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dookifex_maximus
Aug 10, 2016

by zen death robot
super hero comics are great because all of the messy stuff like character development takes 3 pages in the first issue and from then on its smooth sailing into uncomplicated violence against Bad Guys

see also: Law & Order

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glowstick party tonight
Oct 4, 2003

by zen death robot
I like the onion's editorial cartoon guy whiskey sours umbrella lmbo

Borrowed Ladder
May 4, 2007

monarch of the sleeping marches
Lowest form of media is tracing your hand and calling it a turkey

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
Hellboy and its spinoffs, and Beasts of Burden Hill are my favorites.

Both are inspired by pulp and horror, are extremely high concept (a devil raised by humans investigates paranormal mysteries, a group of dogs and a cat investigate paranormal pet mysteries) but are really platforms for understated and well develop characters to just react to gently caress poo poo

They're really good imo

nrook
Jun 25, 2009

Just let yourself become a worthless person!
the highest form of art is watching ta-nehisi coates's twitter feed slowly go over the past six months from highbrow left intellectualism to raving about how awesome his own comic book is

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

i thought watchmen was pretty good

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
Modern Archie stuff is pretty good.
It's amazing how Afterlife with Archie, which is literally just the walking dead but with Archie characters, managed to out class it in human drama while being a comic where zombie jughead is called jugdead and leads a horde of undead and Sabrina the teenage witch marries cthulhu

Also Archie vs Predator was funny

Putty
Mar 21, 2013

HOOKED ON THE BROTHERS

PBS Newshour posted:

Also Archie vs Predator was funny

i googled this and have found something so beautiful it transcends all mediums

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Putty posted:

i googled this and have found something so beautiful it transcends all mediums
Its art.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
Cheryl Blossom is great in both

In afterlife she goes crazy, kills her twin brother and changes her name to blaze

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

For real if anyone thinks this is weird GBS irony it's not.

Archie Comics went through a legitimate Renaissance in the last 6-7 years where management looked at all their poo poo and said "we can do better" and then went out and actually did better. Even the mainline "Archie/Jughead/Betty&Veronica" poo poo was redone with actual artists and is worth a drat instead of being frozen somewhere in 1965.

mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Sep 28, 2016

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
They also rebooted Sabrina to be like an old EC horror comic and its legit good too.

Also the new Flintstones comic is better than it has any right to be.

The Laughing Man
Sep 21, 2016

by WE B Boo-ourgeois

PBS Newshour posted:

Modern Archie stuff is pretty good.
It's amazing how Afterlife with Archie, which is literally just the walking dead but with Archie characters, managed to out class it in human drama while being a comic where zombie jughead is called jugdead and leads a horde of undead and Sabrina the teenage witch marries cthulhu

Also Archie vs Predator was funny

Putty posted:

i googled this and have found something so beautiful it transcends all mediums



Will be checking this out for sure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_vs._Predator

Flarpy
Aug 13, 2016

quote:

A good comic: We3

Agreed. Though depressing.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
Seriously check out hell boy and brpd, check out beasts of burden, check out the modern Archie stuff.
Those three things exist in this space where they are pretty genrey, not superhero comics though, but they out class their respective Peter's throughout all media.

There isn't a better paranormal investigation tv show than the hell boy or beasts of burden comics.

Comics are great at high concept genre stories. Take Gotham Central. It's Law and Order in the Batman universe and it just loving works.

Flarpy
Aug 13, 2016

Synthetic Hermit posted:

Superhero comics, yes. They're all clones of each other, with the "classic" comics all having very sterile art and plotlines, and the modern comics all having page-filling panels with busy, overcoloured artwork and ultra-grim plots/characters.

The Goon, which is another good (though uneven) comic I forgot to list makes fun of '90s superhero comics in an issue:



Also check-made other media:

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

Putty posted:

I've been thinking a bit lately about Comics and how they are kind of sub-par compared to everything else. A lot of you reading this probably have seen The Avengers or The Dark Knight, but haven't cared or bothered about the comics they're based on. With a TV show or movie you are (hopefully) treated to great visuals, pacing, and action. Books let you get immersed in the narrative with the fine details. You can get lost in some good music. Good games introduce immersive progression and reward.

Comic books (or your anime manguhs) don't really have any of this. They try to have some of the qualities I list above, but usually in a lesser degree that just makes you bored. You never hear about the hip new comic that is sweeping the nation unless you are already deep in that subculture. Jim Davis is clinically depressed.

on one hand, it sounds like you've never read a comic that you really liked. on the other hand, yeah, there aren't any, say "Blockbuster" comic book issues that the world looks forward to each release. nothing on the scale of The Avengers or Harry Potter or Call of Duty, say.

that said, the influence of comic books is pretty huge, especially on video games, television, and film, sooooo.... i dunno

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

newspaper comics definitely are. it's like the '50s never ended

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound
The original Alien Vs. Predator comics were better than any Alien, Predator or AvP content made after Aliens.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

PBS Newshour posted:

Comics are great at high concept genre stories. Take Gotham Central. It's Law and Order in the Batman universe and it just loving works.
This is the best reason that even the most mainstream comics justify their existence. Look at Gotham which is a weird hybrid of Gotham Central and an ill-advised prequel: it's not bad, but it's clearly limited by two dozen factors at all times. Gotham Central was pretty much limited by "how well and how fast can the 20 or so people making this book finish on a regular schedule?" It turns out they could do it reliably and the results remain awesome.

Y-Hat posted:

newspaper comics definitely are. it's like the '50s never ended
Ok I'm not gonna be the one to do it but someone from BSS needs to get in here and show you how right you are with Newspaper Spider-Man.

Millions of Crows
Mar 31, 2010

take a look overhead
AM radio most be somewhere near the bottom. FM one rung higher.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Millions of Crows posted:

AM radio most be somewhere near the bottom. FM one rung higher.

Although I generally like NPR, they definitely scrape the bottom of the barrel media-wise trying to squeeze out that human interest turd on a regular basis.

McGurk
Oct 20, 2004

Cuz life sucks, kids. Get it while you can.

99% of podcasts are lovely, but then again so are webcomics

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

mind the walrus posted:

A good comic: We3


Frank Quitely's art is fantastic.

Speaking of which, I really liked Flex Mentallo. That said, I've enjoyed most things by Grant Morrison. His Animal Man and Doom Patrol runs were great.

Lots of non-super hero comics are great too. Maus was a pretty haunting read. Chester Brown's Louis Riel biography was really well-done too.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

In some other countries some comics are good.
No I don't mean superhero comics which are all garbage. Even your precios Watchmen and Transmetropolitan.
No I don't mean manga either.

You mean like, TinTin and the Smurfs right? And the Smurfs spinoff, the Likpas?

Rock Or Roll
Feb 18, 2013

KiteAuraan posted:

You mean like, TinTin and the Smurfs right? And the Smurfs spinoff, the Likpas?

Persepolis was kind of cool

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

mind the walrus posted:

Ok I'm not gonna be the one to do it but someone from BSS needs to get in here and show you how right you are with Newspaper Spider-Man.
i was gonna ask if the newspaper comic mock threads were still a thing there but didn't bother putting it in my post

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Blind Sally posted:

Lots of non-super hero comics are great too. Maus was a pretty haunting read. Chester Brown's Louis Riel biography was really well-done too.
If you can handle the dweeby sexual politics of a Good Christian Boy growing up and having his first relationship, Craig Robertson's "Blankets" is really impressive from an artistic perspective. The art is this really tricky blend of being sparse enough to allow for quick visual reads and quick drawing, but detailed in an intuitively talented way that doesn't leave you feeling cheated.

After that though.... "my autobiography" is a genre into of itself in non-superhero comics. Probably the second-most popular after superheroes.

WizardVan posted:

Persepolis was kind of cool
See this one as well. It can get wearisome.

It's actually really hard to find good "non-superhero" comics to recommend because so much of the non-Marvel/DC output is about superheroes by another name. Most non-superhero books are about characters who don't wear capes or do public good in a semi-fluid status quo, but are still badasses of some kind with exceptional abilities fighting--figuratively or literally--clearly defined memorable villains in the interest of a greater cause. By this kind-of vague definition you could classify Law&Order or Columbo as a superhero work and to be blunt, I really loving would. All that really changes is the genre-flavor (street crime, western, trippy sci-fi, post-apocalyptic, pure fantasy, horror, some blend thereof).

It's like "uh sure, go read The Walking Dead, or Saga, or Sandman, or East of West, or Transmetropolitan, or The Wicked + Divine, or Pride of Baghdad, or Fables, or Hellboy" but really, the only fundamental differences are:

* How much the characters can swear
* The probability characters will die and stay dead (not as high as you might think)
* How much violence you'll see
* The amount of baggage the characters will be allowed to work through
* The probability Batman or Spider-Man will show up (and other associated shared-universe baggage)

There's nothing wrong with these mind you. It's just kind of "uhh... if you don't like superheroes but like these then I've got bad news for you..." like your Vegan friend talking about how much he loves these Southwestern Egg Rolls at Chili's.

There are good totally non-superhero books out there but unless you're talking about Archie you're going to have to loving dig for them. I'm not talking about looking one shelf over at Barnes and Noble. I mean going to your local comic shop, dealing with the employees, checking online communities for upcoming publishing lists and recommendations. It's something you have to really work for. Everything anyone recommends to you otherwise is the equivalent of when someone says "oh sure I'll get you a fat-free burger" then slaps the exact same kind-of patty down in the back.

mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Sep 28, 2016

us vs also us
Jul 8, 2007

Hello! I hope you are having a nice day!
can i post my comic in this thread

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


i like peanuts a lot or at least the classics and i have also always loved the Charlie Brown movies and the new peanuts movie was great anyways peanuts is good for a newspaper comic and foxtrot was good and farside and I really liked bloom County and the other one with opus I can't remember the name of is there an online archive of that poo poo anywhere I wanna read it again

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


black Hole



Black Hole is a really interesting science fiction coming of age comic that I first read in high school and have reread like 10 times since then. It's about a disease spreading amongst the teenagers in a small town outaide of Seattle that causes them to grow abnormal deformities on their bodies or faces. The people infected obviously attempt to hide it up to some of them living in hiding in the woods. It's got a really unique art style and I really like it check it out dudes and ladies comics can be good.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

new phone who dis posted:

Comics>Anime>Reality TV>Child Porn>Pro Wrestling.

The absolute worst/lowest media is a team sporting event viewed on a screen.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Oh, if any of you fuckers want something "hardcore" look up Crossed.

It's what that angry hosed up kid in middle school drew in his notebook taken to a professional level. It is an anthology series about a zombie virus that turns people into the "Reavers" from Firefly, only there is zero pussyfooting around. It features infant rape and dismemberment, on the page in the first issue and largely keeps at that level. I'm going to demonstrate this via various covers.

This is about as tame as it ever gets:


This is where the series likes to go with alarming regularity:

:siren::nws: THIS IS EXTREMELY NOT WORK SAFE :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: IF YOU ARE DISTURBED BY OR HAVE SUFFERED VIOLENT TRAUMA THESE IMAGES ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR VIEWING :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: I AM NOT loving JOKING :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED :nws::siren:














:siren::nws::siren:

It is not always a good book. In-fact it frequently isn't and feels like an idiot dare taken way too far. Yet it is compelling, and the best stories pull off a level of feral tension that no other zombie story can match. Why? Because you always know that if the human characters get caught and most of the time they do because they're lovely people and/or get screwed over they're not just getting dismembered. To quote Firefly "they’ll rape us to death, eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we’re very very lucky, they’ll do it in that order."

So if you find Berserk, Eli Roth, and Hellraiser too drat pedestrian... this might be worth a look.

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


mind the walrus posted:

Oh, if any of you fuckers want something "hardcore" look up Crossed.

It's what that angry hosed up kid in middle school drew in his notebook taken to a professional level. It is an anthology series about a zombie virus that turns people into the "Reavers" from Firefly, only there is zero pussyfooting around. It features infant rape and dismemberment, on the page in the first issue and largely keeps at that level. I'm going to demonstrate this via various covers.

This is about as tame as it ever gets:


This is where the series likes to go with alarming regularity:

:siren::nws: THIS IS EXTREMELY NOT WORK SAFE :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: IF YOU ARE DISTURBED BY OR HAVE SUFFERED VIOLENT TRAUMA THESE IMAGES ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR VIEWING :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: I AM NOT loving JOKING :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED :nws::siren:














:siren::nws::siren:

It is not always a good book. In-fact it frequently isn't and feels like an idiot dare taken way too far. Yet it is compelling, and the best stories pull off a level of feral tension that no other zombie story can match. Why? Because you always know that if the human characters get caught and most of the time they do because they're lovely people and/or get screwed over they're not just getting dismembered. To quote Firefly "they’ll rape us to death, eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we’re very very lucky, they’ll do it in that order."

So if you find Berserk, Eli Roth, and Hellraiser too drat pedestrian... this might be worth a look.

You should let xandoom know about this

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Like gently caress I'm going to tailor that recommendation to a specific individual. I will not be directly responsible for what happens.

us vs also us
Jul 8, 2007

Hello! I hope you are having a nice day!
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KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


mind the walrus posted:

Oh, if any of you fuckers want something "hardcore" look up Crossed.

It's what that angry hosed up kid in middle school drew in his notebook taken to a professional level. It is an anthology series about a zombie virus that turns people into the "Reavers" from Firefly, only there is zero pussyfooting around. It features infant rape and dismemberment, on the page in the first issue and largely keeps at that level. I'm going to demonstrate this via various covers.

This is about as tame as it ever gets:


This is where the series likes to go with alarming regularity:

:siren::nws: THIS IS EXTREMELY NOT WORK SAFE :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: IF YOU ARE DISTURBED BY OR HAVE SUFFERED VIOLENT TRAUMA THESE IMAGES ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR VIEWING :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: I AM NOT loving JOKING :nws::siren:

:siren::nws: YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED :nws::siren:














:siren::nws::siren:

It is not always a good book. In-fact it frequently isn't and feels like an idiot dare taken way too far. Yet it is compelling, and the best stories pull off a level of feral tension that no other zombie story can match. Why? Because you always know that if the human characters get caught and most of the time they do because they're lovely people and/or get screwed over they're not just getting dismembered. To quote Firefly "they’ll rape us to death, eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we’re very very lucky, they’ll do it in that order."

So if you find Berserk, Eli Roth, and Hellraiser too drat pedestrian... this might be worth a look.

Crossed is completely retarded edgelord poo poo for the same idiots who exclusively listen to death metal. It's trash.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I didn't say anything to the contrary.

us vs also us
Jul 8, 2007

Hello! I hope you are having a nice day!
this is a comics thread for good boys, get that trash out of here please

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mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

FINE post your comic

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