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Magikarpal Tunnel posted:It's a bit of a mind gently caress when they DO have the murderer on, though. Can't name episodes but I've definitely seen one or two where the killer's there. Forensic Files is usually the only thing on between 3-5am so I watch a lot of it at work these days. Its usually pretty obvious in that case as well, because after a while you start to notice that they're wearing a shirt that's like just one solid color which is typical of prison garb.
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It's a new show but Murder Calls is pretty unnerving. They use reenactments of course, but almost all the audio is the actual recordings of the moment of murder.
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Pick posted:The best episodes are for crimes done by really dumb criminals because it's just fun to see how much evidence they can stack against one idiot. Like there's one where the guy bought a gun and then shot his parents and then threw the gun into the river in a plastic bag with the gloves he was wearing at the time. the bag not only floated, but preserved his dna and prints almost exactly. oh and the serial number matched the gun he, just bought I wonder about this every time I hear of evidence being thrown out in ziplock bags or garbage bags. Why on earth would you dispose of evidence by putting it in something waterproof? Especially if you're throwing it into a body of water. It's like they're trying to preserve it.
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pookel posted:I wonder about this every time I hear of evidence being thrown out in ziplock bags or garbage bags. Why on earth would you dispose of evidence by putting it in something waterproof? Especially if you're throwing it into a body of water. It's like they're trying to preserve it. Probably betting on the evidence not being found and not wanting to leave traces on your person/vehicle/home.
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Khazar-khum posted:I like 'The First 48'. Goes well with dinner. Same. Unfortunately my wife despises the show.
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The only thing I miss about giving up cable TV are the couple of networks that do nothing but play various forensic crime shows. I can get some of them online, but not enough.
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Aleph Null posted:The only thing I miss about giving up cable TV are the couple of networks that do nothing but play various forensic crime shows. I can get some of them online, but not enough. There's an over the air station in Dallas that runs crime shows all day 
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Jan 12, 2017 21:02
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Justice Network? It's pretty widely available.
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ranbo das posted:Probably betting on the evidence not being found and not wanting to leave traces on your person/vehicle/home.
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MisterOblivious posted:Justice Network? It's pretty widely available. OK
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pookel posted:Yeah, but like, wrap that poo poo up in paper or cloth or something that'll degrade in water at least. Come on. wrap it up in character bios for your anime roleplay. investigators will not look at it, and no one will be willing to listen to you talk about it to confirm it
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Pick posted:wrap it up in character bios for your anime roleplay. investigators will not look at it, and no one will be willing to listen to you talk about it to confirm it It's as simple as it is genius.
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This story is from an earlier version of this thread, but I just saw an update for the Kendrick Jonhnson case. Kendrick Jonhson was a highschool student in Atlanta. His body was found inside a rolled up wrestling mat. His death was initially ruled as an accident. The police believed he crawled inside, got stuck and eventually suffocated. Several students testified that lots of people stored their shoes inside the mats during PE. Kendrick was not wearing shoes when his body was discovered. His family believed however that Kendrick was murdered and stuffed inside the wrestling mat to hide his body. There are alot of very weird circumstances surrounding the case. There was some missing surveillance tapes from the gym around the time of his death. When the family requested another autopsy they found that Kendrick's body had been hollowed out and stuffed with newspaper. The funeral home stated that they never recieved the organs from the medical examiner, and the medical examiner said the organs were destroyed In a (now deleted) Ebony article it was claimed that 2 students who were seen on the surveillance camera around the same time as Kendrick's death had beaten him to death and stuffed his body inside the wrestling mat. It seems like now the family is being countersued by the families of the children they accussed of murdering their son. They are now alleging that the surveillance video has been doctored by the school board in order http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/parents-of-teen-found-in-gym-mat-allege-time-of-death-manipulated/ http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/12/11/rally-held-for-kendrick-johnson-at-capitol-building/ At this point it seems like it really was a freak accident, with the family not willing to accept it.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:At this point it seems like it really was a freak accident, with the family not willing to accept it.
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MisterOblivious posted:Justice Network? It's pretty widely available. Up here in Chicago we have Escape, they show American justice, Snapped, forensic Files, and a few others. Unfortunately on the weekends they drop all that for lovely made for TV movies. Speaking of Forensic Files, there was one ep where they covered a man who took his wife to the shooting range, then after they got home, she was shot. He said she had shot herself accidentally while he was in the bathroom, but the police said it must have been a murder, because there was blood under the gun where it fell on the floor, and they found blood in the bathroom sink drain as well. It was very heavily on the side that the husband did it. A few months later I saw an American Justice ep about the same case, whic leaned very heavily on the accidental shooting side. They went over how the blood evidence in the sink wasn't actually blood evidence, it was something that reacted to luminol that they never got any proof was blood, and that of course there would be blood on the floor under the gun if she accidentally shot herself - it would be more suspicious if there wasn't (which was always what I had thought when I watched the FF ep, but I was swayed by the sink evidence). It was really interesting to see the case from both sides, and it's made me take Forensic Files with a little bigger grain of salt.
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Forensic Files tells you how they reached a conclusion, it doesn't tell you if the conclusion is right per se. I mean, any episode about a fire is for example prone to a lot of potential misjudgment because forensic examination of fire is notoriously sketchy.
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Pick posted:Forensic Files tells you how they reached a conclusion, it doesn't tell you if the conclusion is right per se. I mean, any episode about a fire is for example prone to a lot of potential misjudgment because forensic examination of fire is notoriously sketchy. Every ep I've seen has been very explicit about how forensic science proved this and solved that. Then they have the prosecutors and investigators on to pat themselves on the back. They definitely don't imply that there's any doubt about the outcome, which is fine, that's their thing.
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A Pinball Wizard posted:Every ep I've seen has been very explicit about how forensic science proved this and solved that. Then they have the prosecutors and investigators on to pat themselves on the back. They definitely don't imply that there's any doubt about the outcome, which is fine, that's their thing. I'm not suggesting that they say that, that's what I'm saying about FF. There's an episode about a murder in Anchorage that I always thought was pretty loving iffy for a conclusion but I do know it got a man convicted  .
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Pick posted:I'm not suggesting that they say that, that's what I'm saying about FF. There's an episode about a murder in Anchorage that I always thought was pretty loving iffy for a conclusion but I do know it got a man convicted My bad, that's fair enough. e. Did I just ninja quote a ninja edit?
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A Pinball Wizard posted:Up here in Chicago we have Escape, they show American justice, Snapped, forensic Files, and a few others. Unfortunately on the weekends they drop all that for lovely made for TV movies. Yeah the nearest that carries it is Rockford it looks like. There's a surprising amount of good (if old) stuff being shown OTA.
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A Pinball Wizard posted:Every ep I've seen has been very explicit about how forensic science proved this and solved that. Then they have the prosecutors and investigators on to pat themselves on the back. They definitely don't imply that there's any doubt about the outcome, which is fine, that's their thing. Forensic Files almost seems like an advertisement for forensics. Like I get it, I'm watching Forensic Files, do you really gotta praise the artful miracle of forensics every episode?
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WickedHate posted:Forensic Files almost seems like an advertisement for forensics. Like I get it, I'm watching Forensic Files, do you really gotta praise the artful miracle of forensics every episode? That's... yes, that's what... what
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By the way, this is another good FF episode but sheesh... bring tissues  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdTR_kMtGrE
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There is an episode of Cold Case Files where this dude is serving a pretty lengthy sentence for rape, and comes forward about watching his step-mother beat his little sister to death when they were very young. Pretty  all around, really.
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Pick posted:By the way, this is another good FF episode but sheesh... bring tissues It's not FF but one should bring tissues when watching the documentary Dear Zachary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DZlbA-8dRo
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http://www.good4utah.com/news/local-news/toquerville-child-abuse-case-worst-ever-seen/638941991 News from this week: 12-year-old kid had been kept locked in a bathroom for years, taken to hospital weighing 30 lbs. Details are thankfully sparse.
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bean_shadow posted:It's not FF but one should bring tissues when watching the documentary Dear Zachary. It's a series of gut punches
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Yeah, Dear Zachary is genuinely the most heartwrenching documentary I've ever seen, but also be prepared for some of the hammiest and most awkward directing in a documentary ever, for most of it the director elected to put in pointless sound effects over the voice over describing what he was doing. "I wrote a letter" *obnoxious sounds of pen scraping paper* "and I got in my car" *sound of engine starting and tires screeching* etc. Aside from that, it's definitely worth a watch.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:This story is from an earlier version of this thread, but I just saw an update for the Kendrick Jonhnson case. Kendrick Jonhson was a highschool student in Atlanta. His body was found inside a rolled up wrestling mat. His death was initially ruled as an accident. The police believed he crawled inside, got stuck and eventually suffocated. Several students testified that lots of people stored their shoes inside the mats during PE. Kendrick was not wearing shoes when his body was discovered. The case was super weird but all the weird stuff didn't seem like it pointed to the conclusion "he was murdered". Especially the newspaper autopsy stuff.
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Pick posted:Forensic Files tells you how they reached a conclusion, it doesn't tell you if the conclusion is right per se. I mean, any episode about a fire is for example prone to a lot of potential misjudgment because forensic examination of fire is notoriously sketchy. A lot of forensic poo poo is totally bogus. For decades the FBI swore up and down in court that batches of lead used to make bullets each had a unique composition of chemical trace elements. Turns out, nope, it doesn't, sucks if you're one of the 2500 people convicted on the strength of that evidence. Back in September, the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology issued a pretty brutal report on bullshit forensic techniques like shoe print matching, blood spatter analysis, hair fiber analysis, fingerprint matching, bite mark matching, etc. Even DNA matching when there's DNA from multiple sources gets *really* subjective. https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/PCAST/pcast_forensic_science_report_final.pdf The Justice department's response? Denounce the report, keep using the same discredited bullshit techniques. A whole bunch of the stuff that Forensic Files and other similar shows present as a real science is actually a bunch of junk dressed up in scientific-sounding trappings but is in fact completely subjective, with different examiners routinely coming to very different conclusions when shown the same evidence. Balko has a really good 4-part series on bite-mark analysis here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/02/13/how-the-flawed-science-of-bite-mark-analysis-has-sent-innocent-people-to-jail/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/02/17/it-literally-started-with-a-witch-hunt-a-history-of-bite-mark-evidence/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/02/18/attack-of-the-bite-mark-matchers-2/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/02/20/the-path-forward-on-bite-mark-matching-and-the-rearview-mirror/ He's also got this coming out, which I can't wait for: https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Death-Country-Dentist-Corruption/dp/161039691X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484337579&sr=8-2&keywords=radley+balko quote:This is a tale of two tragedies.
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Stare-Out posted:Yeah, Dear Zachary is genuinely the most heartwrenching documentary I've ever seen, but also be prepared for some of the hammiest and most awkward directing in a documentary ever, for most of it the director elected to put in pointless sound effects over the voice over describing what he was doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Uz_qoclqs
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Stare-Out posted:Yeah, Dear Zachary is genuinely the most heartwrenching documentary I've ever seen, but also be prepared for some of the hammiest and most awkward directing in a documentary ever, for most of it the director elected to put in pointless sound effects over the voice over describing what he was doing. Heartbreaking doc
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The New Detectives is on Netflix. One of the murder investigations started when a man found a dead body on his lawn. In the reenactment, the lawn was perfectly manicured and bright green, and the body was next to a nice flower bed. In the actual crime scene photos, the grass was long, brown, and patchy. It kind of changes the atmosphere. I wonder if the guy whose lawn it was saw the episode and was pleased.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Yeah, but I thought that poo poo was at least effective when the worst reveal of the movie is dropping and it's just frenetic madness and noise and dialogue cut in and out I don't think it takes away from the brutal shock of the subject matter at all, but it did bother me a bit at the time and felt very unnecessary. Still, it's a minor criticism of a tremendous and a powerful documentary. I think it's still the only thing I've ever watched where I had to pause it and take a good 20 minute break just to calm myself down once it got into the really awful stuff. I missed this earlier. Perfect. Stare-Out has a new favorite as of 22:20 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Speaking of Forensic Files, I recently caught the episode about Oba Chandler on TV. I was excited at first because I always found the case was really interesting after reading about it in this thread, but then I was disappointed by how cut-and-dry they made it seem and how much they glossed over. Again, they only focused on the forensics and how they reached the conclusion, but it left out all the tense and interesting bits of the case (how long it took the police to get their hands on that handwriting sample, for instance, and then how long it took them to actually pay attention to it when someone knew who the culprit was). I guess I would prefer true crime shows that aren't ~22 minutes long so they can really delve into the nuances of the case.
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Dirty Deeds Thunderchief posted:Speaking of Forensic Files, I recently caught the episode about Oba Chandler on TV. I was excited at first because I always found the case was really interesting after reading about it in this thread, but then I was disappointed by how cut-and-dry they made it seem and how much they glossed over. Again, they only focused on the forensics and how they reached the conclusion, but it left out all the tense and interesting bits of the case (how long it took the police to get their hands on that handwriting sample, for instance, and then how long it took them to actually pay attention to it when someone knew who the culprit was). I guess I would prefer true crime shows that aren't ~22 minutes long so they can really delve into the nuances of the case. Another person executed a few miles from me! Also was suspected in at least one other murder, if I recall correctly. Which reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lunsford The murderer was on death row, as well, but ended up dying of colon cancer before his execution.
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There is a big difference between forensic science itself being bad, and people who are tasked to do forensics making poo poo up. Investigation of fire traditionally has a lot of issues, No matter how good-hearted the investigator. And then there are the investigators who simply lie about what they find. They might have similar results, but there's a very different reason for them.
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Pick posted:There is a big difference between forensic science itself being bad, and people who are tasked to do forensics making poo poo up. Investigation of fire traditionally has a lot of issues, No matter how good-hearted the investigator. And then there are the investigators who simply lie about what they find. They might have similar results, but there's a very different reason for them. I don't know how much conscious lying goes on. I'm sure some. But I'd bet a lot of them have convinced themselves they're doing good science.
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In my mind, perhaps the creepiest episode of forensic files is the one where a man swears his mother was killed after he refused a ride to a hitchhiker earlier that night, and that the hitchhiker did it. that is exactly what happened, but it was a complete coincidence that the hitchhiker found that particular house and killed that particular person. " stranger in the night"
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