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My question about Chet is his handle. Does it matter that the handle doesn't work against NBA players? I think he's going to be a good player for a long time, but if he can dribble a bit that makes him so much better
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Dejan Bimble posted:My question about Chet is his handle. Does it matter that the handle doesn't work against NBA players? My guess is he will be turnover heavy for a few years before either figuring it out or giving up on it. I’d bet on the former but we’ll see.
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Jun 25, 2022 20:42
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https://twitter.com/IveyJaden/status/1540761331632062465
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Jun 25, 2022 20:50
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The face is such a complex thing
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Jun 25, 2022 20:56
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dokmo posted:He plays the most boring defense imaginable for any good defensive player. He can also shoot. Well that sounds useful at least
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Jun 25, 2022 21:26
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Papes posted:No but some bio-metric company said they graded Chet as one of the least likely to get injured bigs that their model has ever tested.
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Jun 26, 2022 02:42
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Is Chet basically Raef Lafrentz
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Jun 26, 2022 15:05
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Is Chet basically Raef Lafrentz He's a much better shooter and blocked twice as many shots, so no.
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Jun 26, 2022 15:22
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Why does raef always come up as a comp? Why not Withey or Shawn Bradley?
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Jun 26, 2022 15:24
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dokmo posted:Why does raef always come up as a comp? Why not Withey or Shawn Bradley? Because Raef sorta broke the mold, there weren't a lotta bigs who could shoot then, other than like, Sam Perkins and Cliff Robinson. Plus he was a p.decent shot blocker, particularly early on in his career. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jun 26, 2022 |
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Jun 26, 2022 15:30
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dokmo posted:Why does raef always come up as a comp? Why not Withey or Shawn Bradley? Not tall enough to be Bradley, not old enough to be Withey, I'm assuming. Raef seems a weird comp to me too though, Raef wasn't thin, he was built like an ox, while Chet... hmm.
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Jun 26, 2022 17:04
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dokmo posted:Why does raef always come up as a comp? Why not Withey or Shawn Bradley? shoots threes, blocks shots there have only been like a dozen bigs who have done that in the history of the nba
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Jun 26, 2022 17:05
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I think the whole point of Chet is there isn't a good comp and that's why he was near the top of every big board. He's really good and catches opponents off guard on both ends of the floor.
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Jun 26, 2022 17:09
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Declan MacManus posted:shoots threes, blocks shots But raef didn't shoot threes, he only attempted 35 over four college seasons, 0.3 per game. That's why I'm confused by the comparison.
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Jun 26, 2022 17:20
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dokmo posted:But raef didn't shoot threes, he only attempted 35 over four college seasons, 0.3 per game. That's why I'm confused by the comparison. Because he did once he got to the NBA, and was reasonably good at it
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Jun 26, 2022 17:52
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dokmo posted:Why does raef always come up as a comp? Why not Withey or Shawn Bradley? It has to be some Bill Simmons related thing, it's been posted like 3 times in this thread as a burn and it's an incredibly stupid comp so it lines up.
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Jun 27, 2022 00:55
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Jun 27, 2022 00:58
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dokmo posted:Why does raef always come up as a comp? Why not Withey or Shawn Bradley? Same reason certain NFL QBs are always compared to each other.
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Jun 27, 2022 01:06
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pseudodragon posted:Same reason certain NFL QBs are always compared to each other. agreed, chet is a victim of reverse racism Rick posted:It has to be some Bill Simmons related thing, it's been posted like 3 times in this thread as a burn and it's an incredibly stupid comp so it lines up. big bill is the only reason i personally remember raef so i wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case for other people as well i just use him as a cultural touchstone for a very weird and particular skillset as opposed to an in depth 1:1 comparison
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Jun 27, 2022 03:04
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Why is Durant not a good comp as long as you acknowledge it's a comp as a prospect and not a comp as Kevin 2022 Durant
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Bip Roberts posted:Why is Durant not a good comp as long as you acknowledge it's a comp as a prospect and not a comp as Kevin 2022 Durant Durant apparently was a much better college player, I did not watch college at the time but this is the response the draft people have said when in response to others comping him to Durant.
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Jun 27, 2022 03:56
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Durant was primarily an offensive force and Chet's rim protection seems to be what people focus on.
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Bip Roberts posted:Why is Durant not a good comp as long as you acknowledge it's a comp as a prospect and not a comp as Kevin 2022 Durant Even though durants Texas team was predictable Rick Barnes disappointment, his stroke looked God like. Everything else was kind of up in the air, remember PJ Carlissimo played Durant at shooting guard in his rookie year. But the fact that he was gonna be an incredible scorer from all over the court was crystal clear Chers thing is really special mirror monster with ball bearing shoulders defense. While being a silhouette of the miracle center guy who shoots threes, dribbles, passes on offense. That part is much more sketchy, the defense is real with Chet Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Jun 27, 2022 04:07
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Chet doesn’t seem like he’s in young Durant’s league as a ball handler and scorer which is sort of what makes Durant special
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Bip Roberts posted:Why is Durant not a good comp as long as you acknowledge it's a comp as a prospect and not a comp as Kevin 2022 Durant Still, there's a good reason why he became the first freshman to win the Naismith Award.
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Jun 27, 2022 07:00
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Durant was absolutely insane in college, even though he lost a 3 overtime duel to Acie Law IV.
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I wasn’t watching college basketball at the time but if Durant was that loving good in college then how absolutely spectacular was Greg Oden to get drafted ahead of him? Or was he just overhyped? I don’t remember
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Oden was also excellent in college and the general consensus back then was that you couldn't pass up size. Bigs went first in all but the LeBron year in the 10 drafts leading up to Oden / Durant. Even with that there was a vocal minority at the time that argued Durant should go No. 1. There were also other mitigating factors like Oden's OSU team making the championship game while Texas got upset early. Front offices and people in general cared about that crap way more back then morestuff fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Jun 27, 2022 07:45
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Oden was a monster in college but had knee issues before even playing a game in the pros and was basically doomed from that point forward because of his size.
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I remember Okstate beating Durant's Texas team in OT despite him dropping almost 40. Dude was a scoring machine in college
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Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and Buddy Hield were the three scariest shooters to ever play my team and I've watched nearly every single game since 1985. Kansas scraped a win by the skin of their teeth in OT. But it can not be overstated how ridiculously scary Durant was. He had like 30 in the first half which is insane at the college level and was unconscious despite looking like the was 6'10, 150lbsquote:"He is a joke," Self said of Durant. "You can plug him into any team in the country at any level and he can score. NBA, whatever, just plug him in and he can go get baskets."
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Durant and Chet are not really comparable as they pay very differently. Durant and Vic is a little closer however, though I think Vic will end up playing more as a versatile big instead of a wing.
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Bip Roberts posted:Why is Durant not a good comp as long as you acknowledge it's a comp as a prospect and not a comp as Kevin 2022 Durant Draft night I saw a photo of Chet with a couple people on each side of him holding his arms. It made him look like a corpse being weekend at bernied morestuff posted:There were also other mitigating factors like Oden's OSU team making the championship game while Texas got upset early. Front offices and people in general cared about that crap way more back then I think he could've had a big career if not for having his knees made hollow by microfracture surgery right from the start. and then there was the alcoholism/depression. His early NBA stats looked promising but he never would've been at Durant's level. At the time people had question marks about Durant though, like his weight/strength primarily. I think people were hoping for Embiid with him and maybe, without the injuries, could've gotten like Rudy Gobert? Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Ironic Twist posted:I wasn’t watching college basketball at the time but if Durant was that loving good in college then how absolutely spectacular was Greg Oden to get drafted ahead of him? Oden/Durant was basically a toss up, they were viewed as two can't-miss prospects and which to take basically came down to whether you valued size/defense or scoring.
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morestuff posted:Oden was also excellent in college and the general consensus back then was that you couldn't pass up size. Bigs went first in all but the LeBron year in the 10 drafts leading up to Oden / Durant. Even with that there was a vocal minority at the time that argued Durant should go No. 1. Conley commits to OSU, and Oden being like whatever I have play somewhere might as well play with my PG is pretty funny now looking back on their NBA careers.
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Fast Luck posted:Why is Bol Bol not a comp That was actually the big freakout for me with Embiid was that he was going to Oden himself with his lovely health. I don't remember Oden the most, but he probably would've had an okay career, maybe Jermaine O'Neal wise, though that's just a comp pulled out of my rear end and probably not very fitting.
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Oden would probably be like Roy Hibbert+
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If Oden was healthy he'd be real good. DPOY potential and probably a pick and roll nightmare. Not so much perimeter creation like Embiid so probably not that level but when Oden did play he looked really solid for a guy who should have been pretty raw to NBA speed.morestuff posted:Oden would probably be like Roy Hibbert+ During the good Hibbert years, yeah. I think Oden had more going for him than Hibbert's kinda short peak though.
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Oden was hugely hyped before his season at OSU started, had largely the impact you would expect, and had a deep tourny run that got upended by a team filled with future NBA prospects including 2 NBA lottery big men and still had a good game against them. He was a huge consensus no-brainer #1 even with the KD darkhorse buzz. Bill Simmons tweeting about how he walked like an old man may have ended up being clairvoyant but was taken as a stupid Bill Simmons talking point at the time
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Oden also had years of momentum as the presumptive number 1 pick like Wenbanyama is now that takes quite a bit to shake. I remember thinking how the Raps got screwed into taking Bargnani 1OA since Oden was already a super prospect and he was in the first no high schoolers draft. I admittedly wasn't following NBA prospects as much back then, but I don't remember hearing as much Durant hype until their draft year.
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