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hollylolly posted:I am still on board with this show. I know it's in a rough patch, but there's enough here, despite people being killed/written off the show off screen, to keep my interest. I'm looking forward to the finale. So there! I generally watch a show I've started until the wheels fall off the thing catches fire. Heroes coming back is taunting me, because making it through that show's 3rd season is like TV 'nam. I hear Dexter gave it a run for it's money. We're not to that level yet. If Wu is revealed to be wessen and everyone forgives Juilette for no reason and Hank secretly has been working for the royals the whole time and Nick can't remember who he is and they kill trouble two episodes into the next season before having Juilette go evil again, we'll be there. ED: Oh yeah, Nick would also have to believe a string of random people claiming to be his father 100% without proof every 3 episodes to really hit that bottom. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 10:18 on May 12, 2015 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:I generally watch a show I've started until the wheels fall off the thing catches fire.  Yeah, what it really needs to hit basement is more random parents/relatives showing up. That's the death knell of every show ever. Even Alias died from that crap. Oh my MOM's still alive! My dad isn't really dead. Oh I have a sister! I'm starting to think they make main characters with no/dead parents just so they can keep that in their back pockets for non-story emergencies. "MOM???"  (also Dexter is nowhere near the Tv'nam that was Heroes, just FYI)
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May 12, 2015 12:07
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Kudos to the poster who guessed Renard was Jack because of Henrietta's death. The woman whose address is so mystical and magical it disappears moments after writing it. Cool trick, for sure, the problem is the physical location never changes and she is apparently vulnerable to an intruder with a knife, but can woo a Grimm with her magical powers... Oh, hexenbeists, what can you not do? Diana is not even within 2 years of what she should be. I guess child acting contracts are difficult and need twins and so on, but her sole line has been "where's my mommy?" I am pretty sure they could have filled the role with a more age-appropriate person. Renard killed innocent Wesen. This will never, ever, be addressed by Nick. Yet, in the next season, some Wesen whose only hope for survival is to commit a crime, and Nick will come down all law-and-order on them, and I will hate his "moral compass" even more. Can Trubel decapitate Nick and say "there is a new Grimm in town" (also while offing Juliette and Adalind?) I would be so thrilled for next season.
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JD Bucks 7 posted:Can Trubel decapitate Nick and say "there is a new Grimm in town" (also while offing Juliette and Adalind?) I would be so thrilled for next season. No, because Monroe and Rosalee would never stand for it and gently caress you if you want to take those two out of the show.
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JD Bucks 7 posted:Diana is not even within 2 years of what she should be. I guess child acting contracts are difficult and need twins and so on, but her sole line has been "where's my mommy?" I am pretty sure they could have filled the role with a more age-appropriate person. They should've just grabbed some random middled aged fat guy to say, "Hi, I'm Diana," and been like, "It's an illusion; she's disguised as Louis CK."
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May 14, 2015 15:29
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I'm holding out hope that Juliette and Kelly put the last episode's stuff together to royally gently caress the Royals. I don't even care how little sense it would make, I just want the following exchange: Nick/Hank/Monroe/Rosalee: But why didn't you tell us?! Kelly: We needed your reaction to be genuine. Juliette: And you guys can be a little bit gullible and stupid.
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May 14, 2015 19:08
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johntfs posted:I'm holding out hope that Juliette and Kelly put the last episode's stuff together to royally gently caress the Royals. I don't even care how little sense it would make, I just want the following exchange: Kelly: Now pass the needle and thread so I can get my head back on.
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May 14, 2015 19:21
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It was an illusion. That was a homeless man in the box.
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Accretionist posted:It was an illusion. That was a homeless man in the box. It'a actually Adalind's head in the box. Adalind is gullible enough that she'll fall for the illusion anyway.
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4x22 – “Cry Havoc” - SEASON FINALE  After Juliette's latest betrayal, Nick, Hank, Trubel, Monroe and Wu take the fight directly to her and the royals. "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war!" This looks to be a major showdown. I don't think we've ever really seen a Grimm fully go to war. And there's two of them now.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I don't think we've ever really seen a Grimm fully go to war. And there's two of them now.
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She's not really going to be much help though---unless they like, throw her head at someone.......
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May 15, 2015 19:26
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Robot Hobo posted:Two-and-a-quarter. You forgot to count Nick's Mom. Let's not get aHEAD of ourselves
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Astrofig posted:She's not really going to be much help though---unless they like, throw her head at someone.......
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May 15, 2015 19:36
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Robot Hobo posted:Tell me that you wouldn't consider this season completely redeemed if they did that in the finale. Only if it somehow became some sort of Green Goblin like explosive and just before it blows up the eyes open and the mouth smiles at someone.
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May 15, 2015 21:19
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TMMadman posted:Only if it somehow became some sort of Green Goblin like explosive and just before it blows up the eyes open and the mouth smiles at someone. I'm imagining it as more of a screaming, flaming projectile. Like the Lost Souls from Doom.
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May 15, 2015 23:45
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Oh hey, toss the bleeding decapitated head in the back of a police cruiser; that's a great idea!
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Trubel is great with the looks of "what the gently caress" so far. Edit: looks like she did end up going to work for that FBI agent's group. Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 01:26 on May 16, 2015 |
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May 16, 2015 01:12
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I just noticed that they've been darkening Juliette's hair lately. Season one she was an almost coppery redhead; now her hair is nearly black. THE SYMBOLISM, THE SYMBOLISM!!! Ha, Wu with his shotgun, terrific. Astrofig fucked around with this message at 01:42 on May 16, 2015 |
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May 16, 2015 01:13
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The King is dead, long live the King? Can't say I'm surprised Trubel ended up being the one killing Juliette.
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May 16, 2015 02:02
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Me either. I'm sad they did though---even as much as they ran her character into the ground, she used to be so awesome.....
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I'm glad Juliette is finally dead, but I think the whole arc might have worked better if it was shorter. I also wasn't really surprised the King bit it, but I was a little shocked at the how. That came out of nowhere for me.
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May 16, 2015 02:52
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So, does the baby just have some crazy magic powers or something? The thing with the eyes was brand new. What am I saying, that was probably written in at the last minute just like the FBI lady coming to grab Trubel.
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May 16, 2015 02:59
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pentyne posted:So, does the baby just have some crazy magic powers or something? The thing with the eyes was brand new. The baby's been doing purple eyes stuff since she was born. And it looks like all it did was let the king know he was about to die.
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David Giuntoli posted:Lots of heads flying these last couple of eps. We're probably doing well in the coveted ISIS demo.  Astrofig posted:Me either. I'm sad they did though---even as much as they ran her character into the ground, she used to be so awesome..... It's amazing what just eight episodes can do. Grimm Season 5: From awesome to awful in only 8 episodes! I liked Juliette, and even though I thought the premise of the Hexenbiest transformation was pretty dumb, I still liked her character. But it only took a few episodes for me liking her character to wanting to see Juliette die. I've never seen character assassination that blatant or quick. pentyne posted:So, does the baby just have some crazy magic powers or something? The thing with the eyes was brand new. No it wasn't. Diana has had the purple eye thing happening since the start.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I liked Juliette, and even though I thought the premise of the Hexenbiest transformation was pretty dumb, I still liked her character. But it only took a few episodes for me liking her character to wanting to see Juliette die. I've never seen character assassination that blatant or quick. Watch Sleepy Hollow. They did the exact same plot, except worse. Much worse.
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May 16, 2015 03:17
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I think the moment this show lost me was when I could see they were going to explore a Nick-Adalind pairing.
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MildShow posted:Watch Sleepy Hollow. They did the exact same plot, except worse. Much worse. Yep. Sleep Hollow is a great modern example of sidelining characters everyone love and/or totally destroying their character. All while introducing new ones that you never give enough screentime to or just plain suck. I liked Juliette as well, especially how she took on a more active role when the secrets came out. This sweet almost nurturing Adalind is bullshit.
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May 16, 2015 05:18
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This Juliette arc has been especially frustrating because the character spent so much time struggling to get out to of the Girlfriend/Damsel box. I was hoping she'd become a serious member of the team and start stacking Royal bodies.
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May 16, 2015 05:48
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I thought it would have been really interesting if Juliette killed Nick and ran off. It would have been brave, unexpected and would turn the intensity to 11. It would also set up a major credible villain for next season. And it would set up Trubel vs Juliette which would be one hell of a fight. Nick to me isn't a bad character and not really holding the show back or anything but he isn't exactly a transcendent character that is particularly deep or irreplaceable. They killed the young royal dude, they killed the somewhat competent bald guy, the queen we didn't know existed until this episode died, the king died despite being vaguely threatening but overall pretty friendly, and Juliette died. So I guess there is no villains except possibly a child and some rebel dude. *sigh*
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pasaluki posted:So I guess there is no villains except possibly a child and some rebel dude. Meisner is an ally of Renard and the resistance at least.
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May 16, 2015 06:18
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Meisner was the one who killed Eric Renard in fact.
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May 16, 2015 07:01
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So next season will start with Nick and Adalind on honeymoon. This poo poo is getting Terry Goodkind bad.
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Slamhound posted:This Juliette arc has been especially frustrating because the character spent so much time struggling to get out to of the Girlfriend/Damsel box. I was hoping she'd become a serious member of the team and start stacking Royal bodies. I am absolutely convinced that this whole storyline took a right hand turn a few episodes after the break. The real proof is Henretta: They build her up as the one that can help Juilette, then right after Victor off-screen gets written off, things veered off. That's why they wrote her out in such a stupid manner after she failed to do anything, and after all the hype. I honestly think the original plan was to bring her back into the fold / possibly make her a Hexenbeist ally and member of the group. Which would have been cool, but if I were a bettering man the actress said "Get me the gently caress out of my contract" and this is what we got. pasaluki posted:So I guess there is no villains except possibly a child and some rebel dude. They aren't even villains. He was with the resistance so he's probably just flying her back to the eagle-woman at the end of the episode. But you're right, God the royals suck. A full royal in a fight with Nick lost worse than most Wessen he faced. Also the fact Renard was throttling his rear end before the wounds hit him didn't make me think Nick had any chance to lose. As for killing his mother, an off-screen fight with like 30:1 odds didn't do much to make me think he was dangerous. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 11:31 on May 16, 2015 |
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As bad as this season was, i think this was a pretty kickass season finale. With Juliette and most of the royals dead, perhaps the show can become good again.
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Oasx posted:perhaps the show can become good again. Nope: quote:...
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This is loving hilarious only because I half don't think anyone is joking, from an interview:quote:So… let’s get right to it: Is Juliette really dead? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Who the gently caress is the actress sleeping with on this show. At this point the only way this can be redeemed is she has the baby, says hello, the baby is taken out of the room and off comes her head. If they seriously try to push a romance with those two, just loving drat, fastest downward spiral I've ever seen continues. Adalind should have loving died in season 1. 2 at the most. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 11:38 on May 16, 2015 |
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May 16, 2015 11:35
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Writing is hard work. Maybe instead of working hard they drink beer and watch daytime soaps, filling their heads with great ideas for last minute script writing.
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May 16, 2015 11:40
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They seem to be mostly kidding in that interview, so i will give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Accretionist posted:Writing is hard work. Maybe instead of working hard they drink beer and watch daytime soaps, filling their heads with great ideas for last minute script writing. I honestly have a strong impression there's major behind the scenes trouble going on, and it's not necessarily the writing staff's fault. poo poo keeps getting built up and referenced repeatedly (the keys, zombie Nick, ways to cure Juilette) that got dumped. The strongest indicator is their history with the actors lately, with disappearing and dying off-screen on numerous occasions, or being written out abruptly. Or how Trubel disappeared for an entire half season. I'd bet you cash that there's a lot of messy Hollywood politics going on this season. ED: Given the actors playing Nick & Juilette are dating/married I'd find it hilarious if this whole thing came about because they broke up. Given their only scenes together for a while were violent / uncomfortable looks, it wouldn't be too far of a leap. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 12:43 on May 16, 2015 |
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