totally is, though. I was raised by a single parent in concert with her parents, my aunts, uncles and cousins and with the help of the broader community that I was a part of. It wasn't a kibbutz or anything and half my friends were raised the same way. This dumb canard about needing two parents like god intended is bullshit. People get bad starts in life because the support isn't there due to poverty or social disintegration, not because of the decline of marriage or the nuclear family.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 19:29 |
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TomViolence posted:It totally is, though. I was raised by a single parent in concert with her parents, my aunts, uncles and cousins and with the help of the broader community that I was a part of. It wasn't a kibbutz or anything and half my friends were raised the same way. This dumb canard about needing two parents like god intended is bullshit. People get bad starts in life because the support isn't there due to poverty or social disintegration, not because of the decline of marriage or the nuclear family. Oh lol, so we just got your word. Despite research to the contrary. Also I suggested that ensuring economic stability was part of it
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 19:47 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Also I suggested that ensuring economic stability was part of it The assembly line wasn't going to last forever - Ti & Do's vehicles came out of that psychological project that was the post-war Anglo culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj24-445qu0 It seems to me The Brave New World isn't so bad if we all want to be mature about it. Each of us can still learn how to be part of a crew, like the Bebop. I feel that hereditary bloodlust is always bad news and individuals can view each other in another light.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 20:07 |
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young people are having less sex than the prior generations. which is bizarre since tinder is about a billion times easier than having to go to a bar on the regular.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 20:17 |
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They're much worse because they lean toward the conspiracy minded more. This was actually posted on my fb post. They're completely paranoid and conspiracy minded. They'll joke " Ha Ha Jews control the media " but they're not really joking. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Sep 25, 2016 |
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I grew up in both an extended family and the more 'standard' nuclear family and ironically it was only in the latter where we ever really wanted for anything. I grew up on a Traveller's site and it was literally thanks to that, that despite having both parents, we weren't basically up poo poo creek without a paddle. My mother and father married young and if it wasn't for the extended family we had, they probably would have ended up homeless. Nobody would employ my father for the longest time because of his Indian heritage and where his fixed address was (in the UK travellers/Romani are hugely discriminated against) Despite him having to travel it could be for months at a time to find steady work we never wanted for anything and no other kids did either. It was only when we moved into our own place we ever had any money trouble or ever experienced any real hardship when it came to food or other essentials.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 20:29 |
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McDowell posted:The assembly line wasn't going to last forever - Ti & Do's vehicles came out of that psychological project that was the post-war Anglo culture SUre Shen JI Yang. I'm sure you're fine with making some humans too supid to actually function but be workers.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 20:30 |
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Crowsbeak posted:SUre Shen JI Yang. I'm sure you're fine with making some humans too supid to actually function but be workers. Nah that really shouldn't be necessary, but right now we have a pretty bad situation with things like IVF access and Zika. The prolife/prochoice debate dances around the uncomfortable existential question - no one asks to come into this world. Proper education and contraception access ideally means new humans are only conceived intentionally - for some reason this has been controversial. I may be wrong but one source of this is a primal mindset that sees as wombs as soldier factories.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 20:50 |
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McDowell posted:Nah that really shouldn't be necessary, but right now we have a pretty bad situation with things like IVF access and Zika. The prolife/prochoice debate dances around the uncomfortable existential question - no one asks to come into this world. Proper education and contraception access ideally means new humans are only conceived intentionally - for some reason this has been controversial. I may be wrong but one source of this is a primal mindset that sees as wombs as soldier factories. It shouldn't even be considered. THe world in BNW is a vile place. Unless you'd want your children to be one of the intentionally intellectually deprived workers in it.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 21:03 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:young people are having less sex than the prior generations. which is bizarre since tinder is about a billion times easier than having to go to a bar on the regular. Yea if you're in the top 10% most attractive guys. Why do you think everyone else is having less sex?
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 22:49 |
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Mantis42 posted:Yea if you're in the top 10% most attractive guys. Why do you think everyone else is having less sex? That's it exactly. I don't know about Tinder, but if you're not part of the 10% on Grindr you might as well forget it.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 22:58 |
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Mantis42 posted:Yea if you're in the top 10% most attractive guys. Why do you think everyone else is having less sex? i mean i'm fit and dress well and got great teeth does that automatically put me in the top 10 percent? cuz my face aint great imo. i guess the pickings are slim on tinder cuz the girls matching me should be able to do way better.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 23:04 |
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Jygallax posted:Well this thread has taken a turn Like if you say Bloody Mary into the mirror 3 times, if you talk about the alt-right on the internet, the alt-right show up. Countdown to thread being closed due to being full of alt-right poo poo starts here....
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 23:42 |
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Maybe take a look at any MoonMan "parody" song and come back to me on whether the alt-right is any better than the establishment right.
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# ? Sep 25, 2016 23:48 |
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The "Alt-right" contains literal unironic nazis, so i'm gonna go with "worse than"
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# ? Sep 26, 2016 00:53 |
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They're better in that they aren't actually resonsible for poo poo happening, they're worse in that if they were, we'd get a lot worse poo poo happening.
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# ? Sep 26, 2016 00:56 |
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OwlFancier posted:They're better in that they aren't actually resonsible for poo poo happening, they're worse in that if they were, we'd get a lot worse poo poo happening. I'm p. sure they were responsible for assassinating one of your MPs recently
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# ? Sep 26, 2016 00:58 |
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I Killed GBS posted:I'm p. sure they were responsible for assassinating one of your MPs recently They've got a long way to go before they match the death toll of our establishment right. Like, our currently elected, "rape camps for profit" "get the disabled to kill themselves to avoid paying to support them" right.
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