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935 posted:All this means for me personally is that the projects my Indian co-workers currently do are going to be given to me, increasing my workload but not my paycheck, so in summary gently caress that noise. Be thankful you have a job, scum
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935 posted:All this means for me personally is that the projects my Indian co-workers currently do are going to be given to me, increasing my workload but not my paycheck, so in summary gently caress that noise. It also means you can now ask for more money for more work without the fear of being replaced by said Indian co-workers.
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RedRaven posted:It also means you can now ask for more money for more work without the fear of being replaced by said Indian co-workers. they can just say nah we'll just document your "poor performance" and fire you for cause in 6 months speaking of which, how do european countries stop companies from doing that? do they not have the "salary = we can work you more than 40 hours" or what?
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Jan 8, 2018 18:19
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mind the walrus posted:How many Indians does each employ? its mostly asian girls and any policy that takes asian women out of this country is a bad one in my eyes
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Jan 8, 2018 18:21
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I could make an effort post about the the h1-b program but basically, the problems are related to the conditions under which you have to live with the visa. You could easily alleviate the "slave labor" part by getting rid of the onerous requirements that one leaves within 2 weeks if they ever lose their job - that part is ridiculous and does indeed make you and your family thralls to your employer until you get that green card. Additionally, many of the visas go to extremely shady contracting companies which further exploit their employees while still placing them in large american companies. They do not give the barest poo poo about you and are the ones with the slum housing and threats to you if you try to leave. One girl I worked with closely would randomly not be paid, or paid for too few hours, or even booked negative hours somehow, and this poo poo would happen every week. The american companies themselves treat them much better but, if they're still employed through the contractor, they could easily be screwed over by them. So, fix the program by letting them stay for 6 months to find new work, or something like that, and stop awarding the visas to these shady contracting companies instead of giving them directly to american companies. I don't think hiring them over americans is a big issue, we're talking 200k people here and most of them want to just move to america and raise families here and stuff, just like how it's always been.  Also the 90,000 thing isn't true - that's not in a bill that's passed, it just went through some committee. I believe it's 60,000 minimum as of now.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I could make an effort post about the the h1-b program but basically, the problems are related to the conditions under which you have to live with the visa. You could easily alleviate the "slave labor" part by getting rid of the onerous requirements that one leaves within 2 weeks if they ever lose their job yeah, even among "good" companies i've seen them treat people poorly. picture the shittiest job you've had - they don't do anything illegal but it's bad and you are only sticking it out because staying a year will look good and you don't want to end up in a lovely company the second time out. now picture this job with no leverage, no ability to even insinuate anything is other than perfect. 
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i was making six figures in it, got moved to another team, a visa worker took over my work on the old team, whose code i had to keep fixing, then i was laid off at this company we were like 80% visa workers, and they are very hard workers who were hard to compete with. the way they explained it to me is that they cannot leave the job or they have to go home. hosed up. very competitive environment i mean it wasn't hard to get a new job making more, but lol oh crap i'm SLIGHTLY effort posting in gbs again what the hell am i doing. quick, somebody run me off
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Jan 8, 2018 18:39
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Mandator posted:i was making six figures in it, got moved to another team, a visa worker took over my work on the old team, whose code i had to keep fixing, then i was laid off garbage men in NYC make six figures it's called being in a union
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maskenfreiheit posted:speaking of which, how do european countries stop companies from doing that? do they not have the "salary = we can work you more than 40 hours" or what? Well there's generally good legal protections and short working weeks to begin with. But probably not for that much longer in the UK. A couple of my British-employed colleagues went to do some project work in Sweden and worked 10-12 hour days but the locals certainly didn't. They'd actually been trying a 6-hour work day but I think that's been mostly abandoned now.
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do u know jenny posted:garbage men in NYC make six figures cool man i am just really into coding, but being a garbage man seems cool too
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i am not an expert on this stuff, i was just posting a story that i thought kinda related, my bad i don't want to talk about unions or whatever
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to be honest i don't even read threads i just look at ops and then respond then i check the replies a few hours later and usually somebody's mad at me
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and to be even more honest, 40% of the time i don't even read the replies at all, i just gently caress off QUADRUPLE POST
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Mandator posted:and to be even more honest, 40% of the time i don't even read the replies at all, i just gently caress off Listen buddy you better gently caress... on
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I’m a garbage man Not my job or anything, I’m just garbage, and a man
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Mandator posted:i am not an expert on this stuff, i was just posting a story that i thought kinda related, my bad yeah, i can see why you wouldn't want to talk about unions considering there is no chance of you ever belonging to one
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Jan 8, 2018 18:54
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Moridin920 posted:Kind of grinds my gears that you can't say the word slavery without people immediately going "oh well it isn't as bad as chattel slavery from 1700-1800s USA so can't be slavery!" Lmao
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finally our coal miners can get new jobs in the code mines
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I don't blame him. Unionchat never fails to get aggressive as gently caress and it's just no fun.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:yeah, i can see why you wouldn't want to talk about unions considering there is no chance of you ever belonging to one yeah it sucks i totally want in one worker protections are good and stuff is what what you want to hear?
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Buccaneer posted:Lmao He’s right, you clearly have no idea what the heck you’re talking about.
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do u know jenny posted:garbage men in NYC make six figures unions have opposed scab immigrant labor since forever. cesar chavez worked with the immigration police
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FogHelmut posted:Counterpoint: H1B is an indentured servitude system which exists to drive down prevailing wages for skilled Americans. Any claim that there are no skilled local workers is highly dubious, and the rules of the program are almost never enforced. The results are a cheap disposable workforce with no rights, foreign diploma mills, and leaving displaced, underemployed, and underpayed Americans in it's wake. Came here to say this, like obviously there'd be better ways of handling that anything trump suggests but the system as is has gotten to the point where abuse (by employers) is so rampant it needs to be addressed in some form.
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ArbitraryC posted:Came here to say this, like obviously there'd be better ways of handling that anything trump suggests but the system as is has gotten to the point where abuse (by employers) is so rampant it needs to be addressed in some form. yeah that was kind of the point of the story i told a few posts up, but then somebody got mad at me about unions or something, and i was like what i didn't say anything about unions i don't even think we disagree about them at all (?), and now i'm replying to you
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Mandator posted:yeah that was kind of the point of the story i told a few posts up, but then somebody got mad at me about unions or something, and i was like what i didn't say anything about unions i don't even think we disagree about them at all (?), and now i'm replying to you Trump has broken a lot of people's minds so even when he does something reasonable you'll have people screaming at you for completely unrelated things and try to write you off as a chud just for being slightly in agreement.
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Using illegal immigrant labor is bad because they have no rights, are overworked, and underpaid. Using H1B labor is bad because they have no rights, are overworked, and underpaid. Immigration should be easier and employers shouldn't be allowed to skirt labor laws.
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do u know jenny posted:garbage men in NYC make six figures https://www.propublica.org/article/trashed-inside-the-deadly-world-of-private-garbage-collection
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a bone to pick posted:Trump has broken a lot of people's minds so even when he does something reasonable you'll have people screaming at you for completely unrelated things and try to write you off as a chud just for being slightly in agreement. that makes sense, he broke my brain too. all fucks i once gave have slowly evaporated over the past year. it's actually kinda liberating, making lemonade out of lemons if you will
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maskenfreiheit posted:they can just say nah we'll just document your "poor performance" and fire you for cause in 6 months Retaliatory firing is as illegal in the US as in Europe and people can and do successfully sue for it. Unlike layoffs termination with cause is pretty well regulated and enforced, if an employer bothers they seriously loving hate you and you're probably going to jail for whatever you did.
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Mandator posted:that makes sense, he broke my brain too. all fucks i once gave have slowly evaporated over the past year. it's actually kinda liberating, making lemonade out of lemons if you will Racist lemons
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Senor Dog posted:He’s right, you clearly have no idea what the heck you’re talking about. Its sad we cant have an honest dialogue about the slavery in the getting paid to sit at a computer industry without a bunch of BLM SJW sucking their teeth and saying stuff like Ubuntu Kinte and just minimizing the struggle of IT workers in general
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Retaliatory firing is as illegal in the US as in Europe and people can and do successfully sue for it, unless your performance actually is demonstrably fireably poorer than everyone else's and the company was already considering shitcanning you. Unlike layoffs termination with cause is actually pretty tightly regulated, to the point if an employer bothers they seriously loving hate you and you're probably going to jail for whatever you did. If you're seriously concerned about it as a computer janitor with probably more opportunity to up and change jobs than anyone else in the country go find someone else to work for. you need to be able to prove it. you also need  for a lawyer - this is not easy to prove and thus not something taken on contingency.it's perfectly legal to set a new, more stringent performance standard due to staffing issues. the idea is you "see the writing on the wall" and look for a job during the 6-12 months the process plays out. if you don't "play ball" then yes, they will hate you. companies in tech tend to all settle on a practice so any one company's lovely practices with regard to work life balance tend to apply to all of them. it takes extreme luck to find a job that both pays reasonably well and respects work/life balance.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Retaliatory firing is as illegal in the US as in Europe and people can and do successfully sue for it, unless your performance actually is demonstrably fireably poorer than everyone else's and the company was already considering shitcanning you. Unlike layoffs termination with cause is actually pretty tightly regulated, to the point if an employer bothers they seriously loving hate you and you're probably going to jail for whatever you did. If you're seriously concerned about it as a computer janitor with probably more opportunity to up and change jobs than anyone else in the country go find someone else to work for. i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but i see this happen all the time, and it has happened to me before. and the idea of suing over it... i had and still have no idea how i'd prove i wasn't a problem employee you piss off the wrong person (your manager, in my case), all the sudden you become a problem employee, every fart or cough is documented, then you are terminated for poor performance after an adequate period of time (couple months) maybe i could have sued but i didn't have the money and just moving on and getting a new job seemed more prudent at the time. still kinda does
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Mandator posted:i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but i see this happen all the time, and it has happened to me before. and the idea of suing over it... i had and still have no idea how i'd prove i wasn't a problem employee and you don't even really have to fart or cough. you can hold your farts and coughs in and they will still find something to document, i think the term is "lying"
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Honky Dong Country posted:You can edit posts, man. wh..what? edit: omg edit 2: but seriously, i have been reading the forums longer than i have been registered, and only a week ago i noticed that clicking the quote link will jump to the post id. i have been loving manually hunting down quoted posts for years Mandator fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Buccaneer posted:Its sad we cant have an honest dialogue about the slavery in the getting paid to sit at a computer industry without a bunch of BLM SJW sucking their teeth and saying stuff like Ubuntu Kinte and just minimizing the struggle of IT workers in general  lmao at your unironic use of SJWS and how angry you are about computer janitors
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maskenfreiheit posted:you need to be able to prove it. you also need It's perfectly legal to set a higher standard, but it falls on the employer to demonstrate they're not just arbitrarily targeting one person to get around labor laws when challenged. Termination with cause is like telling an applicant why you didn't hire them - yeah, it's something a manager could theoretically do, maybe it's harmless, but it's choosing to expose the company to liability and put your own job on the line for no real reason when you could easily just say gently caress off with no further elaboration and let the company suck up the relatively tiny UI cost it's already budgeted for. If you're seriously worried about being fired with cause, there's probably excellent reasons to fire you with cause, and you're the kind of person who's going to claim it's all politics when you get canned for letting the HR lady see you jerk off at your desk. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Buccaneer posted:Its sad we cant have an honest dialogue about the slavery in the getting paid to sit at a computer industry without a bunch of BLM SJW sucking their teeth and saying stuff like Ubuntu Kinte and just minimizing the struggle of IT workers in general How much do you hate your job that you envy people with no rights who work tons of overtime doing things like writing software while getting paid poo poo Find a new job you bitter person
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