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Bobby Digital posted:Check out Myth 9. well poo poo, I got distracted by the pretty heat maps
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TheBigAristotle posted:Genuine question as I never played organized with any type of coach: I think a big part of this might also come from the limited amount of training time a lot of these clubs get once the season is in full gear. I imagine it already takes lots of time trying to get a disparate cast of players to attack with consistency and fluidity. There might not be enough hours in the day to deal solely with set pieces if your defense is not porous and your side is otherwise on the front foot in almost all your matches. Plus, I'd like to see how many of the set piece follies go away when the first choice defenders are around. That at least seems to be a factor for Liverpool. I'm not sure if it really affects City, Man-U, Spurs, Arsenal or Chelsea as badly.
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fat gay nonce posted:http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2007.pdf Ty, fat gay nonce.
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Was it steve bruce who didn't coach set pieces at all and his teams conceded masses of them?
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Brony Car posted:I think a big part of this might also come from the limited amount of training time a lot of these clubs get once the season is in full gear. I imagine it already takes lots of time trying to get a disparate cast of players to attack with consistency and fluidity. There might not be enough hours in the day to deal solely with set pieces if your defense is not porous and your side is otherwise on the front foot in almost all your matches. Per Who Scored, goals conceded by the top 6 from set pieces (not pens) Arsenal -4 Liverpool -5 Spurs -5 City -6 Chelsea -7 United -8 I can tell you from a Spurs perspective, at least 3 of those goals were conceded with defenders I'd consider a pair of first choice around (Toby, Jan, Sanchez). If I had to guess, it really is a fine margins thing, but also there are just generally better players back there to defend.
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I wonder if the generally accepted zonal approach is why it feels like fewer goals get scored from corners and why more seem to fail to clear the first defender?
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Bundy posted:I wonder if the generally accepted zonal approach is why it feels like fewer goals get scored from corners and why more seem to fail to clear the first defender? I think it's that, and the resulting rise in short corners to get players to move out of their assigned zones, so that occasionally you get goals that came from the play out of the set piece, instead of directly from the set piece itself.
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I often remark on how stupid it is that teams can't even clear the first defender at a corner. But perhaps it's a factor of them trying more frequently to do the flick-on (4.8% chance of goal vs. 2.0% for regular corners). When you fail to nail the flick-on it's much more noticeable than when you just swing it in and it gets cleared.
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sassassin posted:When they fail man marking systems fall apart way worse than zonal ones. Saw a Norwich game the other day where a player got the run on his man and so had a free header in ten yards of space on the penalty spot. When zonal marking fails, pundits blame the system while when it's man marking, they tend to blame the player.
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gtkor posted:Per Who Scored, goals conceded by the top 6 from set pieces (not pens) Considering the height in United's squad, they really shouldn't be this bad
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After actual years of not scoring from corners we're fairly good at it under rafa
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Vegetable posted:I often remark on how stupid it is that teams can't even clear the first defender at a corner. But perhaps it's a factor of them trying more frequently to do the flick-on (4.8% chance of goal vs. 2.0% for regular corners). When you fail to nail the flick-on it's much more noticeable than when you just swing it in and it gets cleared. The most effective type of delivery is flat, moving fast and just over head height for the whole width of the goal. These create multiple danger zones for attackers to score from. It's hard to get this exactly right so any slightly underhit cross will get cut out but the first man who is by-design standing in the ideal zone to do just that. Any idiot can "beat the first man" with a cross, lofting it high into the mixer. But these crosses are much easier for defenders to deal with, especially by the goalkeeper. Single danger zone, less lateral pace on the ball. Been seeing a lot of high crosses beyond the back post this season, and not just because it was a clear weakness in Swansea's zonal system (West Brom players talked about it after they beat us). A header back across goal into a disrupted penalty area creates chances. And if your player is really good they might loop one in direct.
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https://twitter.com/samjon_es/status/1093636479086194688
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gtkor posted:Per Who Scored, goals conceded by the top 6 from set pieces (not pens) One thing to note is that teams aren't defending the same amount of set pieces or corners. Couldn't find stats for overall set pieces conceded per game, but for corners: Man City 2.46 per game (64 total) Liverpool 3.32 (83) Chelsea 3.84 (96) United 4.64 (116) Spurs 4.88 (122) Arsenal 5.04 (126)
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Gone already
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Apolis posted:Spurs 4.88 (122) So close.
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Listening to football weekly I was just reminded that Kloppo the Clown loaded off Clyne lol
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Shrapnig posted:So close. Lmao
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The body that was recovered is salas
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Jose posted:The body that was recovered is salas Wow, most strikers don’t like getting stuck in
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Jose posted:The body that was recovered is salas rip
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Looke posted:I guess Cardiff can claim back now Who cares?
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sassassin posted:The most effective type of delivery is flat, moving fast and just over head height for the whole width of the goal. These create multiple danger zones for attackers to score from. It's hard to get this exactly right so any slightly underhit cross will get cut out but the first man who is by-design standing in the ideal zone to do just that.
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Apolis posted:One thing to note is that teams aren't defending the same amount of set pieces or corners. Couldn't find stats for overall set pieces conceded per game, but for corners: This makes sense too, but does make City's number a bit strange. I'd guess the way Fernandinho tactically fouls everyone the moment they start an attack, they probably don't concede a ton of set pieces in dangerous areas anyway.
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Ashley just sold this for £120m https://twitter.com/bigchrisholt/status/1093887810111717376
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gtkor posted:This makes sense too, but does make City's number a bit strange. I'd guess the way Fernandinho tactically fouls everyone the moment they start an attack, they probably don't concede a ton of set pieces in dangerous areas anyway. Fernandinhowns
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Well yeah, if you force him to play further forward, he is going to win the ball up there instead of where it would make more sense for him to.
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gtkor posted:Well yeah, if you force him to play further forward, he is going to win the ball up there instead of where it would make more sense for him to. What amazes me is how he manages to win the tackles against much larger opponents. Dude is a little powerhouse.
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The ball stays the same size. Sometimes it’s easier to pick the pocket of a hulk than an elf.
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Legitimately the best player of the current era
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Byolante posted:Legitimately the best player of the current era on a related note, phil jones has signed a new long-term contract juve will have to make do with chiellini and bonucci for a few more years yet
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Cannon_Fodder posted:What amazes me is how he manages to win the tackles against much larger opponents. Dude is a little powerhouse. It’s like being tackled by a ferret.
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Rodgers is the preferred candidate to be newcastle manager if Benitez walks at the end of the season
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Jose posted:Rodgers is the preferred candidate to be newcastle manager if Benitez walks at the end of the season fans expecting success from a mid table team, an owner siphoning funds from the club, sacking rafa and getting rodgers. Have you decided which racist cannibal you are going to sign?
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brodgers at newcastle is the perfect fit
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Byolante posted:fans expecting success from a mid table team, an owner siphoning funds from the club, sacking rafa and getting rodgers. You missed the Hodgson link that would make the Liverpool comparison apt. I wonder if Hodgson could do a job at Newcastle. He certainly wouldn't give Ashley any grief.
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Jose posted:Rodgers is the preferred candidate to be newcastle manager if Benitez walks at the end of the season I mean, it could be worse I suppose
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david wagner was the other manager linked
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