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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

lexingtondisoro posted:

I'd like to see a smark wrestler who is incredibly technically skilled but is constantly defeated by the WWE style and is incredulous about it, like he doesn't know he's being worked.

idk I think that gimmick could get over, and not just for smarks. Hell the ICW would probably hate them.

Sounds like a job for Matt Classic.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Perry Normal posted:

I like your crazy ideas.

But who would fit the bill man, where could we find a man who could easily slot into that role AND also fit Vince McMahon's desire for tall freaks! WHERE!?!

Beef Jerky Robot
Sep 20, 2009

"And the DICK?"

Jerusalem posted:

In WWE? An extremely European man of culture from Switzerland who works either as face or heel and gets a big push.

Y'know, I've always wanted to see a really tall dude who smashes the poo poo out of people, perhaps concussing them with kicks, or even KOing with elbows. Perhaps the two could team up?

Perry Normal
Jul 23, 2010

Humans disgust me. Vile creatures.

Jerusalem posted:

But who would fit the bill man, where could we find a man who could easily slot into that role AND also fit Vince McMahon's desire for tall freaks! WHERE!?!



Perhaps he could find another talented guy to form a team with. Heroic fella of some sort. Call themselves Emperors of Grappling or something like that.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Perry Normal posted:

Perhaps he could find another talented guy to form a team with. Heroic fella of some sort. Call themselves Emperors of Grappling or something like that.

Interesting idea, now on a completed unrelated note I heard that Awesome Kong may have signed with WWE. She really needs a force to counter her massive dominance, some kind of powerful woman who can kill her opponents like she had some kind of death ray on her. But where, where to find such a woman?

Hirams Bitch
Oct 24, 2008

BigRed0427 posted:

This one might be stupid but what is one type of character, character archtype or gimmick that to the best of your knowlage has never been done in Pro Wrestling that you would like to see.

Mailman with a hook hand.

Perry Normal
Jul 23, 2010

Humans disgust me. Vile creatures.

CSammich posted:

Mailman with a hook hand.

No hook but...



Reid Fleming would be champion of forever anything.

Jerusalem posted:

Interesting idea, now on a completed unrelated note I heard that Awesome Kong may have signed with WWE. She really needs a force to counter her massive dominance, some kind of powerful woman who can kill her opponents like she had some kind of death ray on her. But where, where to find such a woman?

We're wasting a lot of time coming up with specific characters and then trying to find people to fill those roles. Maybe we need to go in the other direction. We need a wrestler who is so non-descript and, well, generic, that it becomes the entire basis for his character. Maybe put him in a mask, say he's Japanese or something.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Perry Normal posted:

We're wasting a lot of time coming up with specific characters and then trying to find people to fill those roles. Maybe we need to go in the other direction. We need a wrestler who is so non-descript and, well, generic, that it becomes the entire basis for his character. Maybe put him in a mask, say he's Japanese or something.

Well if we're going to talk about impossible things, I'd like to see a fat ugly neckbearded dude who is an amazing promo and bizarrely athletic with an amazing sense of timing and ring psychology. Hell, you could team him and this "generic" guy you were talking about for the contrast!

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008
This is stupid.

Ziggy Tzardust
Apr 7, 2006

BigRed0427 posted:

This one might be stupid but what is one type of character, character archtype or gimmick that to the best of your knowlage has never been done in Pro Wrestling that you would like to see.

I always thought that anti-western heels were a bit too simplistic ("USA is not OK. Pah-Tooey!"). I think that a truly anti-western heel with actual criticisms of the US (similar to Punk's criticisms with Cena) rather than the strawmen that they normally are (like Harvard Chris vs Scott Steiner) would be a real heat magnet. It mixes the two main heat-grabbers in pro-wrestling. Communists and people who tell the crowd the truths that they just don't want to hear. Example, I'd imagine that the heat would be nuclear for a promo addressing the children, telling them that their parents were given everything and instead of doing something positive with it, they sold out your future for a second car and a Carribean vacation. It's a versatile gimmick as well.

I suppose the easiest comparison (if not the most elegant one) would be to describe it as if LF was a wrestler.

Perry Normal
Jul 23, 2010

Humans disgust me. Vile creatures.

Jerusalem posted:

Well if we're going to talk about impossible things, I'd like to see a fat ugly neckbearded dude who is an amazing promo and bizarrely athletic with an amazing sense of timing and ring psychology. Hell, you could team him and this "generic" guy you were talking about for the contrast!

Hahahaha, Dusty and Nikita Koloff were the first thing that popped into my head when I read that.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
WWE needs their own Agent Francis York Morgan.

Ziggy Tzardust
Apr 7, 2006

MassRayPer posted:

WWE needs their own Agent Francis York Morgan.

He wins the tag titles

Hirams Bitch
Oct 24, 2008

Perry Normal posted:

No hook but...



Reid Fleming would be champion of forever anything.


Milk is not mail. No deal.

Perry Normal
Jul 23, 2010

Humans disgust me. Vile creatures.

CSammich posted:

Milk is not mail. No deal.

Sweet crap. I only now read that properly. It's 5 am here, clearly too late to be posting. Good night, wrestlehut.

Sue Denim
Dec 20, 2009

BigRed0427 posted:

This one might be stupid but what is one type of character, character archtype or gimmick that to the best of your knowlage has never been done in Pro Wrestling that you would like to see.
I really wanted to see an Übermensch for the longest time, but I'd say Orton is probably the closest I'll ever get, Austin was just too much of a redneck to fit this mold for me.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Sue Denim posted:

I really wanted to see an Übermensch for the longest time, but I'd say Orton is probably the closest I'll ever get, Austin was just too much of a redneck to fit this mold for me.

Brock Lesnar was way, way closer than Orton ever could hope to be. Especially comparing their WWE physiques. Brock Lesnar was what Hitler jerked off to at night.

Dr. Dirt
Jan 1, 2008

This one goes out to all the Legomaniacs!

Mr. Carlisle posted:

Here's a wrestling question: Why isnt WWE poaching like every successful collegiate (is that the term?) wrestler out there?

Angle, Swagger, Lesnar, Ziggler - Just a few names that were apparently scouted due to their wrestling abilities before going 'pro'. They seem to transition really well and are incredible in the ring.

Just to go back to this, I think I heard or read somewhere that it's a problem with selling. Amateur wrestlers and martial artists are generally trained to not show pain, whereas pro-wrestlers need to convince the crowd they're in a heap of pain when they're really not, which goes against an amateur wrestler's instincts.

(Take that with a grain of salt, though, since I'm not sure of the source.)

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


CSammich posted:

Guys did jump from WCW to WWF during the MNW, but they were generally lower on the card (when they jumped) than the guys jumping the other way, or spent some time in ECW in between - Austin, Foley, Vader, Marc Mero, Goldust, Pillman all jumped near the end of '95/early '96. In the later years, it was more rare (especially as during '96 and '97 WWF was getting their butts kicked and they looked like they were in trouble), but you still had Jarrett, X-Pac, Jericho, the Radicalz, and the greatest of all the jumpers, Haku.

Austin was fired rather than jumping. Foley left WCW in 1994 and worked in Japan and ECW for a year. I don't really think you can say someone "jumped" in either of these circumstances.

Sue Denim
Dec 20, 2009

MassRayPer posted:

Brock Lesnar was way, way closer than Orton ever could hope to be. Especially comparing their WWE physiques. Brock Lesnar was what Hitler jerked off to at night.
I mean in a philisophical sense, Orton is not bound by any external moral code which allows him to act in the way he does to get what he wants (the title), no matter how many bystanders he has to punt in the head to get it.

Him punting John Cena's father is a good example of this.

Hitler has a poor grasp of the concept of the Übermensch anyway, to him it was more of a physical state than a mental sate.

Sue Denim fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Jan 9, 2011

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


MassRayPer posted:

Brock Lesnar was way, way closer than Orton ever could hope to be. Especially comparing their WWE physiques. Brock Lesnar was what Hitler jerked off to at night.

Remember the movie From Russia With Love, where the dwarflike Russian woman was reviewing the perfect communist physical specimens, and then punched one in the stomach with brass knuckles to see if he'd flinch?

Lesnar.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Lamuella posted:

Remember the movie From Russia With Love, where the dwarflike Russian woman was reviewing the perfect communist physical specimens, and then punched one in the stomach with brass knuckles to see if he'd flinch?

Lesnar.

Brock Lesnar hates socialism.

And Brock Lesnar wasn't exactly bound by some code that kept him from mauling anyone who got in his way and dominating. Really the only thing keeping him from the title is the Hitler connection and the fact Lesnar hung out with a Jewish dude all the time.

Rousimar Pauladeen
Feb 27, 2007

I hate the mods I hate the mods I hate the mods! I HATE THE MODS I HATE THE MODS I HATE THE MODS! Hey wait a minute why do the mods hate me I'm contributing to the conversation I HATE THE MODS I HATE THE MODS I HA
I'd like to see a killer accountant. (Cheap post to get someone to find the MAD magazine WWF cover)

Sue Denim
Dec 20, 2009

MassRayPer posted:

Brock Lesnar hates socialism.

And Brock Lesnar wasn't exactly bound by some code that kept him from mauling anyone who got in his way and dominating. Really the only thing keeping him from the title is the Hitler connection and the fact Lesnar hung out with a Jewish dude all the time.
I'll have to take your word for it, I stopped watching just after Heyman and Lesnar broke up (and I'm yet to catch up on 2003) so I have no idea what type of character Lesnar was other than a tweener because in everything I've seen Heyman was acting as the mouth piece.

Does anyone have an example of a good Lesnar promo? I'd just be curious to see what he was like on the stick, even if he wasn't the greatest talker I'm sure he still came off as intimidating as gently caress.

George Kaplan
Mar 12, 2006

Perry Normal posted:

No hook but...





You're saying you want WWE to hire Abyss?

SnafuAl
Oct 20, 2010

VR! VR! VR!
BLOODY VR!


Talked about this very subject with friends a few days ago, and one of them suggested a guy who's all about beating an opponent in fair competition, to the point of running in and helping his current feud opponent against a beatdown, because fighting a wounded man isn't fair.

Thinking about it, it would be really easy to set that up into new feuds, simply by having the guy run in and help the underdog in a beatdown he has nothing to do with.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Moose Bigelow posted:

I'd like to see a killer accountant. (Cheap post to get someone to find the MAD magazine WWF cover)

Isn't that basically IRS?

CVagts
Oct 19, 2009

MassRayPer posted:

WWE needs their own Agent Francis York Morgan.

I think you could get at least six character ideas from Deadly Premonition. Like the elderly man's dapper caretaker who speaks in bad rhymes. He'd be the best.

Tyma
Dec 22, 2004

I love Leinster and I couldn't be happier that Jordie Barrett has signed with them on a short term deal.
A Personal Injury Lawyer gimmick would be the greatest heat-magnet in the history of wrestling :{

Also, a wrestler who is clearly only using the WWE as a platform to promote another (fictional) product, and treats every moment he's on-screen as Infomercial Time! Kind of like that Castrol GTX Magnatec episode of The Dirt Sheet, but full-time, and the guy wrestling in an MVP body-suit covered in endoresements.

CVagts
Oct 19, 2009

Tyma posted:

A Personal Injury Lawyer gimmick would be the greatest heat-magnet in the history of wrestling :{

Also, a wrestler who is clearly only using the WWE as a platform to promote another (fictional) product, and treats every moment he's on-screen as Infomercial Time! Kind of like that Castrol GTX Magnatec episode of The Dirt Sheet, but full-time, and the guy wrestling in an MVP body-suit covered in endoresements.

Like Amway Chavo?

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.

Tyma posted:

Also, a wrestler who is clearly only using the WWE as a platform to promote another (fictional) product, and treats every moment he's on-screen as Infomercial Time! Kind of like that Castrol GTX Magnatec episode of The Dirt Sheet, but full-time, and the guy wrestling in an MVP body-suit covered in endoresements.

Simon Diamond did it.

Tyma
Dec 22, 2004

I love Leinster and I couldn't be happier that Jordie Barrett has signed with them on a short term deal.

jscolon2.0 posted:

Simon Diamond did it.

Oh gently caress, yeah!

No wonder I was so convinced that this is absolutely the best gimmick ever!

Chinston Wurchill
Jun 27, 2010

It's not that kind of test.
A psychic. Played as either legitimate or fraudulent, depending on the fed.

Perry Normal
Jul 23, 2010

Humans disgust me. Vile creatures.

George Kaplan posted:

You're saying you want WWE to hire Abyss?

Reid Fleming is not an ecstasy addicted Foley clone. :colbert:

Psycho Mantits
Oct 6, 2009

Sue Denim posted:

Does anyone have an example of a good Lesnar promo? I'd just be curious to see what he was like on the stick, even if he wasn't the greatest talker I'm sure he still came off as intimidating as gently caress.

Lesnar basically sounds like a more countrified version of Scott Steiner.

Having said that, this is easily his best promo (apologies for the bad audio mixing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDmdf46JZZ0

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


I can't remember who mentioned it on here, but I would love to see someone do an "Identical twins / twin switch during matches" gimmick with a frighteningly non-identical pair. Like, Shannon Moore and Mark Henry non-identical.

Eddie Whitson
Nov 2, 2010

Lamuella posted:

I can't remember who mentioned it on here, but I would love to see someone do an "Identical twins / twin switch during matches" gimmick with a frighteningly non-identical pair. Like, Shannon Moore and Mark Henry non-identical.

Jillian Hall tried Twin Magic when she was tagging with Maryse. The ref, unsurprisingly, didn't fall for it.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Well the one gimmick I would like some promotion, either CHIKARA or WWE try is a Peter Pan type character. (Surprise surprise given my avatar) But the more I think about this character the more I think that he would basically be Hornswoggle if he was average size, could talk, and could wrestle. It would have to be played but someone who can act and look very immature, and very childish. And maybe by someone with an insane spot monkey move set. You could also have him do heel moves and not understand why they are considered heel moves or have him attack his own partner at one point in a tag match.

But like I said, the more I think about this the more he would basically a normal sized hornswoggle.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jan 9, 2011

Ktik
Jul 10, 2004

I'd like to see a wrestler afraid of germs, or just an OCD wrestler in general. Like he's a face but refuses to high five the fans on the way down to the ring, he wrestles in a full body suit to avoid getting sweat on him, he uses Purell after locking up with someone. When he goes up to the turn buckle to hit his ten punches, if he can't hit exactly ten he freaks out and it throws him off for the rest of the match. When he goes up to hit a top rope elbow or something, but he won't jump because the guy isn't exactly in the center of the ring. He'd be a comedy jobber, of course.

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Manwithastick
Jul 26, 2010

I would like to see the Mr Zero gimmick again where wrestlers apply the camel clutch and bring out a newspaper

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