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Fallen Hamprince posted:"thank god trump saved democracy from the cia" i say whitely as i present my voter id to the voter fraud prevention agency officers guarding the only polling station in my heavily gerrymandered congressional district
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Would you support a Rosenritter axe-assault on the Imperial puppet regime in Heinessenopolis?
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Mar 12, 2017 08:28
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The CIA has had like, 2 successful coups out of how many they've backed? We'd be way more likely to turn into Iraq, Haiti Libya, Cuba, etc than Iran or Chile.
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Mar 12, 2017 08:53
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Penisaurus Sex posted:The CIA has had like, 2 successful coups out of how many they've backed? think on jfk, that was not an accident 
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Why would it matter that "American institutions would dissolve" if keeping Trump in power means those institutions are either ignored and disregarded, or are used to commit atrocities instead? The question shouldn't be whether or not Trump should be coup'ed. The question is why should the CIA be the ones doing it. (the answer is because they're the only ones with a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding, which is why the whole situation is so hosed in the long-term)
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Mar 13, 2017 12:00
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gradenko_2000 posted:Why would it matter that "American institutions would dissolve" if keeping Trump in power means those institutions are either ignored and disregarded, or are used to commit atrocities instead? 
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Mar 13, 2017 12:01
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Not going to lie, a CIA coup to oust the POTUS sounds like a pretty sweet video game Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Golden Stream
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gradenko_2000 posted:Why would it matter that "American institutions would dissolve" if keeping Trump in power means those institutions are either ignored and disregarded, or are used to commit atrocities instead? congress would probably impeach him if things got super crazy, which could be considered a coup depending on how much you like trump in the event of a constitutional crisis caused by trump going full calligula you could conceivably see the supreme court trying to do something if he starts flagrantly breaking the law and ignoring it's orders depending on how desperate they get. nothing in the constitution gives them the power to do that but the constitution wasnt written with president babyman in mind and they're the ones with the authority to decide what the constitution says if we're so deep in full meltdown territory that the other branches can't put out the garbage fire, then the joint chiefs have the (literal) boots on the ground to step in if trump starts ordering them to invade the moon to take the lizard people's purestrain gold or whatever. they wouldn't actually do that unless it becomes clear to everyone that the constitutional government has failed. the cia doesn't have the resources to pull off a coup in the us, 'cia' coups in foreign countries were in reality cia-sponsored coups carried out by locals, usually military. i guess u could have a jfk conspiracy scenario but that's hardly a coup, power would just pass to pence and constitutional government would continue as normal, probably more normal actually.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:re coup probabilities, the cia is honestly one of the less likely options Good post, I appreciate the breakdown. I guess my point was more that I think that's still more likely than a proletarian revolution.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Good post, I appreciate the breakdown. almost any realistic scenario in which trump is forced out, coup or not, involves mass demonstrations across the us's major cities in the lead-up, so the line between coup and revolution could be pretty blurry
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Mar 13, 2017 12:37
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Fallen Hamprince posted:almost any realistic scenario in which trump is forced out, coup or not, involves mass demonstrations across the us's major cities in the lead-up, so the line between coup and revolution could be pretty blurry Not at all. There is a very clear line between coup and revolution, the former derives legitimacy by "saving" a state while the latter gains it through building an entirely new one. It's just that both can easily become the other if it screws up too much. Also, coups don't require mass discontent, they just need to prove that they're better than the people they replaced.
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If Trump gets forced out of office (I don't think he will but whatever), it'll be through quiet use of the 25th amendment. It gives Republicans an out to get rid of Trump without giving him the absolutely massive stage of an impeachment trial to eviscerate them on.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i guess u could have a jfk conspiracy scenario but that's hardly a coup, power would just pass to pence and constitutional government would continue as normal, probably more normal actually. you say that but then it'll happen and we'll find out that bannon made tangerine pissbaby sign some hush-hush executive order that appoints a member of the NSC as interim commander-in-chief indefinitely, when in the event of a significant catastrophe / national emergency, and it just so happens that bannon is on the NSC, and what could be a greater national emergency than the current executive being assassinated? bing bong bing president de-facto bannon. so easy!
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yes e: if by support you mean be glad of and laugh about
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Mar 13, 2017 21:34
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yes because i loving love it when evil rich men fight and mayweather vs pacquiao already happened
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Fallen Hamprince posted:the cia doesn't have the resources to pull off a coup in the us, 'cia' coups in foreign countries were in reality cia-sponsored coups carried out by locals, usually military. i guess u could have a jfk conspiracy scenario but that's hardly a coup, power would just pass to pence and constitutional government would continue as normal, probably more normal actually. Didn't you catch the part where the CIA are working with Soros to fund and execute an AMERICAN SPRING(but in the summer) using paid protesters and useful idiots?* *Sources: Alec Jone and Freep.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:53
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Penisaurus Sex posted:The CIA has had like, 2 successful coups out of how many they've backed? iran was a success?
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Terror Sweat posted:iran was a success? It was until it wasnt.
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Mar 14, 2017 04:13
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Iran was totally a success. They got all that cheap oil for decades and had a really nice listening outpost on the Soviet border.
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Rand alPaul posted:Would you support a Rosenritter axe-assault on the Imperial puppet regime in Heinessenopolis? Also even if Yang knew Trunicht was a piece of poo poo he still was against the Military Coup!
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iran was a success in that the country hasn't completely and utterly imploded and is currently just ordinarily poo poo instead of exceptionally poo poo and ruined for generations
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Mar 14, 2017 04:50
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I'm just sad the Shah didn't get a chance to complete his nuclear program 
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Mar 14, 2017 04:56
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I would not support a coup sponsored by the CIA. I would get behind a coup sponsored by Monster Energy, or Tony Hawk skateboards. Both have a great youth market and appeal to the 32-78 age bracket.
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Plutonis posted:Also even if Yang knew Trunicht was a piece of poo poo he still was against the Military Coup! That was a mistake! If there had been a Greenhill government Terraism could have been rooted out right there! Then the Empire and Republic would be on equal footing! Bernie was always calling for peaceful mass demonstrations - but if you've seen 'All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace' you know we've already been on that ride. They have form - but they need function.
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I would not support a CIA backed coup to oust Trump, however I would not be against Trump driving around in an open convertible near grassy knolls
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The Chicago boys are coming back home!
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didn't realise the lady who wrote 'The House of Spirits' had such a successful political career
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I would not support a coup unless the clear alternative was death by thermonuclear war but I wouldn't be averse to a disgraced resignation or a hilariously ugly impeachment, OP E: Terror Sweat posted:I would not support a CIA backed coup to oust Trump, however I would not be against Trump driving around in an open convertible near grassy knolls This is not a good thing to not be against, I believe sexpot has issued a correction as of 15:45 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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sexpot posted:I would not support a coup unless the clear alternative was death by thermonuclear war good news, your ship has come in
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Chokes McGee posted:good news, your ship has come in I doubt it but I guess we'll see
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cia coup: do not read this ... ... ... ... ... AFL-CIO coup: hello
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Empowering a group of morally bankrupt and nefarious people to stop one morally bankrupt and nefarious person seems like a fools errand to me.
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VikingSkull posted:Empowering a group of morally bankrupt and nefarious people to stop one morally bankrupt and nefarious person seems like a fools errand to me. 
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VikingSkull posted:Empowering a group of morally bankrupt and nefarious people to stop one morally bankrupt and nefarious person seems like a fools errand to me. the enemy of my enemy is uh still my enemy, look the point is,
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I mean, if you really want to strike a blow against the type of people who would vote for Trump, ideally what you would do is have him overthrown in favor of a puppet government installed at the behest of global corporate interests. This is what the CIA specializes in, after all, and would be the complete opposite of the Trump presidency..... wait, no. Maybe the CIA would install a socialist utopian government free from an Orwellian surveillance apparatus if we ask them nicely? Let's go with that!
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So the organization that couldn't oust Castro is going to oust Trump. Right.
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call to action posted:So the organization that couldn't oust Castro is going to oust Trump. Right. Seems like they figured it out with Kennedy, but it's hard to tell just how much of a steadying hand the mob had on that whole operation.
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call to action posted:So the organization that couldn't oust Castro is going to oust Trump. Right. They won't have trouble in a bay this time since they just need to drive a few blocks over
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