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Coxswain Balls posted:On the other hand, I never caught on to the racism until it was made super explicit in the one book where like a baby ferret is raised in the abbey. I think he grows up and turns out to be a shitbag not because he was ostracized or anything, but despite growing up with a caring adopted family he just can't help it because he's one of the "bad" species. Dude doesn't even get a redemption arc or anything; despite sacrificing himself in the end for his adopted mother the takeaway was "he probably didn't even mean to save me, he was just evil this whole time." God drat, son. I remember this or a similar story arc. Also remember foxes (I think?) didn't give a poo poo about each other even parents and kids which didn't make much sense. *pokes paperback with fork* ITS RAAACIIST
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Jun 11, 2020 04:54
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Pincer movement
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Pekinduck posted:I remember this or a similar story arc. Also remember foxes (I think?) didn't give a poo poo about each other even parents and kids which didn't make much sense. thats the book Marlfox which is basically about a lake island castle inhabited by a buncha regicidal lunatics
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These vittles are RAW
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:These vittles are RAW verbal enema posted:thats the book Marlfox which is basically about a lake island castle inhabited by a buncha regicidal lunatics A hosed up element of Outcast I didn't see get mentioned is that they named the little ferret Veil. When he turned evil, the Badger Mother who named him reveals that was an intentional anagram. It's so hosed. Like you see that and maybe you assume we're underselling some angle where he's never trusted in his youth and that alienation drives him to... but no, that is not how it plays out in the book. I kind of want to re-read it to see because it didn't sit right with me even at the time and it's a broad consensus there.
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im getting a lil sad about the wierd racism that I guess i just ignored like it wasnt just rats is bad mice is cute?? :c
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The whole thing doesn't make much sense tbh. Foxes and ferrets can be pretty cute but both are evil. Meanwhile, badgers and otters are both mustelids yet they're all good
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this is still one of my favorite things SA ever did and its pretty topicalBrian Jacques posted:the moles have performed a special role in my work. With their friendly, unthreatening presence and difficult to parse language, they serve the same purpose as a cuddly stuffed animal that whispers propaganda to a child as he sleeps, like any grandfather might secretly give to his grandchildren (these letters are confidential correct?). https://www.somethingawful.com/news/bargain-book-bin-3/
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verbal enema posted:im getting a lil sad about the wierd racism that I guess i just ignored It's just a weird implication in such a fable world of magical realism. Like there's an implication that there's broader allegory and-of-in trying to re-embed classic British legendarium into modern pop-pulp... but it's probably not so bad. "In-universe", "Watsonionly", (I forgot the smart word), every book is framed by a Recorder from the Gatehouse reading to you from the recordings of long ago. So there's a literary agency at play, and that mirrors our real-life legends and histories that got written by the victors and painted their villains as entirely such. You can also see the cyclical discussion in the Tolkien thread in The Book Barn about how the Silmarillion was written by Elves and Men and how that colors the accounting and opens the door to speculation about whitewashed Orcish culture and eucatastrophic divine Eagles as censorship for sympathetic enemy splinters. But obviously that's wildly skittering across the line of playing SuperMechaGodzilla and at the end of the point, you're just thinking too hard about those bullshit pages you skipped every single time you read. I mean sometimes the guy telling you the story was a Dibbun in it or like a Recorder in training so it's like "oh, neat" at the end but
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free hubcaps posted:this is still one of my favorite things SA ever did and its pretty topical
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i could be making this up or it could be vague speculation i read once but i feel like he sort of addressed it as saying that in the beginning because it was for blind children it was more about vocal story telling convenience and for that matter just trying to familiarize them with local wildlife (like "now remember the moles, who talk like *old british men calling eachother sweetheart*" or "now do you remember the stoats? that go *stout noises* and did whatever terrible thing?") that he used to establish his world which he then realized too far into it could be construed as expression or endorsement of real racism, or something, which i think he responded to by doubling down on the kind of cartoon fantasy innocence of a world that black and white, i think maybe even the book about one of the bad species living in redwall and growing up to be a shithead anyway (or whatever, like i said i read all of these when i was a kid) that's obviously kind of weird is actually purposefully explaining the setting as very simple and in that, in no way analogous to reality
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The Walrus posted:I saw a badger once. He was digging a hole. I was really impressed with his hole digging skills. you should have yelled Eulalia at him in triumph
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Jun 11, 2020 09:43
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oh no
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the only book I remember was they had a coronavirus outbreak in the castle and some dudes had to go on a homeopathic quest to pick some kind of flower to cure it, which of course was only available on top of a distant mountain. also there was a hawk or something
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Jun 11, 2020 09:54
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dang im glad i read these books in the us. no way id pick up that lame rear end looking poo poo they got in the uk. us:  uk (lmao?): 
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Jun 11, 2020 10:07
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whys the uk always got the horrible book covers but the good video game covers huh?? a mystery
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top book? badass otter girl has had enough of ur poo poo. die bitch. bottom book? its uhhh some animals. theyre on a boat.
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Jun 11, 2020 10:10
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I guess we got the UK covers here because that what I remember the Pearls of Lutra cover looking like. You're also wrong, the UK cover of Redwall was Cluny driving a flaming carriage full of vermin while the horse looks at him in fear, which is awesome as gently caress. The baddies looked way cooler on that cover compared to the US one.   This Vintage Classics re-release is adorable though. 
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Coxswain Balls posted:I guess we got the UK covers here because that what I remember the Pearls of Lutra cover looking like. well the thing is, all of those? they look sick. theyre all good for different reasons. that pearls cover though? it sucks rear end. irredeemable.
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Jun 11, 2020 10:40
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i will admit tho that u could put that uk redwall cover on the other side of ur totally rad wizard van which is a high level of book cover art quality that those other covers don't reach.
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id have never guessed this https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/redwall/images/2/2a/BrianJacquesPronounce.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20080703003732 
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kecske posted:the only book I remember was they had a coronavirus outbreak in the castle and some dudes had to go on a homeopathic quest to pick some kind of flower to cure it, which of course was only available on top of a distant mountain. also there was a hawk or something Why didn't the hawk just fly them up the mountain
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I got to hug Brian Jacques once, it was really neat.
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Motherfuckers talkin' 'bout Redwall!?
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Muscle Wizard posted:dang im glad i read these books in the us. no way id pick up that lame rear end looking poo poo they got in the uk. Look at Mariel of Redwall! USA  Huh mouse with rope Brits  HOLY gently caress THAT RAT HAS A SWORD AND THAT MOUSE IS GONNA THWACK EM ALSO gently caress THE BELL IS GETTING STRUCK BY LIGHTNING The Gullwacker did NOT gently caress around Also i did some small looking around and found an ok full cover of LORD BROCKTREE  fuuuuucking badASS
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your brain is smooth as an egg if you think the US covers are better than the UK
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I liked The Long Patrol because it taught me that you wash your feet downriver from where you gather drinking water or your hare sergeant kicks the poo poo out of you.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I liked The Long Patrol because it taught me that you wash your feet downriver from where you gather drinking water or your hare sergeant kicks the poo poo out of you. this is FACT did someone change the thread icon?
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and title. it used to be redwall kitchen nightmares
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I remember I didn't like the Outcast of Redwall because Veil got a raw deal and I really liked Marlfox but I thought it was super weird that none of these siblings gave a poo poo about each other at all and then I read Taggerung as soon as it came out and I was like 'Hey how come this otter was raised by assholes but he turned out to be all good and noble and honorable despite having absolutely no examples of that in his life' and that's when I finally realized the weird racism in the books. I was a very stupid child, I guess. I stopped reading them after Taggerung although I don't think it was because of the racism. I just lost interest. Anyway, Pearls of Lutra was my favorite book and I don't remember anything about it except that it had a super loving badass ferret pirate lady who was arguably the only good 'vermin' species in the entire series and she sang a song about how much rear end she kicked and I was like 'hell yeah'. That's my Redwall story.
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Outcast of Redwall is still a very good book because it presents the racism Veil faces but doesn't come down as hard on him being truly villainous. There's enough ambiguity that you can make the argument that his eventual fate was as much the result of the Abbey's prejudice against "vermin" species as it was hereditary. It's a shame that double standard nature doesn't show up in any of the other books but it is why Outcast is one of my favourites.
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at the part in Long Patrol where well you meet a part of the Long Patrol and i forgot how cool Rockjaw Grang is. Giant Mountain Hare with a giant bow. Also says 'sithee' alot whatever that is also the body count is already at like 25 and im 70 some odd pages in also a decent bit of subterfuge in the Rapscallion horde of course. Gotta kill your boss and become the boss!
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Mouse Guard is a neat children's graphic novel series, if any of ya'll have kids. For adults, Mice Templar is supposed to be good but I've never read it.
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oh hells yeah Cregga Rose Eyes badgers get the coolest names in Redwall
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Lemme just turn this battle axe into a bludgeon so I don't need to waste time sharpening it.
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verbal enema posted:at the part in Long Patrol where well you meet a part of the Long Patrol and i forgot how cool Rockjaw Grang is. Giant Mountain Hare with a giant bow. Also says 'sithee' alot whatever that is
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Daikloktos posted:That's the one where the Abbey wall collapses and The Long Patrol has to come defend them? That's one of the notable ones Yeah!
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