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I just can't get enough Gender. Gender, gender, gender
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Mar 16, 2017 15:45
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EorayMel posted:Remember when you got banned by Ralp but then Ralp got banned i member
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Mar 16, 2017 15:45
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walgreenslatino posted:no one has ever explained to me how to pronounce latinx out loud, and my assumption is it's because these people don't interact with others offline so it never occurred to them [latinəks] just like latino except you have an x
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Mar 16, 2017 15:53
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Isn't the gender neutral for latino and latina latin?
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Mar 16, 2017 15:56
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Arrhythmia posted:[latinəks] It's spanish so the x is an h sound. Latin-eh.
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Mar 16, 2017 15:59
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There was a cool study where a person got a bunch of Europeans to describe poo poo like bridges or keys etc. In the languages where keys were fem. they called them things like bright, shiny, but in languages where they're masc. people called them heavy, rusty or big. It makes it really hard to translate novels for English speakers where you're like why the gently caress am supposed to think a boulder is sleek and delicate because its a bouldera or whatever. Also the German profession thing is because they're super anal about grammar and it's literally impossible to say someone is whatever without implying they have a schlong or vagoo for some jobs like not 'chairman' but 'possesses-a-uterus-cutter-of-hair' level.
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Mar 16, 2017 16:04
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Hammerite posted:I just can't get enough Gender. Oh baby, I'm going to gender you up all night long. It's going to be the best gender you ever had.
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Mar 16, 2017 16:07
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:I hear ya but I'm a straight male. There are other perspectives I wanted to learn about idk, did y9ou try asking someone who identifies as that
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Mar 16, 2017 17:04
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If all they do is replace the ending with an x how are they gonna social justice words like dominatrix or gladiatrix or whatever? Checkmate
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Mar 16, 2017 18:50
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I can barely remember people's names or faces, don't expect me to remember their gender too
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Mar 16, 2017 18:56
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Maya Fey posted:op I think you'll find that factory is feminine and toilet is masculine in the french language in russian there are two words for factory and one is masculine and one is feminine. toilet is masculine
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Mar 16, 2017 19:19
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El papa: the Pope La papa: the potato People have died for mixing this poo poo up
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Mar 16, 2017 19:40
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poverty goat posted:El papa: the Pope rip the guy who mashed the pope
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Mar 16, 2017 19:47
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Randarkman posted:I'm pretty sure "man" originally just meant human, you put a prefix before it to indicate that someone was male in the same way as "woman".
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Mar 16, 2017 20:40
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I am a proud Werman but only under the full moon, otherwise I'm a huge bitch and a loser
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Mar 16, 2017 21:18
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In several aboriginal Australian languages the noun classes are male, female, neutral, and 'root vegetable', the last category is essentially for anything shaped like a dilz, not specifically things that grow underground, it's p funny
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Mar 16, 2017 21:20
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The "man originally just meant human" theory isn't true, male human was always implicit and the double meaning likely comes from not caring about women. Wermann would just be man twice in Old English.
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Mar 16, 2017 23:20
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Let us English posted:Nuked as in deleted, not even gassed? Got a link? My review of the game angered 2k PR to the point where he had a Twitter meltdown and had to be fired. I would enjoy reading a mod meltdown along the same lines. It's actually "un problema" because "problema" is a masculine word even though it has an a at the end. This happened with a bunch of Greek loan words and other weird edge cases like el programa, el idioma, el mapa, el tema, etc. It's incredibly annoying and the only way to get around it is to have a really good understanding on the linguistic origins of words (which is pretty hard because Spanish loves loving with the spelling of old loanwords), memorize a really long list of exceptions, or spend years immersed in a culture where people already know what the exceptions are. It's annoying as gently caress, actually. So gently caress gendered nouns. They don't add anything to the language besides a vague "poetic" quality and they make everything harder to learn. Also sexism, I guess, but mostly they're just stupid.
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Mar 17, 2017 00:08
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Better than irregular verbs tho
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Mar 17, 2017 00:24
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Duckbag posted:It's incredibly annoying and the only way to get around it is to have a really good understanding on the linguistic origins of words (which is pretty hard because Spanish loves loving with the spelling of old loanwords), memorize a really long list of exceptions, or spend years immersed in a culture where people already know what the exceptions are. It's annoying as gently caress, actually. Gendered nouns own, they're an endless source of amusement when speaking with foreigners. And no one does any of that poo poo you're talking about. Lists of exceptions? Ha! I doubt there was even any rigorous reason, the noun gender is whatever makes the sentence sound better and it's self evident if you know how to speak the language. There are no debates about the gender of new loanwords, no one ever questioned the gender of "byte" or "motherboard". MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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Mar 17, 2017 00:26
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there are 7 genders
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Mar 17, 2017 00:44
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MeLKoR posted:Gendered nouns own, they're an endless source of amusement when speaking with foreigners. And no one does any of that poo poo you're talking about. Lists of exceptions? Ha! I doubt there was even any rigorous reason, the noun gender is whatever makes the sentence sound better and it's self evident if you know how to speak the language. There are no debates about the gender of new loanwords, no one ever questioned the gender of "byte" or "motherboard". There are reasons for it even if native speakers don't know them. This is like linguistics 101 poo poo and not in the least bit controversial.
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Mar 17, 2017 00:46
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Let us English posted:There are reasons for it even if native speakers don't know them. This is like linguistics 101 poo poo and not in the least bit controversial. the cool thing about language is that nobody decided anything about it. it just ended up that way basically
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Mar 17, 2017 00:53
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Let us English posted:There are reasons for it even if native speakers don't know them. This is like linguistics 101 poo poo and not in the least bit controversial. I doubt medieval peasants took the time to study the etymology of the latin/greek words they were gradually corrupting and assign it the proper gender. Any such rules were established a posteriori, people just went with whatever sounded better and it became such an integral part of the language that it sticks out as a sore thumb if you gently caress it up. poo poo just sounds wrong on an instinctual level.
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Mar 17, 2017 00:59
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MeLKoR posted:I doubt medieval peasants took the time to study the etymology of the latin/greek words they were gradually corrupting and assign it the proper gender. Any such rules were established a posteriori, people just went with whatever sounded better and it became such an integral part of the language that it sticks out as a sore thumb if you gently caress it up. poo poo just sounds wrong on an instinctual level. no you dont get it, go learn basic linguistics
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Mar 17, 2017 01:02
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MeLKoR posted:Gendered nouns own, they're an endless source of amusement when speaking with foreigners. And no one does any of that poo poo you're talking about. Lists of exceptions? Ha! I doubt there was even any rigorous reason, the noun gender is whatever makes the sentence sound better and it's self evident if you know how to speak the language. There are no debates about the gender of new loanwords, no one ever questioned the gender of "byte" or "motherboard". Uh, actually a shitload of those words ending in -ma were taken from Greek and kept the gender they already had in Greek. Learn that rule and a lot of these weird nouns make sense suddenly. Also every Spanish class I ever took had a short list of common masculine words that ended in -a and encouraged us to memorize them with the caveat that there were way more out there and you could really only learn them all by speaking the language for a while. e: Native Spanish speakers literally learned all the same rules and memorized the same exceptions, they just did it when they were so young they don't remember it.
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Mar 17, 2017 01:03
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SHISHKABOB posted:no you dont get it, go learn basic linguistics don't quote white noise, you're better than that
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Mar 17, 2017 01:05
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Too long to be white noise
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Mar 17, 2017 01:10
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MeLKoR posted:I doubt medieval peasants took the time to study the etymology of the latin/greek words they were gradually corrupting and assign it the proper gender. Any such rules were established a posteriori, people just went with whatever sounded better and it became such an integral part of the language that it sticks out as a sore thumb if you gently caress it up. poo poo just sounds wrong on an instinctual level. You don't get it. Things sound better when following internalized rules, like adjective order in English.
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Mar 17, 2017 01:11
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Let us English posted:You don't get it. Things sound better when following internalized rules, like adjective order in English. Yeah, this is a good example. Most English speakers have no idea there are rules for what order adjectives go in, but every single one of us thinks "big green house" sounds right and "green big house" sounds wrong. A lot of hilarious Engrish comes from foreigners having no idea adjective order is even a thing.
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Mar 17, 2017 01:18
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mrw someone misuses gender pronouns:
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Mar 17, 2017 01:28
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Good av material
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Mar 17, 2017 01:30
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Duckbag posted:e: Native Spanish speakers literally learned all the same rules and memorized the same exceptions, they just did it when they were so young they don't remember it. Not spanish. I remember studying irregular verbs and other really basic stuff, I'm positive there was never any discussion about noun gender. I have no doubt "gender exception lists" are a thing for second language learners, all I'm saying is that I never even thought about gender nouns until I started talking with english speakers. I'm not saying that nowadays you can't group these things into some sort of pattern, all I'm saying is that there was no group of men going around telling peasants "no you dummy, it's 'o programa' not 'a programa', words got gendered however it made speaking flow more naturally. Since no one sat down and created the language all in one go new words got gendered in a way that "fit" naturally into the previous existing vocabulary. Why does "bishop" have a completely different sound from "night"? Because that was how people started pronouncing it at some point, because it sounded better to them.
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Mar 17, 2017 01:36
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Has anyone said 'pronouns? mo' like noobnouns!' yet?
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Mar 17, 2017 01:43
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MeLKoR posted:Not spanish. I remember studying irregular verbs and other really basic stuff, I'm positive there was never any discussion about noun gender. I have no doubt "gender exception lists" are a thing for second language learners, all I'm saying is that I never even thought about gender nouns until I started talking with english speakers. I'm not saying that nowadays you can't group these things into some sort of pattern, all I'm saying is that there was no group of men going around telling peasants "no you dummy, it's 'o programa' not 'a programa', words got gendered however it made speaking flow more naturally. Since no one sat down and created the language all in one go new words got gendered in a way that "fit" naturally into the previous existing vocabulary. Why are you so willfully ignorant and continue to post such dumb poo poo?
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Mar 17, 2017 01:43
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satanic splash-back posted:Why are you so willfully ignorant and continue to post such dumb poo poo? Says the man who speaks a language where you have to use an extra word when you want to clarify the gender of whatever creature he's referring to. Do you even do t–v distinction, bro?
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Mar 17, 2017 01:50
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Nooner posted:remember that mod who drew a comic thing about how to turn women into living toilets not the one who was a pedo this was a different one.. hot drat, mods sure are great i dont actaully like that mod at all but this keeps getting mentioned and i feel like i should point out that in the original context it was a parody of something i dont remember what
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Mar 17, 2017 01:52
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MeLKoR posted:Gendered nouns own, they're an endless source of amusement when speaking with foreigners. And no one does any of that poo poo you're talking about. Lists of exceptions? Ha! I doubt there was even any rigorous reason, the noun gender is whatever makes the sentence sound better and it's self evident if you know how to speak the language. There are no debates about the gender of new loanwords, no one ever questioned the gender of "byte" or "motherboard". there's a poo poo load of argument about the gender of new loanwords, e.g., is it Der Ketchup or Das Ketchup.
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Mar 17, 2017 01:53
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walgreenslatino posted:no one has ever explained to me how to pronounce latinx out loud, and my assumption is it's because these people don't interact with others offline so it never occurred to them Same way it's spelled. LatinEx. Sounds like a radio station handle.
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Mar 17, 2017 01:54
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remember when the word problematic was auto-corrected to niggardly boy howdy those were some darn tooting good times
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Mar 17, 2017 01:55
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