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Spylde posted:A teaser for Foundation TV series just dropped: i loving knew it. guy mentions Star Wars as the very first thing. they bought the Foundation license to make budget star wars 
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It certainly looks neat, and I'll give almost anyone with Jared Harris in it a try. Something I've seen pointed out is that none of the characters have any defining traits other than what they do, and that's going to cause a lot of weird angry nerds to get salty that "Harry Selton would never do that!".
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Jun 23, 2020 21:15
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i'm going to be pissed if i don't see some heliconian twisting
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Jun 23, 2020 23:34
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I dunno, I can see the original story in the fringes of the trailer, and hell, trailers often lie. It could be pulling a Bridge to Teribithia, and most or all of the action in the show is what we seen in 2 minutes of trailer. I suspect it will be otherwise, though. 
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Jun 24, 2020 00:43
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i cant wait to see someone get disintegrated by an atomic blaster
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Jun 24, 2020 04:33
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Schwarzwald posted:Yeah, it's like, his name is on the front cover. You can't be too disappointed when you end up with a story that reads like he wrote it. I disagree: Prelude sucks but Forward's pretty great.
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Jun 24, 2020 05:57
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Spylde posted:A teaser for Foundation TV series just dropped: David Goyer says at the start of this video that Apple is basically Foundation realized which is, man...there is little you could have said to turn me away from this project harder.
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Jun 24, 2020 16:33
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It's David Goyer honestly I'm not sure he's a person as we would conventionally conceive of one. He's like this golem of industry buzzwords. I admire his hustle and carving out a rarefied niche as a powerful writer/producer of Geek crap for about 25 years, but being real I don't think I've ever liked a single project he's written beyond "that was passable."
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Jun 24, 2020 17:29
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mind the walrus posted:It's David Goyer honestly I'm not sure he's a person as we would conventionally conceive of one. He's like this golem of industry buzzwords. I admire his hustle and carving out a rarefied niche as a powerful writer/producer of Geek crap for about 25 years, but being real I don't think I've ever liked a single project he's written beyond "that was passable." I enjoyed Dark City and Batman Begins. The Dark Knight is legit great. He's had a lot of misses, though.
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Jun 24, 2020 17:46
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Rutibex posted:i cant wait to see someone get disintegrated by an atomic blaster That's great and all but it points both ways
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Jun 24, 2020 18:18
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jng2058 posted:I enjoyed Dark City and Batman Begins. The Dark Knight is legit great. He's had a lot of misses, though. I honestly never thought any of them were that well written, just well-made. Again I'd describe him as someone whose highest ceiling is "passable."
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Jun 24, 2020 18:41
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I recently read "The Feeling of Power" and it's a great testament to Asimov's aptitude for storytelling. It's only ten pages and it packs in a tight narrative, big ideas, and emotion.
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Jun 24, 2020 20:17
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one of asimovs rare short stories in the Warhammer 40k universe
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Jun 24, 2020 21:29
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Tnuctip posted:As a giant dork it always irked me that the FTL mechanics were never hinted at in the foundation series. Actually, it doesn't totally work like BSG. Because when you hyperjump you die. But it's only for a moment. One of his short stories that used Powell and Donovan (I love every short with those two in it) had them testing the first hyperdrive. But designing it bricked one of the big brain computers because of the first law, so everyone was real confused with US Robotic's Brain was able to do it. Good story, can't remember it's name though. Also the End of Eternity is pretty good, and explains in no uncertain terms that there's no aliens in the galaxy.
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Jul 17, 2020 16:41
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CainFortea posted:Actually, it doesn't totally work like BSG. Because when you hyperjump you die. but what if you die every time you hyper jump in BSG?  if you want to be super nerd the real answer is hyper jumps are different between the two in their reaction to gravity wells. the hyperdrives from Foundation could not do a jump near a planet or a star, the gravity interferes with it. so the majority of space travel time is actually spent slowboating to the edge of the solar system to make your jump. this would be impossible with a Foundation hyperdrive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AjXgY35iZg&t=98s
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Jul 17, 2020 16:52
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One of the foundation books has someone jumping out of a gravity well way too early and it knocks everyone out. Mainly I just wanted to mention Powell and Donovan because they're probably my favorite Asimov characters. Edit: TIL that there are TWO movies made on the Nightfall story.
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Jul 17, 2020 16:58
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CainFortea posted:One of the foundation books has someone jumping out of a gravity well way too early and it knocks everyone out. yeah its a shame Susan Calvin got to be in the I, Robot movie but Powell and Donovan got left behind 
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Jul 17, 2020 17:09
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Rutibex posted:yeah its a shame Susan Calvin got to be in the I, Robot movie but Powell and Donovan got left behind Yea but considering how they mucked it up it's probably a good thing.
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Jul 17, 2020 17:23
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...Van Vogt was the 3rd big name in the golden age of science fiction? I know Voyage of the Space Beagle had a lasting influence. But a lot of his work is real bad.
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Jul 22, 2020 09:16
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A niche in time saves Stein 
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Jul 24, 2020 16:31
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Rutibex posted:yeah its a shame Susan Calvin got to be in the I, Robot movie but Powell and Donovan got left behind CainFortea posted:Yea but considering how they mucked it up it's probably a good thing. I, Robot is a perfectly okay sci-fi movie if you remember that it started out as a completely independent script called "Hardwired". Fairly late in the process they remembered they owned the rights to an Asimov collection, so they did a very quick rewrite which mostly consisted of shoehorning in some character names like Susan Calvin, some famous moments from the stories, and some lip service to the Three Laws. The overall plot and tone were pretty much untouched. I don't have particularly high hopes for the upcoming Foundation series, but at least it's been Foundation from day one.
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Jul 24, 2020 16:56
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Powered Descent posted:I don't have particularly high hopes for the upcoming Foundation series, but at least it's been Foundation from day one. I just wonder how far they will take the story. Foundation kind of peters out and the later books are really different than the earlier ones. I hope they stick to the original three books only
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Jul 24, 2020 17:05
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Powered Descent posted:I, Robot is a perfectly okay sci-fi movie if you remember that it started out as a completely independent script called "Hardwired". Fairly late in the process they remembered they owned the rights to an Asimov collection, so they did a very quick rewrite which mostly consisted of shoehorning in some character names like Susan Calvin, some famous moments from the stories, and some lip service to the Three Laws. The overall plot and tone were pretty much untouched. Personally, I don't find movies better when I remember to take out all the poor choices they made during it. Like if they wanted to just give a nod to the story with Nestor in it they could have just named it that and let the rest go.
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Jul 24, 2020 17:13
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habituallyred posted:...Van Vogt was the 3rd big name in the golden age of science fiction? I know Voyage of the Space Beagle had a lasting influence. But a lot of his work is real bad. He tried to incorporate psychology and anthropology into his stories at a time when that was unusual, though it’s arguable how well it worked: in the story that supposedly influenced the movie Alien, they figure out the alien will try to reproduce by reasoning that it’s basically a peasant farmer who will want to have a child to carry on its name. Okay. And didn’t he also write about women having to take drugs to make them less womany because otherwise they couldn’t work on a spaceship?
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Jul 24, 2020 18:02
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Action Jacktion posted:And didn’t he also write about women having to take drugs to make them less womany because otherwise they couldn’t work on a spaceship?
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Jul 24, 2020 18:19
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Powered Descent posted:I don't have particularly high hopes for the upcoming Foundation series, but at least it's been Foundation from day one. Yes, whatever else at least the underlying ground upon which it is built is Foundation. There's no denying the overall basis on which the film is supported is the Foundation story. It certainly was established and endowed with the purpose of being Foundation. I dunno where I'm going with this, it seemed funnier before I wrote it out.
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Jul 24, 2020 20:53
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Schwarzwald posted:Yes, whatever else at least the underlying ground upon which it is built is Foundation. foundation!
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Jul 24, 2020 20:57
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Schwarzwald posted:Yes, whatever else at least the underlying ground upon which it is built is Foundation. They changed the character who's most famous quote is "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" to be someone hauling around a gun. I don't think they're really building ON the foundation so much as near it.
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Jul 24, 2020 21:03
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CainFortea posted:They changed the character who's most famous quote is "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" to be someone hauling around a gun. where do they show Salvor Hardin holding a gun? the trailer is pretty vague, the only person i could recognize was Hari Seldon
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Jul 24, 2020 22:00
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Rutibex posted:where do they show Salvor Hardin holding a gun? the trailer is pretty vague, the only person i could recognize was Hari Seldon This bit:  Is preceded by this bit:  Which looks like this actress: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3238246/?ref_=tt_cl_t4 Who has her listed as playing "Salvor" no last name.
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Jul 24, 2020 22:07
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thats clearly not Salvor Hardin, that is a lady
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Jul 24, 2020 22:08
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CainFortea posted:They changed the character who's most famous quote is "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" to be someone hauling around a gun. Adjacent to Foundation was really one of Asimov's lesser books.
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Jul 24, 2020 22:08
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Rutibex posted:thats clearly not Salvor Hardin, that is a lady Salvor's gender is like, the least important bit of his character. Also they already gender swapped 2 other characters so it's not like rules anything out.
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Jul 24, 2020 22:09
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CainFortea posted:Salvor's gender is like, the least important bit of his character. Also they already gender swapped 2 other characters so it's not like rules anything out.  thats true, gender doesn't really matter to any of asimovs characters they are all just avatars of of some basic idea or concept. i'm not a fan of the blaster though
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Jul 24, 2020 22:14
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Rutibex posted:
And if they didn't do any gender-swapping, then the show would be a complete sausage-fest for, what, the first three hundred years? If I'm not mistaken, Bayta is the first female character of any consequence in the whole trilogy and she doesn't appear until halfway through. I think I can forgive a change here and there. Agreed on the gun, though (assuming that's what it actually is).
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Jul 24, 2020 22:58
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I hope they gender swap the Mule. That would be kind of interesting to explore.
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Jul 24, 2020 23:03
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Powered Descent posted:And if they didn't do any gender-swapping, then the show would be a complete sausage-fest for, what, the first three hundred years? If I'm not mistaken, Bayta is the first female character of any consequence in the whole trilogy and she doesn't appear until halfway through. I think I can forgive a change here and there. Yea, I mean the only one of the swapped characters that even has a slight argument against swapping is Daneel, because of the whole "this robot is my husband" thing from the Baily series. And that's pretty easily dodged by A) not referencing those stories and 2) he's a robot just changed body beep boop.
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Jul 24, 2020 23:12
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Rutibex posted:I hope they gender swap the Mule. That would be kind of interesting to explore. I'm afraid of them going for 'I Can't Have Babies So I Am A Monster' route a la avengers and black widow, now that you say it.
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Jul 25, 2020 02:33
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Musluk posted:I'm afraid of them going for 'I Can't Have Babies So I Am A Monster' route a la avengers and black widow, now that you say it. It's pretty heavily implied that's a big part of the Mule's motivation anyway. His speech about "Quadrillions of them, and only ONE of me!"
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Musluk posted:I'm afraid of them going for 'I Can't Have Babies So I Am A Monster' route a la avengers and black widow, now that you say it. If they gender-swap the Mule this is exactly how it will come across.
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