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Bula Vinaka
Oct 21, 2020

beach side
OK here's some real advice for thermal paste: don't use anything with metal particles in it (like Arctic Silver), because if you get like one speck of that on some pins or someplace it can cause shorts.

Use Arctic MX4 or MX5, which is all ceramic.

And also yeah, GPU's usually come with the fans pre-mounted and thermal paste already applied. Taking this apart to put your own preferred brand on usually just makes things worse. Don't do that!

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numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

I own an Nvidia and an AMD. :smug: and also and Intel and an Nvidia. The second one is desperately mining a dollar a day.

Skeleton Ape
Dec 21, 2008



All these companies are different flavors of Linux, not GNU

Bloodfart McCoy
Jul 20, 2007

That's a high quality avatar right there.
Holy poo poo I just bought a new laptop and had to figure out the whole chip thing.

Apparently if all you want to do is answer some emails and jerk off, the chips don’t really matter.

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER

numberoneposter posted:

I own an Nvidia and an AMD. :smug: and also and Intel and an Nvidia. The second one is desperately mining a dollar a day.

you're killing the planet, cloud

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
Intel is a company that was originally a school, The Intelligence College, an is dedicated to the study of Intellios The Shaded One.

Nvidia was a splinter group that wanted to use monster blood to heal mankind and give them super powers.

I don’t know who AMD is. Sounds made up.

I'm Crap
Aug 15, 2001

Skeleton Ape posted:

All these companies are different flavors of Linux, not GNU
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here
jorts

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here

Skeleton Ape
Dec 21, 2008




Eat a toe

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
Alright, but if I get one more stencil operation every frame, suddenly my wasted life will have meaning.

Genesplicer
Oct 19, 2002

I give your invention the worst grade imaginable: An A-minus-minus!

Total Clam
None of those chips are as tasty as Doritos. Believe me, I tried them all.



They are really good at maintaining their crunchiness, though.

Genesplicer fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 12, 2022

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER
i hope the market keeps tanking so i can save cash & buy back AMD

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

kntfkr posted:

i hope the market keeps tanking so i can save cash & buy back AMD
great deal on Luna coin right now

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 19 days!

old beast lunatic posted:

who's the dumb poo poo who bought thermal paste even though the heat sink comes with it already applied? THIS GUY RIGHT HERE.

Honestly it's only a few bucks, and if you gently caress up mounting your cooler, or ever have to remove it, or poo poo, build another computer from used parts, you'll need it anyway.

Also it seems like thermal paste expires, which I didn't know. I've had the same tube for over a decade. :shrug:

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49
why was the k6 line of processors such pieces of poo poo compared to the pentiums? they didn't route their math logics as efficiently? or did Intel buy off other hardware/software mfg's to only include code that took advantage of their procs? all I know is that 3DNow! tech did NOT wow me. No sirree.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Chip prices are mostly a rip-off. What they don't tell you is that a chip is almost completely made out of sand. Sand like from the beach. It's barely worth a penny.

Skeleton Ape
Dec 21, 2008



Materials: $0.02
Putting the material in the right place: $199
Blast processing: $42,069

Bula Vinaka
Oct 21, 2020

beach side
If you've ever wondered how they make billions of atomic sized transistors on CPUs and GPUs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photolithography

Here are some photolithographic chip making machines:





They cost around $150 million each, and can take quite some time to properly "tune", which is why we can't just build more chip making factories overnight, and why the world could be in a lot of trouble if China invades Taiwan and seizes control of these machines.

By the way, CPU's and GPU's are pretty much at the limit of how small they can get, due to a phenomenon known as "quantum tunneling", which means that if a transister is too small, an electron can jump across it, even though it's closed, which results in corruption (data comes back 0 instead of 1).

You can't just keep piling on cores either, because you get too much heat.

So that means the next stage of computing will have to have completely redesigned CPU's, motherboards, etc. for quantum computing, which is decades away from being used as everyday home computers.

ProperCauldron
Oct 11, 2004

nah chill
What's with all the generations?? So there's i3 i5 i7 i9 imgay and then each category has 13 generations? What's that about

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug

ProperCoochie posted:

What's with all the generations?? So there's i3 i5 i7 i9 imgay and then each category has 13 generations? What's that about

Marketing

pogi
Jun 11, 2014

Bula Vinaka posted:

If you've ever wondered how they make billions of atomic sized transistors on CPUs and GPUs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photolithography

Here are some photolithographic chip making machines:





They cost around $150 million each, and can take quite some time to properly "tune", which is why we can't just build more chip making factories overnight, and why the world could be in a lot of trouble if China invades Taiwan and seizes control of these machines.

By the way, CPU's and GPU's are pretty much at the limit of how small they can get, due to a phenomenon known as "quantum tunneling", which means that if a transister is too small, an electron can jump across it, even though it's closed, which results in corruption (data comes back 0 instead of 1).

You can't just keep piling on cores either, because you get too much heat.

So that means the next stage of computing will have to have completely redesigned CPU's, motherboards, etc. for quantum computing, which is decades away from being used as everyday home computers.

can you or some other nerd explain quantum computing? my baby brain understanding is that it’s a bit like the double slit experiment except instead of light it’s information???

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

ProperCoochie posted:

What's with all the generations?? So there's i3 i5 i7 i9 imgay and then each category has 13 generations? What's that about

The generations are basically "we keep tweaking the process for incremental gains, and once a year we make a new production version with the reliably good improvements". Sometimes there are huge jumps, though - typically when they finally trust a new production line that can make smaller features. (These are the nanometer numbers that keep decreasing).

The process is just a generic "how do we make a CPU core", though. To turn that into products, they make a spread from small/simple/cheap up to huge/mostly for bragging rights/$texas , much like how you go from a car platform to multiple brands and models. What's unique for silicon products is that you typically plan for there to be physical flaws in the wafers you make them out of. After making a batch of CPUs, you test them. If one core or some cache is broken, you can disable it and sell it as a cheaper model - and if it performs well up to especially high clock frequencies, you sell it as a more expensive one.

The i3/5/7/9 names are just branding, to give you an idea of where on the price/performance scale intel thinks it falls. The model numbers are roughly generation+model, so a 7800 and 8800 are both the "800" models, but from gen7 and gen8. For intel, it's roughly true that generation+10 = year, so a 7xxx was around in 2017, and a 12900 is a "900" from 2022.

HORSE-SLAUGHTERER
Nov 11, 2020

H O R S E - S L A U G H T E R E R

Bula Vinaka posted:

OK here's some real advice for thermal paste: don't use anything with metal particles in it (like Arctic Silver), because if you get like one speck of that on some pins or someplace it can cause shorts.

Use Arctic MX4 or MX5, which is all ceramic.

And also yeah, GPU's usually come with the fans pre-mounted and thermal paste already applied. Taking this apart to put your own preferred brand on usually just makes things worse. Don't do that!

lol nice thermal paste snipe :awesome:

Twat McTwatterson
May 31, 2011

Bloodfart McCoy posted:

Holy poo poo I just bought a new laptop and had to figure out the whole chip thing.

Apparently if all you want to do is answer some emails and jerk off, the chips don’t really matter.

hahaha seriously. every time I think to myself "hmm a gaming laptop would be nice" i know that i only need a laptop to look at bank accounts and jerk off

wouldn't want to mix gaming with my nasty splooge and who the fucks gonna have 2 laptops, one dedicated just for porn. especially when i look at porn back and forth between reading this forum or other video game stuff and then have a porn tab open too

Bula Vinaka
Oct 21, 2020

beach side

pogi posted:

can you or some other nerd explain quantum computing? my baby brain understanding is that it’s a bit like the double slit experiment except instead of light it’s information???

It's next level poo poo.

It doesn't use bits, but "qubits", which can be in an "uncertain" wave like state, in addition to being on or off.

So for example, take passwords. A quantum computer, can guess every single possbile password combination instantly, then, an algorithm can toss out every single wrong guess, again, instantly.

You think we have security problems now...

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER
Build the wall, Thai Juan!

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
I once saw a jpeg with the intel logo but it said "Evil inside". It made me suspicious

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

Icochet posted:

I once saw a jpeg with the intel logo but it said "Evil inside". It made me suspicious
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Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

PCs are pretty dumb unless you're a turbo nerd.

I own several but I pretty much only use them to play Binding of Isaac or to play movies or tv shows I downloaded.

I bought my main PC at a tweaker garage sale for $5 and it's an HP Ultra Slim Desktop i7 that was someone's work from home computer.

I also bought several older i7 desktops and laptops from a school district fire sale and they just sit there because what am I going to do with them. :shrug:

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Edmund Sparkler posted:

PCs are pretty dumb unless you're a turbo nerd.

I own several but I pretty much only use them to play Binding of Isaac or to play movies or tv shows I downloaded.

I bought my main PC at a tweaker garage sale for $5 and it's an HP Ultra Slim Desktop i7 that was someone's work from home computer.

I also bought several older i7 desktops and laptops from a school district fire sale and they just sit there because what am I going to do with them. :shrug:

Maybe if you had an actually good one you'd like it more

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Handle with Caution
Nap Ghost

Twat McTwatterson posted:

I get that they make computer chips. But I don't understand why some only make CPUs or GPUs or AMD happens to make both. But Intel just recently or is about to come out with their first GPU? But why hadn't they before? And why doesn't NVIDIA make CPUs?

Any pc nerds here?

the first two are companies that make graphics cards, and the third makes motherboard cpus

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

Devils Affricate posted:

Maybe if you had an actually good one you'd like it more

One of the PCs I bought from the school has a pretty good Nvidia graphics card but what games would I actually play with it? :shrug:

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Edmund Sparkler posted:

One of the PCs I bought from the school has a pretty good Nvidia graphics card but what games would I actually play with it? :shrug:

I dunno man, what kind of games do you like?

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Handle with Caution
Nap Ghost

Devils Affricate posted:

I dunno man, what kind of games do you like?

video games

Samuel L. ACKSYN
Feb 29, 2008


you could play the following games:


The Outer Wilds
Microsoft Solitaire 2.0 Extreme Edition
that atari game where u drive down a tunnel?
and the old rings or whatever u nerds are all excited about now

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

Devils Affricate posted:

I dunno man, what kind of games do you like?

Anything that's not an FPS.

I heard that Disco Elysium is pretty cool?

Thank you for a genuine response.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

Edmund Sparkler posted:

One of the PCs I bought from the school has a pretty good Nvidia graphics card but what games would I actually play with it? :shrug:
duke nukem 3d

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Handle with Caution
Nap Ghost

came out way earlier than Nvidia graphics cards, but I like what your doing here

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numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

came out way earlier than Nvidia graphics cards, but I like what your doing here
monster truck madness 2 then

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