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A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
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Ardennes posted:

Wait aristocracies aren’t genetic? Is chairman Xi considered a monarch?
The American President is a monarch by design, and has only amassed more power over time. Not sure where Xi falls though, how does his position compare to that of POTUS?

CongoJack posted:

They are, but like 10,000 aristocratic families will keep the status quo as best they can. King Doofus the XII might do something interesting
It’s a pure numbers game. If you have a bunch of aristocrats, the chance of the average shifting dramatically due to random chance is infinitesimal, but with a single roll for a monarch you have a much higher chance of rapid shifts.

A Buttery Pastry has issued a correction as of 10:04 on May 11, 2021

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projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


I want to be a craven vizier whose wicked plot is easily foiled by the holy monarch, whose clear vision and devout faith allowed him to see through my tricks

Seems like a good gig

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

StashAugustine posted:

can we do arachno monarchism, op?

:hmmyes:

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
I'd like to live in a kingdom where being the king's royal buttwiper is considered an amazing job which will help both me and my family.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Terminal autist posted:

they're identical in execution.

if only!!!!

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Finally they made one

Interview with The United Monarchist Party of America Founder Austin Pomper



http://www.american3rdpartyreport.com/2021/08/interview-with-united-monarchist-party.html

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

quote:

6. Who would be King and what would that process look like?

Answer: That has not yet been decided for a few reasons. One, we are not at a place where we have enough political momentum for such a decision to be timely. Two, such a choice will be decided by what’s called an interregnum council which would be provided with all the resources necessary to properly deliberate on such a choice. And lastly, choosing now would be irresponsible because the candidate will automatically become the “face” of the movement and as such exposed to unnecessary and unwarranted attention. Anyone opposed to us would do anything in their power to find gossip or dirt about that individual, or their family if they are desperate, and attacks on them would be tantamount to attacking the movement and would invariably be used to discredit the movement and its principles.

There are two main criteria for who it can or would be: that they be a US citizen or have birthright citizenship, and that they be identifiably different from the masses. Why? One, Citizenship would provide them constitutional legitimacy and so would most likely be needed in the future. Two, as of the 2020 census there are over 331 million people in the USA so going through a list of that many people would be impractical, and what claim to a future monarchy could one average citizen possibly have over any other? Thus, they need to be “identifiably different” from everyone else and that also helps to cut down the list of possible claimants.
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9. Bourbon or Bonaparte?

Answer: I don’t really concern myself with the claimants to the French Throne. I do admire both Louis XIV and Napoleon Bonaparte; I suppose it is up to the French whether they want an Empire or a Kingdom to see which of the Three claims they want to have as sovereign of France.

Boo, that is an unserious person unwilling to take a stand on the issues we care about. Name the claimant!

Why would a monarch need to be a citizen anyway? That's the sort of creeping nationalism that undermined European monarchies in the first place.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

It needs to be trump or jeb

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


the king can only move one space in any direction I don't see what the big loving deal is

ProperGanderPusher
Jan 13, 2012




Meh, liberal democracy has proven to be a big wet fart with lamer aesthetics. Bring back da kangs.

goochtit
Nov 2, 2021



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlk_sLMfnBg

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer

yes I'm a huge dumbass but at least I never stop and take criticism with a smile

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
bmup

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

really queer Christmas posted:



What is a Monarchy?

A monarchy is a government that has fallen out of favor in recent history. Recent history has proven to suck major rear end. I don't think this is a coincidence! A monarchy itself is a government based around one dude or gal who runs the whole drat country with absolute power. What they say goes. This thread does not recognize the abhorrent affront to the Lord God that is :shrek: constitutional monarchies. :shrek: In an absolute government, since there's only one person who gets all the power - what they want and what the country wants is one and the same! Tired of not getting your way in a dumb democracy? Then just surrender your will to the monarch! So much more of life's frustrations become the guy in charges problem and your life gets to be about what you want to do (so long as you don't happen to go into the royal hunting grounds)!

But wait, how does one become the monarch?

That's the beautiful part - you are ordained by God, Allah, the spirits, or whatever deity you happen to worship! Your deity has chosen a family to rule over the land and have blessed them with the ability and power to do so! Tired of election fraud? Unhappy about losing elections to establishment toadies who only care about enriching themselves? Elections go against the will of the divine! As the divine has seen fit to bless our monarch with all the power! There will be no more need for elections thanks to our wonderful monarchs!



If only one family and person has power, then wouldn't that mean that the entirety of society is at the whims of someone who may not even be cut out for power?

Nonsense! The royal family is not only ordained by the divine, but are raised from birth with the understanding that they will one day rule the land! Allowing them to be given the best education and understanding needed to rule over their people justly! Compare this to your democracies where you routinely choose between the lesser of two evils and determining who will hurt you the least. In a monarchy, there are no choices! Because you already have the best choice possible!

Don't monarchies intermarry a lot and cause their children to become incredibly inbred and stupid?



I don't understand the question.

Wouldn't a government that is made of the people controlling the means of their production, better serve the interests of the people th-

Wow! That sounds like communism! An ideology so terrible it actually destroyed the last great monarchy in the western world! Prior to the advent of your so called liberal democracies, peasants were given up to half the year off as well as free medical care! Why would such an evil ideology do such a thing? Because a monarch cannot rule an unhappy peasantry! And the wise monarchs of the world knew that a happy peasantry is a productive peasantry that didn't try to rise up and foolish institute some kind of democracy! The Kings and Queens of olden days clearly knew the untold troubles we are now experiencing without their wise guidance!



Why would I want to be a monarchist and support never having power?

You already don't have power! And you likely never will! May as well make sure the liberals get what's coming to them!

Please post ITT in favor of monarchism and let others know which monarchs are your favorite! There's not too many these days, but thats no reason to dream about the good old days where monarchs ruled nearly every nation on earth!

:agreed:

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Thinking of getting the Kingdom of Rizia DLC but really hoping for a Kingdom of Rivia mod.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

kingo

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.
Surely the king would put a stop to this if he knew about it

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
Voted 5, bookmarked.

Son of Sorrow
Aug 8, 2023


Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
I think it would be neat to have someone with a fancy hat everyone could look up to as a national symbol. I could go for a royal line of ascended haberdashers

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

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Toilet Rascal
elective monarchy. y/n?

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
The most monarchist political philosophy is liberalism because every fellow is the monarch of their own domain. Most monarchs = most monarchist

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

elective monarchy. y/n?
That's what the US has

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

elective monarchy. y/n?

why even bother

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

elective monarchy. y/n?

not worth the opinion bonus

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023



only king I need, thanks

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008





just write it the normal way: 𒀭𒆥𒄖

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

I’m in favor of installing a monarch, because it will, corollarily, own the libs.

if we make it an elective monarchy they can't even complain

Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009


Terminal autist posted:

I mean whats the difference between today's billionaires and yesterday's monarchs? There is like slight differences in the pomp and circumstance but they're identical in execution. Trump is a landed gentry with unearned generational wealth and completely deranged absolute authority wielding maniac. He even has golden loving toilets, that being said the ruling class in the past at least had some loving taste.

Noblesse oblige and patronage of the arts was pretty cool, if you were lucky enough to enjoy it rather than die in a famine or some foreign adventure.

Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009


War and Pieces posted:

if we make it an elective monarchy they can't even complain

Monarchy by sortition would be fuckin lit. Elections suck.

Nuclearmonkee has issued a correction as of 02:51 on May 13, 2024

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

There are occasionally enlightened despots.

Ashoka (3rd century BC India) had a decent agenda outlined in his stone pillar declarations:

-Abolition of the death penalty (Pillar Edict IV)
-Plantation of banyan trees and mango groves, and construction of resthouses and wells, every 800 metres (1/2 mile) along the roads. (Pillar Edict 7).
-Restriction on killing of animals in the royal kitchen (Rock Edict 1); the number of animals killed was limited to two peacocks and a deer daily, and in future, even these animals were not to be killed.
-Provision of medical facilities for humans and animals (Rock Edict 2).
-Encouragement of obedience to parents, "generosity toward priests and ascetics, and frugality in spending" (Rock Edict 3).
He "commissions officers to work for the welfare and happiness of the poor and aged" (Rock Edict 5)
-Promotion of "the welfare of all beings so as to pay off his debt to living creatures and to work for their happiness in this world and the next." (Rock Edict 6)]

He sent buddhist missionaries as far as Greece.

platzapS has issued a correction as of 07:24 on May 13, 2024

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

War and Pieces posted:

if we make it an elective monarchy they can't even complain

Libs: hold my soy milk

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

not quite as good as Dipendra of Nepal though

quote:

On 1 June 2001, Crown Prince Dipendra opened fire at a house on the grounds of the Narayanhity Palace, the residence of the Nepalese monarchy, where a party was being held. He shot and killed his father, King Birendra, his mother, Queen Aishwarya, and seven other members of the royal family including his younger brother and sister before shooting himself in the head. Due to his wiping out of most of the line of succession, Dipendra became king while in a comatose state from the head wound.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

Nuclearmonkee posted:

Noblesse oblige and patronage of the arts was pretty cool, if you were lucky enough to enjoy it rather than die in a famine or some foreign adventure.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

War and Pieces posted:

if we make it an elective monarchy they can't even complain
What is "it"? If you're talking about the US, I feel like people are deliberately ignoring the incontestable fact that the US already is an elective monarchy, they just call the monarch the president.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
I think in a traditional elective monarchy, you elect the monarch for life. Also the president doesn't have that much of an ability to really change the direction of the American state, as can be seen for instance in Trump attempting to leave Afghanistan.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Weka posted:

I think in a traditional elective monarchy, you elect the monarch for life. Also the president doesn't have that much of an ability to really change the direction of the American state, as can be seen for instance in Trump attempting to leave Afghanistan.
Traditionally but not exclusively for life. A pretty decent chunk of American presidents also served for life.

Anyway, I don't think elective monarchs historically had much of an ability to really change the direction of their states either - but the American president has far more political and cultural power than other current heads of government.

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CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
An elective monarch was like “the chairman of the board” for the ruling class, or dominant faction of the ruling class, so they could steer the state in the direction the people that placed them there wanted. When there was internal conflict, like with Perikles, or… most of Polish history… you can see the limitations.

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