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Ty1990 posted:I didn't read the GDT but did anybody else think Kelvin won that fight? R1: who cares R2: probably woodley R3: probably kelvin in conclusion, who cares. I think Kelvin did more overall, but round by round it's equally fair to call it for either
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Where does Lauzon go from here? Is it safe to say his chin is shot? Shame, love watching him fight.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:59
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heeebrew posted:Where does Lauzon go from here? Is it safe to say his chin is shot? Shame, love watching him fight. I wouldn't say so. Iaquinta is a stud. I'd wager Lauzon has many years as a gatekeeper left in him.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:01
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Ugh and here I thought this was the Raw GDT waaaaaaaaay off.
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So, Cowboy's being robbed - https://twitter.com/Cowboycerrone/status/562393180025262080 https://twitter.com/Cowboycerrone/status/562409592299081728 15% to management and 15% to coaches
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mewse posted:I wouldn't say so. Iaquinta is a stud. I'd wager Lauzon has many years as a gatekeeper left in him. It's impossible to tell from an outsiders perspective but what few measurements we have all point to "You should start considering this against how much money you have saved and your prospects".
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Fartbong Bonersatan posted:So, Cowboy's being robbed - In case anyone's wondering, he might be in the marginal 40% bracket for the last dollar he earns, but his effective rate will be a lot less than 40%. He probably is taking home half at most though if his people really do take 30%.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:21
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Fartbong Bonersatan posted:So, Cowboy's being robbed - jeeeesus. Good on Cowboy staying on top of his taxes + business costs but I'd be Chris Leben and hoard all the money to myself so I could buy mountains of drugs and then let UFC take care of the IRS after you retire.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:24
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i know that it's actually better, overall, than boxing, since undercard fighters don't get quite as hosed, but that just doesn't seem like much money to get hosed up over and over on purpose
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Feb 3, 2015 02:26
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It's kind of a bummer that our tax system is perfectly designed for someone to say "I'm in the 40% bracket!" and, while not actually being incorrect, be extremely misleading.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:27
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If Cowboy turned in the deposits for all those beer cans he'd never want for money.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:31
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Taxes aren't the robbery (that's a discussion for a different thread), paying 15% to two separate entities is
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Feb 3, 2015 02:32
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heeebrew posted:Where does Lauzon go from here? Is it safe to say his chin is shot? Shame, love watching him fight. did you hear the loving shot iaquinta scrambled his brains with? that would have put out anyone
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Feb 3, 2015 02:37
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Just as a matter of comparison, American Top Team charges 5% for management and training combined.
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also i have no loving idea why cerrone needs a manager. he can pretty much set his price with the ufc at contract time / not that it loving matters with all the late replacement bonuses he'd get. and setting up a fight isn't a problem because he'll fight loving anyone and organises it himself via twitter all the time. save yourself 15% you loving crazy redneck
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Feb 3, 2015 02:39
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heeebrew posted:Where does Lauzon go from here? Is it safe to say his chin is shot? No, in fact that would be a spectacularly dumb thing to say.
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Marching Powder posted:also i have no loving idea why cerrone needs a manager. he can pretty much set his price with the ufc at contract time / not that it loving matters with all the late replacement bonuses he'd get. and setting up a fight isn't a problem because he'll fight loving anyone and organises it himself via twitter all the time. save yourself 15% you loving crazy redneck He's not the smartest man.
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Marching Powder posted:also i have no loving idea why cerrone needs a manager. he can pretty much set his price with the ufc at contract time / not that it loving matters with all the late replacement bonuses he'd get. and setting up a fight isn't a problem because he'll fight loving anyone and organises it himself via twitter all the time. save yourself 15% you loving crazy redneck Someone said the Reebok deal is gonna make managers basically useless. I know Cerrone will keep certain things like the Budweiser deal after the fact, but he really doesn't need to be paying someone 15% when he makes his own matches via twitter and is well liked by the top brass and well compensated. Also I don't know why you would pay coaches a percentage instead of a sum unless he's ballparking or exaggerating.
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Marching Powder posted:also i have no loving idea why cerrone needs a manager. he can pretty much set his price with the ufc at contract time / not that it loving matters with all the late replacement bonuses he'd get. and setting up a fight isn't a problem because he'll fight loving anyone and organises it himself via twitter all the time. save yourself 15% you loving crazy redneck Cerrone once decided to trade with Nate Diaz for 15 solid minutes after a horse kicked him in the mouth a week earlier.
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Seltzer posted:Also I don't know why you would pay coaches a percentage instead of a sum Because that's how basically every top gym handles it's pro fighter contracts
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Seltzer posted:Also I don't know why you would pay coaches a percentage instead of a sum unless he's ballparking or exaggerating. it's a really good idea to reward people integral to your success in direct proportion to your success
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I'm not sure how it works in the States, but I'd imagine that your taxable bracket would be determined by net income after such expenses are deducted.
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fatherdog posted:Because that's how basically every top gym handles it's pro fighter contracts and I assume that's done because pro fighters income fluctuates for all sorts of reasons, so there are times when a flat rate would hurt the fighter and times when a flat rate would hurt the gym. 15% to me does seem high but then again the coaching and trainers that Greg Jackson brings are worth it if your goals are to win a whole hell of a lot.
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CommonShore posted:I'm not sure how it works in the States, but I'd imagine that your taxable bracket would be determined by net income after such expenses are deducted. Yeah, the IRS is not going to tax the money he pays to his coaches and agents. Well, they will, but on their returns, not Cerrone's
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heeebrew posted:Where does Lauzon go from here? Is it safe to say his chin is shot? Shame, love watching him fight. joe has always had 3 minutes of gas in him.
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Feb 3, 2015 03:36
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Depends how on top of his taxes he is. Ideally he'd be deducting expenses like gym fees, management cost, etc.
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david carmichael posted:joe has always had 3 minutes of gas in him. Nah, he fixed that a while back. His problem in this match and against Pettis is that his only standup defense is shelling up and waiting for the other guy's combo to end so he can throw leather back. He hits wicked haaahd so it works against a lot of guys, but against a guy who can switch up high and low and take angles he gets pummeled.
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What was the stupid deal that Hendricks was on? It was basically betting against yourself by getting training and housing but paying some insane percentage.
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Nibbles! posted:What was the stupid deal that Hendricks was on? It was basically betting against yourself by getting training and housing but paying some insane percentage. Here’s where you start to do the math on the money that Ehrhardt and his co-owners have pumped into Team Takedown. Between the gym, the living expenses for each fighter and coach, a weekly paycheck, plus health and dental insurance, Ehrhardt estimates that he’s already put between $4 and 5 million into the company. It’s a sizable investment for an MMA management company. It’s also why Team Takedown takes a 50 percent cut of its fighters’ earnings, which is unheard of among most MMA managers.
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I thought it kept going since Hendricks was basically subsidizing the rest of the team.
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What's next for Lawler anyway, I'd like to see him gently caress some more dudes up
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yeah. It would be a very poor business decision to base your entire company on 1 guy becoming champion and then after many years investing in him & as soon as he does you let him out of the contract.Detroit_Dogg posted:What's next for Lawler anyway, I'd like to see him gently caress some more dudes up he'll fight the winner of Hendricks/Brown or Rory/Lombard for sure. Lawler did fight 4 times in 2014 so I ain't even mad that he's taking off 6 months right now unlike the cowards Chris Weidman, Dominick Cruz, and Cain Velasquez. But yes Robbie Lawler will get back to loving up all the dudes soon and the welterweight division will feel alive for the first time in a good year.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:What's next for Lawler anyway, I'd like to see him gently caress some more dudes up I think he said he wanted to take a bit of time off and then defend somewhere in the late May-early July window. I would guess it would be vs. the winner of either Rory/Lombard or Hendricks/Brown, I guess just depending on what they think is a better fight.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:What's next for Lawler anyway, I'd like to see him gently caress some more dudes up
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Bubba Smith posted:yeah. It would be a very poor business decision to base your entire company on 1 guy becoming champion and then after many years investing in him & as soon as he does you let him out of the contract. It's not so much letting him out of the contract I just believe the contract did have a time limit on it as an indefinite contract is going to end up getting shredded in court. That doesn't preclude re-signing with the team.
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I would like to see Robbie punch Rory in the face repeatedly.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:I would like to see Robbie punch Rory in the face repeatedly. It was great the first time around, with 5 rounds it'd be even better.
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