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madmac posted:Well sorta. Ah ok, I hadn't heard that about the 4 races per expansion. That gives me hope that they'll eventually flesh out Kislev, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes etc and sell us dlc to play as them. Or they'll just give us more packs like the King and the Warlord with alternate leaders and starts for existing factions.
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Korgan posted:Ah ok, I hadn't heard that about the 4 races per expansion. That gives me hope that they'll eventually flesh out Kislev, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes etc and sell us dlc to play as them. Or they'll just give us more packs like the King and the Warlord with alternate leaders and starts for existing factions. Don't hold out hope for those factions. They're aiming to include every army that had a book in WHFB. Kislev, Estalia, Tilea, and the Border Princes do not, nor do Chaos Dwarfs for that matter.
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We'll almost certainly get an update with unique mercs from those locations though. Not making that is just leaving money on the table.
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Vlex posted:Don't hold out hope for those factions. They're aiming to include every army that had a book in WHFB. Kislev, Estalia, Tilea, and the Border Princes do not, nor do Chaos Dwarfs for that matter. I want to believe.  However, Chaos Dwarfs were mentioned by name in that dataleak from way back so we're probably getting them.
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Vlex posted:Don't hold out hope for those factions. They're aiming to include every army that had a book in WHFB. Kislev, Estalia, Tilea, and the Border Princes do not, nor do Chaos Dwarfs for that matter. They almost certainly will have the chaos dwarfs at some point
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Chaos Dwarves were in the datamine, they're almost guaranteed to be added at some point. The other minor human factions are a lot less likely, but CA isn't outright saying no to doing them eventually. quote:We touched on this during a talk with lead designer Rich Aldridge during our visit, and asked whether CA are looking at the past or minor factions that didn't get full support in Warhammer eighth edition.
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does anyone have suggestions for skrisnik's campaign? general effectivness of units? short term goals? I've just been sending the big spider right at the middle of the dwarfy line and flooding in after it, but i feel like some of my units arent pulling their weight
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Zyla posted:does anyone have suggestions for skrisnik's campaign? general effectivness of units? short term goals? I've just been sending the big spider right at the middle of the dwarfy line and flooding in after it, but i feel like some of my units arent pulling their weight Skulkers. You can start building them by like turn 3 and they're incredibly strong against Dwarves once you start dumping points in Skarsnik's redline to get their attack bonus up. They're dirt cheap and AP and also stealthy (So they don't get shot with artillery on approach because they're invisible) and you can even throw in poison on top with Dripping Tips. Eventually you want to mix in squigs as pseudo-cav units that also munch Dwarves but Skulkers and the giant spider are really the backbone of your armies with Skarsnik. For short term goals I would just say don't be afraid to trade capitals with Karak Norn, upgrading from a minor settlement to a walled city is a trade in your favor and the first step towards crushing them. Also take your starting Gobbo Big Boss and use him to damage walls or do other easy missions every turn, he'll level up insanely fast and then you can kit him out as a useful melee hero to back up Skarsnik in tough fights.
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I hope one of the tradeoffs with Bretonnia is that their units are incredibly expensive while their economy is poo poo. It would be in keeping with the brutal serfdom/aloof nobility/secretly a buffer state whose religion is really a recruitment tool for a nihilistic Elven goddess. Speaking of the latter, I wonder if the Wood Elves will get relationship penalties or buffs with the Bretonnians.
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Well, Orion is explicitly awake, and on game start there are no Chaos agents around Athel Loren, so I'm gonna go ahead and guess the Welfs and the Brets are gonna have some problems given his usual default when there's no Chaos around is to go apeshit on as many Brettonian peasants as he can find.
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What do I care about vanguard deployment? Especially as Vlad "No ranged" The Dad
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Psycho Landlord posted:Well, Orion is explicitly awake, and on game start there are no Chaos agents around Athel Loren, so I'm gonna go ahead and guess the Welfs and the Brets are gonna have some problems given his usual default when there's no Chaos around is to go apeshit on as many Brettonian peasants as he can find.
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Aurubin posted:The trait system is kinda annoying in this game, at least when your Legendary Lord develops into an unjust, crazed kleptocrat. The tried and true strategy of having them rush a doomstack alone in their underwear doesn't work like it did in previous games. Can't recommend this mod enough http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=692561622
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Every-time I start thinking "man grail knights just arnt worth the cost, Im going to stop bringing them" a game like this happens  http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/178286345942988419/C755A4AA470737CD0F7020451D84F5D318AA5825/
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Zasze posted:Every-time I start thinking "man grail knights just arnt worth the cost, Im going to stop bringing them" a game like this happens Not enough minotaurs, they were never going to win  I don't even play MP
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Zasze posted:Every-time I start thinking "man grail knights just arnt worth the cost, Im going to stop bringing them" a game like this happens I like the one unit of bowmen which only got 15 kills compared to the others on like 70-80. Slackers.
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Baron Porkface posted:What do I care about vanguard deployment? Especially as Vlad "No ranged" The Dad it allows you to place units right bellow the nose of the enemy, negating a lot of the ranged potential of the enemy. You can also spawn people on their rear. It's specially deadly with things like Skulkers and wolf riders because they can tear things up in a real nasty way.
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Baron Porkface posted:What do I care about vanguard deployment? Especially as Vlad "No ranged" The Dad ... When your entire stack is melee Vanguard deployment is awesome? It basically halves the volleys you have to take on the way in.
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Aurubin posted:I hope one of the tradeoffs with Bretonnia is that their units are incredibly expensive while their economy is poo poo. It would be in keeping with the brutal serfdom/aloof nobility/secretly a buffer state whose religion is really a recruitment tool for a nihilistic Elven goddess. Speaking of the latter, I wonder if the Wood Elves will get relationship penalties or buffs with the Bretonnians. One cute mechanic Bretonnia had on the tabletop game was letting your opponent take the first turn so your Knights could pray to the Lady, in order to get some extra Ward saves. It'd be fun if that made an appearance somehow in Total War.
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Yeah, you literally always got to go first against Brets because the Blessing of the Lady was so good. The Knights could lose it for poo poo like panicking, fleeing from combat, or refusing challenges. Brets are awesome, hah
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Myyyyy goodness am I bad at this game. I tried playing as the dwarfs last night and ended up getting stomped by the green skins, much to my chagrin. I was progressing well enough through the campaign (I had just seized my fourth city by turn 20 something I think), but shortly thereafter Grimgor and a goblin stack appeared out of nowhere and began besieging my cities and I didn't have the dwarfpower to stop him with what I had. Is that a situation where I should just let him do his thing and hope he gets bored with sacking my pitiful cities, or is a better player able to fight him off? Before he arrived I was fooling myself into thinking that I was playing well, since I was able to take cities and knock out the odd orc army without much difficulty.
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Just build walls on everything as the Dwarfs and you should be fine, you'll beat most of the stuff they send at you and if they do send a doomstack at you so will you cripple it at the very least since your siege defense is stupid good.
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Also, be careful how quickly you expand. Sometimes it's better to sack/raze and come back later to colonize if there is an enemy army nearby. Note that if you are in pillars of grugni you can underway to your other cities in 1 turn. I sometimes have a small token force relying primarily on the adjacent garrison to fight off invading greens kids.
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As the dwarfs it's probably safest not to expand too quickly. Take your starting province in its entirety then either wait for Grimgor's army to show up or specifically seek him out yourself if you're feeling super-confident about your chances. If he has a Waaagh army in tow, you'll probably need to make use of garrison troops as well as your army to beat him (not necessarily, but probably). Once you smash Grimgor's army you've got far more leeway, but until that point he does like beelining straight for you.
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My games vs. Jacks Angry Biome: https://www.dropbox.com/s/racibi8cipcmkov/Nano%20vs.%20biome.zip?dl=0 Game 1: VC(Nano) vs. Dwarfs(biome) My first time playing this matchup in the tournament, seems incredibly Dwarf-sided because Vamps gotta waste 3100 gold on chaff infantry that will do less than nothing vs. dwarf armor. I don't play well enough to carry it at any rate. He takes Game 2:Chaos(Nano) vs. Greenskins(biome) He takes less cav than usual so my dragon ogres plus lord and manticore win that fight then come back get to hero snipe to their hearts content in the semi-even inf engagement in the middle. I take Game 3: He forfeits due to real life issues. Game me. Overall: 2-1 me SSJ naruto forfeited the match to me too, and maybe dropped out of the tournament, meaning that I have 2 more matches left vs. ChickenWing and Randark man. If there's no dropping out my record is 12-6. If both drop out, my record is 7-5.
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Thanks for the tips, all! I will put them to use later tonight, is determined to become at least an average Total War player. I've been out of the series for years now and it is taking a while to shake all of the cob-webs off
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Thanks for the tips, all! I will put them to use later tonight, is determined to become at least an average Total War player. I've been out of the series for years now and it is taking a while to shake all of the cob-webs off In addition to what others said, it's been my experience that the force estimator tends to underestimate walls and tends to overestimate Greenskin units. Point being that even if the game is telling you a battle is stacked against you, it's often worth fighting instead of autoresolving, especially if you're defending walls. I don't know why you guys were complaining about the Clan Angrund campaign on Very Hard. It's super easy if you somehow luck into confederating Karak Norn, kill Snarsnik (who mysteriously doesn't have a single unit), and confederate the Dwarf Empire which includes several settlements and Thorgrim with a Legendary weapon by turn 25 or so.
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I don't think force calculator factors in army morale either. You could be grossly ourltnumbered but if your army has high morale and theirs doesn't you can end up winning a 'hopeless' battle simply by forcing them to rout. However, it does factor in units that are fearless. They will inflict more damage in auto resolve but also suffer more casualties.
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If the waywatchers don't deried their opponents as "lumbahfoots" while peppering them to death I swear to god I will go full TWCenter on CA.
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Lightning strike and quarrelers are key for me in dealing with the first Grimgor Waagh.
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Gonkish posted:If the waywatchers don't deried their opponents as "lumbahfoots" while peppering them to death I swear to god I will go full TWCenter on CA. haha I love memes
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https://www.facebook.com/TotalWar/videos/1258885480853316/ Check out that war paint. EDIT: Also, I seem to be having trouble getting this thing to embed properly, I tried the video tag and that didn't work, any idea what I need to do? I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude. Stephen9001 fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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sassassin posted:haha I love memes 
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Those Wardancers look great. I always ran a big unit of them with a Wardancer Lord too, so I'm pretty pumped. Asrai Spears didn't exist in sixth, so that's a neat little addition.
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What are Asrai spears, like mechanically. Are they armor piercing weapons, effective on the charge? On a side note I've always been kind of bothered how spears are treated in Total War (and a lot of strategy games in general) as basically defensive weapons good against cavalry but ill suited for offensive work and engaging other infantry units. In reality spears were excellent offensive weapons, particularly if wielded by disciplined infantry (or articulated as milhis spergs sometimes say when it comes to a military formation that is capable of effective offensive action whilst maintaining order and formation). Compared to swords (the longer types at least) which needed more room to be wielded, spears were more conducive to fighting and attacking in formation which throughout history generally made it the primary weapon and relegated swords to a sidearm, a back-up weapon. There are many examples of hoplites, pikemen (Macedonian phalangites and the pikemen of the later medieval era) being devastating on the charge, and in the case of hoplite warfare charging (in formation) was basically the most important thing they did.
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I think they mentioned asrai spears being armour-piercing and anti-large in the battle walkthrough video. So I guess a bit similar to halberds? But probably with higher charge bonus for wardancers at least.
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I hadn't fought or played an Empire faction since the introduction of Flagellants, holy poo poo these guys. I didn't think too much of them until early in a game until I decided to bring Nuln and it's sweet cannon technology into the fold. I attack and the AI filled the walls with flagellants and backed them with a mortar and xbows. I had to reload and try the battle again because of those unbreakable fuckers. Between the walls and the unit that held the gate my army just kinda stalled and got picked apart by mortar fire, towers, and enemy arrows. They seem way better than Zombies for trapping the front line of an enemy army, not sure how survivable they are in late game but earlier on they're pretty awesome.
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They absolutely melt under any ranged fire at all, but if the enemy doesn't have ranged troops or otherwise can't bring them to bear effectively then flagellants are pound for pound better than other infantry at their price point I think. The fact that they get combat boosts if they're losing a fight makes them last much longer than you might think, and being unbreakable helps a lot too.
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