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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Daaaaaa dun. Daaaaaa dun. Daaaaa dun dada, daaaaaaa dun dada, DUN DUN DUN DA! 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:A question for Timby and the other GB mavens: did the original script have a theme/s (or at least a clearer or more obvious theme) and characters arcs? I know that Ivo Shandor was written into the script and was going to be played by Paul Reubens. No, Reubens was the original pick for Gozer, when Gozer was originally depicted as just a dude in a suit: Think the G-Man from Half-Life as sort of an analogue. That was changed when Reitman pointed out that the movie already had a dude in a suit as a villain. To my knowledge, the Ghost Smashers script in its entirety has never surfaced.
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Sep 9, 2017 18:32
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It has no central theme. It has no moral or message. It is the perfect entertainment device. And it will not stop until the busting makes you feel good.
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Sep 9, 2017 18:37
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:To say Ghostbusters has no theme is preposterous. To put it another way, to say that Seinfeld is a show about "nothing" is another way to say the show is about narcissists. That's the same theme as the hosed up Seinfeld spiritual sequels, Curb Your Enthusiasm and Always Sunny. There are plenty of things that Seinfeld was about: most typically narcissism, isolation (specifically the isolation caused by breaking or questioning social conventions), materialism (often by characters obsessing over one tiny detail), adolescence (or the refusal to mature), etc etc.. But it also wasn't a typical sitcom where the characters would end each episode with a fake sentimental resolution where they all hug and make up and find an end to the episode's tension and reinstate the status quo, instead it had the infamous "no hugging, no learning" rule where the characters never resolved anything and never learned their lessons. Seinfeld had thematic concepts but it never made thematic statements which is probably why people were so ready to jump on the "It's a show about nothing!" bandwagon.
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Sep 9, 2017 18:50
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There are plenty of things that Seinfeld was about: most typically narcissism, isolation (specifically the isolation caused by breaking or questioning social conventions), materialism (often by characters obsessing over one tiny detail), adolescence (or the refusal to mature), etc etc.. But it also wasn't a typical sitcom where the characters would end each episode with a fake sentimental resolution where they all hug and make up and find an end to the episode's tension and reinstate the status quo, instead it had the infamous "no hugging, no learning" rule where the characters never resolved anything and never learned their lessons. Seinfeld had thematic concepts but it never made thematic statements which is probably why people were so ready to jump on the "It's a show about nothing!" bandwagon. Also because of that being the thing they call the show over and over within it
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Sep 9, 2017 18:52
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Seinfeld had thematic concepts but it never made thematic statements which is probably why people were so ready to jump on the "It's a show about nothing!" bandwagon. corn in the bible posted:Also because of that being the thing they call the show over and over within it Right, but knowing these two things, you can easily pick up on the other thing. That's what a theme is.
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Sep 9, 2017 18:53
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Instead of trying to find the theme to Ghostbusters, what is the theme of other movies if GB is the only movie wiithout a theme? What is the theme of A Hard Day's Night or Help!? They're all films about a quartet of people who have an adventure but you can hardly say that getting to the concert is a theme, either. Eastern Religion vs. Colonialism? The end of the film is the plucky Brits and their converted fan turning the tables on their rivals to make them attack one another. Ultimately, their experience will in reality make them messengers and pundits of the philosophies they have fought against.
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Sep 9, 2017 18:54
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corn in the bible posted:Also because of that being the thing they call the show over and over within it Seinfeld himself is apparently pretty annoyed that that phrase caught on as much as it did, according to this Reddit AMA: Jerry Seinfeld posted:The pitch for the show, the real pitch, when Larry and I went to NBC in 1988, was we want to show how a comedian gets his material. The show about nothing was just a joke in an episode many years later, and Larry and I to this day are surprised that it caught on as a way that people describe the show, because to us it's the opposite of that.
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Sep 9, 2017 18:56
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JediTalentAgent posted:Instead of trying to find the theme to Ghostbusters, what is the theme of other movies if GB is the only movie wiithout a theme? Exactly.
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Sep 9, 2017 19:00
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JediTalentAgent posted:What is the theme of A Hard Day's Night One of the major themes playing throughout the film is the tension between the benefits and drawbacks of fame. Their fame gives them freedom but also imprisons them and they can never find a happy medium between the two extremes.
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Sep 9, 2017 19:16
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I actually like the "garage band" interpretation, it sticks pretty well. If we carry that over into the second film, it works especially well, because fame is fleeting and they always forget your name.
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Sep 9, 2017 21:30
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precision posted:I actually like the "garage band" interpretation, it sticks pretty well. If we carry that over into the second film, it works especially well, because fame is fleeting and they always forget your name. Proton Packs are electric guitars. Winston is that one member of the group who comes in after they're formed. Peck is an PMRC guy wanting them to put their lyrics on albums and then blames them for a satanic craze hitting the populace. It's no coincidence that their debut in an upscale ballroom catapults them to stardom and why the remake has the new team making their debut on a literal rock concert stage. Dear god...
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Sep 10, 2017 06:39
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Exactly. You still haven't said what you think the theme of Ghostbusters is. Not even trying to be a dick, I'm just curious what you think.
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Sep 10, 2017 06:40
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Inescapable Duck posted:
It's not a conspiracy theory, corporations realised to qualify for tax breaks they simply had to ship recyclable materials back to their "factories", they were not required to use all the materials reclaimed which lead to a hilarious charade of companies trucking in materials, signing them in then shipping them straight back out to landfills.
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Sep 10, 2017 08:00
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Alan_Shore posted:You still haven't said what you think the theme of Ghostbusters is. Not even trying to be a dick, I'm just curious what you think. The themes obviously exist because they were carried over directly into the Ghostbusters music video (which features the literal theme song). Here are a few: -Charlatanism / hucksterism. -Advertisement, marketing and desire. -Celebrity and artifice. -Oppressive urbanity. -Fraught gender dynamics (with tentative links to race and class conflict). -Jokey psychosexual horror.
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Sep 10, 2017 08:39
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The sex stuff in Ghostbusters isn't something you see in many other non flat out horror movies, and is surprising for a film that started a franchise that got a lot of money out of children's cartoons. (then again, that wasn't exactly uncommon in the 80s)
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Sep 10, 2017 08:58
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Knowing about Aykroyd's personal beliefs I suspect that one of the themes of Ghostbusters might also be "Sometimes conspiracy theories are correct, don't let The Man hold you back from what you know is true"  After all, Walter Peck and the Dean and the mayor and everyone else who stands in their way would have been 100% correct and justified in their actions except for the fact that there actually was an evil conspiracy to bring about an end to the world in this one specific case. Edit: Peck was right in any case, Egon confirms in the "That's a big Twinkie!" scene that the containment grid isn't holding up too well. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Sep 10, 2017 |
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Sep 10, 2017 10:36
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Timby posted:No, Reubens was the original pick for Gozer, when Gozer was originally depicted as just a dude in a suit: Think the G-Man from Half-Life as sort of an analogue. It's funny, I was originally going to reply with what you did, about Reubens apparently meant for Gozer, but according to the fan wiki (which might be incorrect, but when it comes to gb fans/nerds, maybe they're pedantic enough to have this correct) he was thought of as someone to play Shandor. http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Gozer
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Sep 10, 2017 12:42
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Ghostbusters is just a remake of Meatballs.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:04
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Ghostbusters is just a remake of Meatballs. Alan_Shore posted:You still haven't said what you think the theme of Ghostbusters is. Not even trying to be a dick, I'm just curious what you think. In addition to all the stuff SMG has pointed out, all of which is pretty evident, the slobs vs. snobs thing, ie. class warfare, literally covers a ton of ground in Ghostbusters. If you know a little contemporary geography, late 70's-early 80's SoHo, below which the Ghostbusters can afford to buy a condemned firehouse, was utterly run down and the center of NYC's heroin problem. In '82, New York City, almost unfathomably, was set to be the next Detroit. To contrast, the upper West Side, where the Shandor building is located, has signified mega-wealth pretty much since Central Park was zoned. Venkman and Spengler bitch about having to get real jobs, get chewed out for being tenured slobs and whatever, sucking off the teat of grant money. Winston will "believe whatever you say" as long as there's a paycheck in it. The scene where Tully bangs on the restaurant doors before being ignored by the patrons is particularly pointed, even if you don't know that specific restaurant is a byword for "very fancy restaurant", Tavern on the Green. It's that New York City's wealthiest and most elite are so inured to homelessness that it's not thought remarkable, it's just part of the local color. So there's a lot of ugly undercurrent to it, it's just expressed in a very mild and humorous way because the "slobs" are middle class white guys that own shops in Greenwich Village, and the "snobs" are Big Government (the EPA, that drat Liberal mayor) that they're trying to get over on. As in, they're libertarians. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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Sep 11, 2017 02:41
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Ghostbusters is just a remake of Meatballs. Are you ready for the ghosts? Are you ready for Gozer? Are you ready for the Ecto-1, the spooky fun, and a whole lot of fooling around
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Sep 11, 2017 02:59
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How about a Ghostbusters movie from the ghosts' POV? https://www.avclub.com/the-ghostbus...SocialMarketing
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Oct 4, 2017 00:48
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Davros1 posted:How about a Ghostbusters movie from the ghosts' POV? On the one hand, I've hated almost every "from the monster's point of view" story ever. On the other hand, I doubt this will be serious.
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Oct 4, 2017 01:29
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Plus wasn't about every fourth ep of the animated series already a story "from the ghosts perspective".
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Oct 4, 2017 02:12
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remember when the cartoon did an episode based on citizen kane.
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Oct 4, 2017 02:19
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Groovelord Neato posted:remember when the cartoon did an episode based on citizen kane. yup. Spooks Illustrated, a sled called Rosebud & a giant possessed sphinx
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Oct 4, 2017 07:40
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There was also the one where they time travelled and captured the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future.
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Oct 4, 2017 09:10
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Inescapable Duck posted:There was also the one where they time travelled and captured the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future. Which was the best, because it turned Scrooge into an even bigger dickhead.
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Oct 4, 2017 09:12
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I mentioned this about a year or so ago but McCarthy and maybe another member of the GB2016 cast did voice work for a still-unreleased animated movie called "B.O.O." Described on IMDB as "Dedicated to protecting humans from evil hauntings, the agents of B.O.O. have a secret weapon: they are ghosts themselves." It still seems unreleased and it's a Dreamworks production with the director of the Emoji Movie listed as attached, but I wonder if this might be a case of it being a dead project that Sony/GCorps acquired and is maybe going to try salvage what they can and rework it into something else with a new director?
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Oct 4, 2017 15:52
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The only way to salvage anything mccarthys in is to toss it into a garbage fire.
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Oct 5, 2017 13:13
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To be fair McCarthy isn't terrible: she is funny in a good role and I was impressed when she played it straight in St Vincent.
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Oct 5, 2017 15:32
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You just can't build an entire production around McCarthy imo. She needs to be a part of a whole, not the entire reason for the movie existing. She's not funny enough to carry stuff on her own. Then again I feel the same way about basically every popular comedian currently working, and yet Kevin James continues to make tens of millions and get high ratings.
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Oct 5, 2017 15:43
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Basebf555 posted:You just can't build an entire production around McCarthy imo. She needs to be a part of a whole, not the entire reason for the movie existing. She's not funny enough to carry stuff on her own. Then again I feel the same way about basically every popular comedian currently working, and yet Kevin James continues to make tens of millions and get high ratings. To be completely fair to Kevin James, which I know is unpopular, the dude got big on a sitcom where by definition he had other people around doing stuff. There's no defense for PUAL BLART but I think his milquetoast character is perfect for Untitled Schlubby Dad Sitcom Project or whatever it is he does most of the time. There's a place for people like that and I guess good for him on managing to find it...
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Oct 5, 2017 19:15
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corn in the bible posted:To be completely fair to Kevin James, which I know is unpopular, the dude got big on a sitcom where by definition he had other people around doing stuff. Agreed, half the reason people watched King of Queens was for Jerry Stiller. James is like Jerry Seinfeld, in that his stand-up is pretty impressive just from the standpoint of how clean it is. He manages to get laughs 100% purely through his delivery, the bits themselves aren't really anything unique or special. I just don't think he's talented enough to be making millions starring in movies, or that he should be able to just waltz into any network and star in a sitcom(which he can), but the market disagrees with me.
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Oct 5, 2017 19:31
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Basebf555 posted:You just can't build an entire production around McCarthy imo. She needs to be a part of a whole, not the entire reason for the movie existing. She's not funny enough to carry stuff on her own. Then again I feel the same way about basically every popular comedian currently working, and yet Kevin James continues to make tens of millions and get high ratings. But that was also a pretty different movie for her as she was playing the straightwoman.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Counterpoint: Spy is a really good movie. I haven't seen that, but from what I read about it I think it actually works to prove my point. She's part of the team in that movie, kinda like Ghostbusters. A main player, but not the only thing the entire movie revolves around. Am I off-base on that?
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Oct 5, 2017 22:36
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She starts as the assistant/desk jockey to a field agent. When that agent dies and they need an unknown face to continue, she volunteers and it is revealed that she actually trained to be an agent when she was younger. From there on it pretty much is a one woman show. Jason Statham plays another field agent, but he is an arrogant macho who actually makes things worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_6w6hBnXAg It definitely has that same "improv 30 lines and we'll pick the 3 best ones" style of comedy. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Oct 5, 2017 22:51
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Mierenneuker posted:She starts as the assistant/desk jockey to a field agent. When that agent dies and they need an unknown face to continue, she volunteers and it is revealed that she actually trained to be an agent when she was younger. From there on it pretty much is a one woman show. Jason Statham plays another field agent, but he is an arrogant macho who actually makes things worse. But much more of a reserved character? Sounds really interesting, I'll have to check it out.
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Oct 5, 2017 22:56
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She starts of as more reserved character but is forced to come up with a rather vulgar, aggressive identity to get close to the antagonist (and to deal with Statham trying to mess up her undercover op). Does that sound like a typical McCarthy character? Well, it is. I thought Spy was an enjoyable comedy, but if you don't like McCarthy this movie won't change that. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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While this is a very good replica I feel like whoever spent the time on this is not going to recoup their investment: https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cadillac-F...1%257Ciid%253A1
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