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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/TelegraphNews/status/858750626058035200 quote:Mr Farron said: "My message on the eve of that anniversary is this, things can only get better, but this time with the Liberal Democrats.
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# ? May 1, 2017 11:39 |
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quote:Mr Farron told the Andrew Marr Show on BBC1 that he had “resigned from the Liberal Democrat frontbench about ten years ago because I am a bit of a Eurosceptic.” wow, is there a clumsier way to posture at anti-establishmentarianism
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# ? May 1, 2017 11:41 |
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Pissflaps posted:It's his campaign. Pissflaps this line is getting as tired as "Strong and stable government". The fact is what won elections then doesn't win them now.
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# ? May 1, 2017 11:42 |
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Interesting pre-order pricepoint
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# ? May 1, 2017 11:45 |
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Pissflaps posted:It's his campaign.
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lol
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TACD posted:Inspirational stuff.
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# ? May 1, 2017 11:52 |
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Not So Fast posted:Pissflaps this line is getting as tired as "Strong and stable government". I didn't bring up the subject. Having said that: you're wrong. jBrereton posted:In six months' time, I'm sure JC will have won as many elections within 2 years as Blair managed in 10. I get this.
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# ? May 1, 2017 11:54 |
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TACD posted:Inspirational stuff.
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# ? May 1, 2017 11:57 |
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ronya posted:in idealised mortgage-to-let, the bank puts up the capital. the landlord puts up the collateral. the tenant puts up the rent. It would normally make no sense for landlords to, other things equal, want to take on more risk, since they're the ones paying for the risk.
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# ? May 1, 2017 11:59 |
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I feel that if blairite centrism won elections then Jeremy Corbyn would not be leader of the Labour party
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:01 |
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ronya posted:in idealised mortgage-to-let, the bank puts up the capital. the landlord puts up the collateral. the tenant puts up the rent. It would normally make no sense for landlords to, other things equal, want to take on more risk, since they're the ones paying for the risk.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:03 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:I've never understood the reluctance for landlords to take housing benefit people. They are basically guaranteed the rent from the council. Or used to be before rents went up and housing benefit was cut but they are still guaranteed most of it. Its just seems like a snobbery of some sort. Last time I was on housing benefit for a couple of months there was an option to have it go straight to the landlord, so why cant a landlord insist on that then they are covered? Classism
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:04 |
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They changed that, rent goes to the person claiming benefits and then paid on. They found that if people lost their jobs and had to claim benefits then the landlords would kick them out, this way (unless they know you well) they have no way of knowing if the rent comes from you or housing benefit.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:07 |
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Namtab posted:I feel that if blairite centrism won elections then Jeremy Corbyn would not be leader of the Labour party its ok the PLP have decided Yvette cooper will be their saviour after corbyn loses trhis election
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:07 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:I've never understood the reluctance for landlords to take housing benefit people. e: Jose posted:its ok the PLP have decided Yvette cooper will be their saviour after corbyn loses trhis election
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Seaside Loafer posted:I've never understood the reluctance for landlords to take housing benefit people. Like if you're a medium-to-large scale landlord and 40% of your housing stock is occupied by people on HB and there's some cap or huge cut introduced to help save up for the Brexit Warchest, is it plausible that you can come to some arrangement with your tenants that doesn't involve kicking them out but does involve them paying enough to make your investment worth it, and non-emergency upkeep on the house affordable? Maybe, maybe not.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:12 |
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Banks may be increasingly reluctant to fund properties rented to people on housing benefit because the introduction of universal credit will lead to increased arrears among such tenants.
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learnincurve posted:They changed that, rent goes to the person claiming benefits and then paid on. They found that if people lost their jobs and had to claim benefits then the landlords would kick them out, this way (unless they know you well) they have no way of knowing if the rent comes from you or housing benefit.
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Seaside Loafer posted:I don't think that's true, I was on the universal credit September and November last year and I think there was a 'pay the rent straight to the landlord' option in it. I didn't choose that option because I didn't want her to know in case she kicked me out but I think its possible. It didn't cover the full rent but it was most of it. On less expensive places it probably would I guess. I don't understand the mentality, if you look on the website spareroom.co.uk practically every ad says 'No DSS'. This is stupid, if its a good person you cant loose if they are on benefits.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:17 |
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Pissflaps posted:He's on of those old fashioned politicians who thinks that being able to form a government is important. Erm, what? He's specifically said that he would prefer to lose an election than win on a platform he didn't agree with. In that regard he's exactly what you accuse Corbyn supporters of being.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:19 |
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Long term renting sucks, landlords who own lots of houses they rent out suck. If you rent a lone standing house for +3 years you should be able to force a buy on it. Landlord can't force you out early unless a court finds you criminally negligent or you commit a serious crime while renting. I'm more ambivalent on apartments.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:20 |
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jabby posted:Erm, what? He's specifically said that he would prefer to lose an election than win on a platform he didn't agree with. In that regard he's exactly what you accuse Corbyn supporters of being. He formed governments based on the platform he argued for. There's no contradiction there.
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Demiurge4 posted:Long term renting sucks, landlords who own lots of houses they rent out suck. If you rent a lone standing house for +3 years you should be able to force a buy on it. Landlord can't force you out early unless a court finds you criminally negligent or you commit a serious crime while renting. I'm more ambivalent on apartments. I think there might be some consequences with your 'right to buy' policy that you might not like.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:21 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:I don't think that's true, I was on the universal credit September and November last year and I think there was a 'pay the rent straight to the landlord' option in it. I didn't choose that option because I didn't want her to know in case she kicked me out but I think its possible. It didn't cover the full rent but it was most of it. On less expensive places it probably would I guess. I don't understand the mentality, if you look on the website spareroom.co.uk practically every ad says 'No DSS'. This is stupid, if its a good person you cant loose if they are on benefits. I think you need to watch some of Channel 5's quality programming. On benefits is very bad.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:23 |
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jBrereton posted:If it isn't a good person you can, though.
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:22 |
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jBrereton posted:If it isn't a good person you can, though. That's as true for people not on benefits as it is for those on benefits
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# ? May 1, 2017 12:24 |
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Pissflaps posted:He formed governments based on the platform he argued for. There's no contradiction there. And he specifically said he wouldn't want to win on a leftist platform. So why would anyone other than you, who appears to not care about the ideology of the party, want a Blairite government in power? Why do you even attempt to debate us? We at least like to think of ourselves as left wing. Blair doesn't want to be left wing. Why do you keep bringing up Blair?
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Regarde Aduck posted:And he specifically said he wouldn't want to win on a leftist platform. So why would anyone other than you, who appears to not care about the ideology of the party, want a Blairite government in power? Why do you even attempt to debate us? We at least like to think of ourselves as left wing. Blair doesn't want to be left wing. Why do you keep bringing up Blair? I want a centre left labour government. That's not out of kilter with the ideology of the Labour Party. Also, I didn't bring up Blair. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 12:39 on May 1, 2017 |
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Pissflaps posted:I want a centre left labour government. That's not out of kilter with the ideology of the Labour Party. Well that brings us to the nub of the problem, which is that the internal coalition of the Labour Party appears to be breaking down irretrievably at the same time as the historic voter coalition is falling apart over inner city professional/working class conflicts. e: this is not Corbyn's fault, it's probably fairer to say that the voters who became disillusioned under the Blair years are not being drawn back by him, while at the same time the core who remained happy with Blair are being actively repelled. And that's how you get to a point where Labour is looking like hitting rock bottom at this election. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 12:35 on May 1, 2017 |
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A lot of by to let mortgage providers specifically prohibit borrowers from renting their property to people on housing benefit
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Seaside Loafer posted:Well thats the point of interviewing your tenants isn't it. Are you suggesting people on benefits are inherently a bunch of scumbags not worthy of having a roof over their heads? More housing being built would help this unfortunate situation.
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kustomkarkommando posted:A lot of by to let mortgage providers specifically prohibit borrowers from renting their property to people on housing benefit exactly how far do people have to go before they start legally discriminating? Fergus Wilson not being dead/in prison is an affront to the rule of law jBrereton posted:No, I'm saying that people on HB are more or less like any other tenant, but typically with less stuff to put up as collateral/less chance of successfully getting the money you are owed if it ends up in small claims court. I can understand why banks won't lend to landlords in that instance, and hence why landlords are reluctant to take them on as a result. and you think this should be legal?
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Demiurge4 posted:Long term renting sucks, landlords who own lots of houses they rent out suck. If you rent a lone standing house for +3 years you should be able to force a buy on it. Landlord can't force you out early unless a court finds you criminally negligent or you commit a serious crime while renting. I'm more ambivalent on apartments. As I understand it you're generally better off avoiding landlords who rent out single or small numbers of houses as they are more likely not to have enough cash to maintain the place properly. jBrereton posted:No, I'm saying that people on HB are more or less like any other tenant, but typically with less stuff to put up as collateral/less chance of successfully getting the money you are owed if it ends up in small claims court. I can understand why banks won't lend to landlords in that instance, and hence why landlords are reluctant to take them on as a result. Interesting article in this week's Economist on this: https://www.economist.com/blogs/speakerscorner/2017/04/battle-builders
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Spangly A posted:Fergus Wilson not being dead/in prison is an affront to the rule of law
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Alchenar posted:e: this is not Corbyn's fault, it's probably fairer to say that the voters who became disillusioned under the Blair years are not being drawn back by him, while at the same time the core who remained happy with Blair are being actively repelled. And that's how you get to a point where Labour is looking like hitting rock bottom at this election. A bunch of polls have Labour around the same level as Miliband in 2015 though? The difference is the huge jump the Tories have made by pandering to the UKIP base and stealing all their voters.
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Pissflaps posted:I want a centre left labour government. That's not out of kilter with the ideology of the Labour Party. Would you rather have Corbyn's Labour or the Tories?
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jabby posted:Would you rather have Corbyn's Labour or the Tories? In government? Corbyn's labour.
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knox_harrington posted:
I'll ignore the "Lol the loving economist" and point out your article says that under tory government, tory councils build more houses, then blames this on Labour hence "lol the loving economist". Here's some evidence, and an editorial that never fails to utterly disagree with it.
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