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My favorite MUD of all time was this one called Core 2650. It was set on a futuristic mining colony. I enjoyed it because it had a cool story to it and long elaborate story quests. There was a whole system for mining/refining minerals and blasting out new mine shafts. The economy was completely player-run and there were a bunch of different shops in the game that players could work at to make a profit. It wasn't about power fantasies, it was a nice blend of just traditional character building with elaborate world building. It kept a fairly small community (at the absolute peak, I think there would be no more than 30 people online at one time). Problem with having such an integrated player experience is that as soon as the population dies down, the whole game basically becomes an unplayable experience.
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I spent a good year wasting a lot of time playing the only MUD and only MMO I've ever played since, being Gemstone III on AOL I would sneak out of bed at night to play for hoooooooours, getting absolutely nowhere every time because most of the people playing were super hardcore and hostile, but I still had tons of fun loving around in a kobold village hidden in a briar patch before I realized it just wasn't enjoyable banging my head against obtuse systems and unhelpful players to try to advance past level 3
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Nov 15, 2019 22:05
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The only MUD I ever really got into was CthulhuMUD. Everything from a standard fantasy MUD was reworked to kinda-sorta make sense in 1920s Massachusetts. I played a cop, so I could start with a decent melee skill, and went around beating Miskatonic students to death so I could level. Then the zoogs came for me.
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Nov 15, 2019 22:16
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thicc_waluigi posted:The goblins did nothing wrong The goblins had it coming 
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Nov 16, 2019 03:26
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All running around with their target shields and short swords in the farmlands west of the crossing.
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Nov 16, 2019 04:27
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Was there a connection between Gemstone 3 and Dragonrealms? I remember there was a carving on a tree in DR in s'lai scouts that said "Harcourt was here" or something like that, that I had some notion was a reference to Gemstone, but I'm not sure where I got that from or who Harcourt was, if I got the name right even.
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Nov 16, 2019 04:55
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A Strange Aeon posted:Was there a connection between Gemstone 3 and Dragonrealms? I remember there was a carving on a tree in DR in s'lai scouts that said "Harcourt was here" or something like that, that I had some notion was a reference to Gemstone, but I'm not sure where I got that from or who Harcourt was, if I got the name right even. I don't think there was ever any explicit link (Harcourt being a prominent GemStone player in the very old days but the shared name is probably a coincidence) and officially there's no direct connection. If you compare the astronomy of the two worlds it's implied that one of the GemStone moons hatches into the World Dragon of DragonRealms, but it's very hypothetical.
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Nov 16, 2019 05:19
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I think they both are set in the world of Elanthia so that led to speculation about how they are linked, don’t recall anything official though
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Nov 16, 2019 06:08
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Were there Gemstone 1 and 2, speaking of which and did they have any connection? I vaguely remember reading some article or forum post probably 15 years ago about those games, something about there being actual dragons that flew overhead whose shadows would pass over certain rooms or something like that. Are there any good resources for world lore and mysteries, especially for Dragonrealms but even just a history of Simutronics and their games would be cool.
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Nov 16, 2019 14:19
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Gemstone 1 was never really public, and 2 was only out for a year or so until it turned into 3. 3 was out for 13 years. I dont think anyone ever got their promised gems, eh?
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Nov 16, 2019 16:34
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Kazvall posted:Gemstone 1 was never really public, and 2 was only out for a year or so until it turned into 3. 3 was out for 13 years. I remember at some point in Dragonrealms there was a news article about finding coupons to redeem for real world gems, is that what you're referring to? Or was that originally a Gemstone idea in the first place?
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Nov 16, 2019 16:59
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You were supposed to be able to find gemstones in the game and win them in real life, I believe. Hence the name of the game. DR and Gemstone are run by the same company iirc, they're kinda shady assholes in some respects. Ah yes DR is simply thousands of years in the future. Kazvall fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Nov 16, 2019 |
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Nov 16, 2019 17:28
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Parachute posted:anecdotally every single person i've ever conversed with who uses "nod" has played muds at some point (because i make it a point to ask, outing myself as a mudder) I think MUDs probably contributed more to internet culture than we appreciate, especially gamer culture. Parachute posted:anecdotally every single person i've ever conversed with who uses "nod" has played muds at some point (because i make it a point to ask, outing myself as a mudder)
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Nov 16, 2019 19:33
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I was deep into Achaea from, like, 2008 to 2011. Kind of staggered it's still going, though it seems the player count never really goes beyond 100 these days? I remember it not being uncommon to have 2-300 people on at a time back in my heyday. If anyone was around back then and involved in CIJ House politics, well, sorry (both for the fact you were in the CIJ and for the endless weird drama that went on). Last big event I recall was Clementius' leaving party, and rushing to be the person to drop a Weaver's Fern on the Delos Bridge. drat, now I'm all nostalgic.
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Oh god, Achaea. I got suckered into both that and CIJ until I realised there was a serious lack of RL respect and a ridiculous “insanity” rule. Doubly so given that it was apparently not insane to be walking down the road, see a sheep in a field, and beat it to death.
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Nov 17, 2019 23:01
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I decided to check out Discworld again, this time as a thief named Cugel, and there's been about 60 people online every time I've connected, which is cool. I like that the game rewards a thoughtful reading of the room description rather than just glancing at the summary of items / NPCs at the bottom of the desc., but I dislike that abbreviations of items and names don't seem to be a thing (no "kill gob", it's gonna be "kill goblin" every time unless you manually define an alias)
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Nov 18, 2019 00:59
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Pham Nuwen posted:I decided to check out Discworld again, this time as a thief named Cugel, and there's been about 60 people online every time I've connected, which is cool. I like that the game rewards a thoughtful reading of the room description rather than just glancing at the summary of items / NPCs at the bottom of the desc., but I dislike that abbreviations of items and names don't seem to be a thing (no "kill gob", it's gonna be "kill goblin" every time unless you manually define an alias) That would drive me insane. Nice name choice, by the way--can you earn a 'the Clever' epithet somehow?
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Nov 18, 2019 01:40
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A Strange Aeon posted:That would drive me insane. Nice name choice, by the way--can you earn a 'the Clever' epithet somehow? I'm a fast typer so it doesn't bother me too much, but Diku habits make me want to type "k g", "sac cor", etc. I loving hope I can get the epithet! I've been re-reading the Dying Earth stories and they're just a blast.
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Nov 18, 2019 01:48
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For what it's worth, the Disc has lots of dumb parser tricks, they're just different from most other places. Check out "help nickname" (they're basically aliases, but for nouns) and "help parser" (notably, it understands pronouns, so after "kill goblin" you can do "stab him with my weapon" and it'll work fine, probably).
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Nov 18, 2019 05:41
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Enjoy this Wired article about MUDs that I found: https://www.wired.com/2005/03/keyboard-is-mightier-than-sword/ "The look of the games has evolved little, though special engines can be downloaded that add such whiz-bang features as colored text."
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Nov 24, 2019 14:06
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I put way too much time into Dragon's Gate way back when. Guess I'll need to give A Tempest Season a shot, though, IIRC, every other spiritual successor has flamed out so far.
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I used to play HellMOO a bit when I first saw it here then dropped off after a while, love the idea of playing MUDs but HellMOO had a lot of quality of life features that made it easier to play for me. Didn't do too much when I played but some of the stories that came out of that game were the funniest things I've ever heard. Really regret not giving Wayfar 1444 a chance when I could've since I'm a huge sucker for any type of survival setting where you build your way up. Are there any MUDs still around that scratch that itch? I've toyed with the idea of making one myself but there's a ton of different codebases to start from and I have no idea what the benefits of each are.
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If you were going to make something, I always hope people take up Evennia because it seems really modern with quite a bit of QOL baked in, coding in python and support for 21st century databases, but tragically 10 years too late.
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Someday I am going to sit down and make my dream MUD- HellMOO but with fantasy tropes instead of sci-fi.
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Arven posted:Someday I am going to sit down and make my dream MUD- HellMOO but with fantasy tropes instead of sci-fi. Do it! What would you keep? What would you make different?
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piL posted:If you were going to make something, I always hope people take up Evennia because it seems really modern with quite a bit of QOL baked in, coding in python and support for 21st century databases, but tragically 10 years too late. I haven't checked back in on it in a long time but last I saw there were migration problems modernizing from python 2 to 3
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I took a look at Evennia and it looks like the latest release is using Python 3 now, seems to work okay but I don't know how good the underlying systems are. The community around it seems pretty active too which is super useful if you're like me and are starting out without too much experience.
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Hawke posted:I took a look at Evennia and it looks like the latest release is using Python 3 now, seems to work okay but I don't know how good the underlying systems are. The community around it seems pretty active too which is super useful if you're like me and are starting out without too much experience. https://github.com/evennia/evennia/wiki/Getting-Started#requirements Awesome
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If by underlying systems you mean database access, netcode, and dev tools, it seems pretty capable from my amateur eye. And it adds some interesting web functionality. If you mean gameplay stuff, it's quite the blank slate. But so was MOO when it was used to dev HellMOO. From what I remember reading the threads and the in game BBS, the lack of access to the code under the hood of MOO and the difficulty of coding for it definitely inhibited development late in the project.
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I just put together an Evennia server. If people are interested in poking around under the hood, pm me or hit me up in TG discord, and I'll figure out how to make you an account for the server and a super user in the db. I dont really have any experience managing a project, and I'm sure it'll break, so make sure you save your code!
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piL posted:Do it! What would you keep? What would you make different? I would keep all HellMOO systems except for the sex stuff. Just a reskin in a Disenchanted-like fantasy setting. I don't have the time to work on any of that though, it's just fun to think about.
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Arven posted:I would keep all HellMOO systems except for the sex stuff. Just a reskin in a Disenchanted-like fantasy setting. Having done some MOO coding, the thing I never quite liked about MOO was that it always felt like you were just kind of slinging code around and good luck ever finding something again. Everything's just an object with a number, and objects inherit from other objects, and all this sounds like a great idea until you realize you're not working with the Smalltalk GUI, you're trying to explore the object tree & examine code using the world's clunkiest command line.
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Yeah, my next question is how well commented do you think HellMOO is. Would I basically be reverse engineering if I tried to translate features into Python?
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Dec 13, 2019 01:22
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Pham Nuwen posted:Having done some MOO coding, the thing I never quite liked about MOO was that it always felt like you were just kind of slinging code around and good luck ever finding something again. I could never get into MOOs for this reason. LPC was much more controlled with source files in a filesystem. Though of course it wasn't designed to be persistent across reboots.
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piL posted:Yeah, my next question is how well commented do you think HellMOO is. Would I basically be reverse engineering if I tried to translate features into Python? Hellcore has basically no comments. The hellwiki has a few things and the help file has a couple more things. That's it.
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Eat The Rich posted:Hellcore has basically no comments. The hellwiki has a few things and the help file has a couple more things. That's it. Also the code that makes up actual features like mobs and rooms is stored in some binary database, it's not a bunch of files somewhere.
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It's just one text big file. It's kind of wild that it still holds up.
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having seen the amount of coders falling to the insanity of the hellcore i'm p sure it would be easier to write something from scratch... or just something even hackier that makes haskell look like lua  also stabs did nothing wrong
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Are any of y'all part of the MUD Coders Guild?
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i broke the Guild Code and now I life my life as an outlaw coder on the fringe of society, getting dev gigs when I can *shoots giant cloud of vape smoke everywhere*
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