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I remember that story about Swedish forces in Afghanistan hiring local translators and then when the Swedes pulled out they left them behind to get murdered for assisting western imperialist invaders plunder their country. I was always kind of split on the issue because on one hand the Swedish military obviously has a responsibility here but on the other hand I can't imagine any reversed scenario where I wouldn't think they earned it. Like if Russia invaded Sweden and some people helped the Russian soldiers. Then when Russia pulls out Putin leaves the Swedes who helped them behind etc.
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Katt posted:I remember that story about Swedish forces in Afghanistan hiring local translators and then when the Swedes pulled out they left them behind to get murdered for assisting western imperialist invaders plunder their country. Plunder?
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Dec 23, 2020 22:26
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Katt posted:I remember that story about Swedish forces in Afghanistan hiring local translators and then when the Swedes pulled out they left them behind to get murdered for assisting western imperialist invaders plunder their country. Pretty sure it was the Danish, not the Swedish. I think we hosed it up a lot because we were scared of military adjacent brown people, even though they had a pretty legitimate reason to seek asylum, om specifically one caused by Denmark.
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Dec 24, 2020 08:12
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BonHair posted:Pretty sure it was the Danish, not the Swedish. I think we hosed it up a lot because we were scared of military adjacent brown people, even though they had a pretty legitimate reason to seek asylum, om specifically one caused by Denmark. This happened in Sweden too. I remember a radio interview with some officer who said basically "we hired them as translators and never promised them asylum. They got paid for their work that's the end of our agreement"
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Dec 24, 2020 08:19
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Katt posted:I was always kind of split on the issue because on one hand the Swedish military obviously has a responsibility here but on the other hand I can't imagine any reversed scenario where I wouldn't think they earned it. I don't think there's any moral grey-area here at all. They were non-combatants which we put at risk for our own benefit. Leaving them to dry as the Taliban increasingly re-asserted control over the country was straight up immoral. Especially when it was only because our acting government was afraid of being portrayed as kind to foreigners. It'd be a different question if they were mercs, spies or whatever. But translators are a necessity of any occupationary force not hell-bent on murdering every civilian they come into contact with. They'll always dominantly be locals who need food and shelter to live. The fact that the military intervention in Afghanistan was as illegitimate as they come doesn't make leaving the translators to die okay. Two wrongs don't make one right.
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Dec 24, 2020 08:39
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Katt posted:This happened in Sweden too. I remember a radio interview with some officer who said basically "we hired them as translators and never promised them asylum. They got paid for their work that's the end of our agreement" And then they  about locals not cooperating any more.
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I know the Norwegians have a word for someone who helps an invading enemy. But I don't know if the Swedes or Danes do 
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Dec 24, 2020 09:23
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Katt posted:I know the Norwegians have a word for someone who helps and invading enemy. But I don't know if the Swedes or Danes do "Norsk"
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Dec 24, 2020 09:26
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I guess Fin would work too. What with them buddying it up with Onkel Adolf to do some genocide. Mannerheim to Nuremberg.
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So, Danish Radio published an interesting article just now, and the first thing anyone sees when opening the article is a father and a daughter not wearing a mask, followed by a mother holding her daughter who not wearing a mask while the mother, who is possibly pregnant, seemingly wears the mask wrong (it appears to me that she's twisted the straps of the mask, so that more air is let in through the side). Further down the article, there's a picture of another dad who's got the mask only covering his mouth, while his three children aren't wearing masks at all. Do...do people not realize that their children, who likely haven't learned to cover their mouth and nose with the back of the elbow when coughing, can be asymptomatic disease carriers too? On reflection, you probably don't need to answer that.
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Dec 24, 2020 11:14
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Personally I'm really careful, we canceled/moved christmas in my family (merry christmas scandipol!) but there is no reason to wear a mask around people you're living with unless they're sick and you're not. In the pictures the families are pretty far away from other people and they're outside - the dad without the mask probably removed it after leaving the church and getting away from other people - or his kid did. Kids pull on masks all the time when carried, likely also what happened to nose-guy. Older kids might also have removed theirs. In addition, sundhedsstyrelsen does say that children under 12 are exempt from having to wear masks. More generally, WHO and UNICEF recommends that children under 5 are not required to wear mask. Age 5 - 11 under certain circumstances. Above 12 should wear masks. Children are also quite unlikely to be carriers in general, and it's quite a bit more unlikely if their parents are not sick. The most recent studies show that children are very unlikely to be the cause of household clusters for example. Not that it's impossible for a kid to have contracted it, spread it, but the parent not yet having symptoms obviously - it's just very unlikely. Walking by someone outside is also not a very dangerous situation without masks - and probably not at all at the distances shown in the pictures. Obviously an asymptomatic carrier (or someone who is outside without a mask despite having symptoms) who exhales really hard, or sneezes, just as you're passing close by them, with neither of you wearing masks, can infect you. I don't think anything in those pictures are particularly outrageous. What is outrageous is that that the church is having Christmas mass, loving petri-dish rooms with singing. I'm almost certain there will be a substantial increase from that alone - though I'm not sure how many churches are doing it, since everyone recommended against it. We all know that jesus wasn't actually born on the 24th or 25th or whatever, loving just do it at some other time when the vaccine has been doled out or something. Revelation 2-13 fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Dec 24, 2020 11:51
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Katt posted:I know the Norwegians have a word for someone who helps an invading enemy. "Svensk".
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:So, Danish Radio published an interesting article just now, and the first thing anyone sees when opening the article is a father and a daughter not wearing a mask, followed by a mother holding her daughter who not wearing a mask while the mother, who is possibly pregnant, seemingly wears the mask wrong (it appears to me that she's twisted the straps of the mask, so that more air is let in through the side). Further down the article, there's a picture of another dad who's got the mask only covering his mouth, while his three children aren't wearing masks at all. Twisting the straps seems fine, the point is not to filter air but the catch the spittle. People with small heads do it all the time. Teaching kids to wear masks and cough responsibly is in many cases basically impossible, which is why they're exempt. Also, lots of people, especially people with glasses, remove their masks as soon as they get outside where they can keep their distance, because otherwise they can't see poo poo. The real problem is gathering people in churches (and other places), not individuals having human mask discipline
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Dec 24, 2020 12:16
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Alhazred posted:"Svensk".
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Dec 24, 2020 12:42
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Hold fire you ingrates. Sweden was the loyal, benevolent guardian or Norway for centuries. One snafu doesn't diminish generations of altruism.
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Dec 24, 2020 12:45
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Alhazred posted:"Svensk". Yes, indeed. Historical precedence even.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Personally I'm really careful, we canceled/moved christmas in my family (merry christmas scandipol!) but there is no reason to wear a mask around people you're living with unless they're sick and you're not. In the pictures the families are pretty far away from other people and they're outside - the dad without the mask probably removed it after leaving the church and getting away from other people - or his kid did. Kids pull on masks all the time when carried, likely also what happened to nose-guy. Older kids might also have removed theirs. In addition, sundhedsstyrelsen does say that children under 12 are exempt from having to wear masks. More generally, WHO and UNICEF recommends that children under 5 are not required to wear mask. Age 5 - 11 under certain circumstances. Above 12 should wear masks. Children are also quite unlikely to be carriers in general, and it's quite a bit more unlikely if their parents are not sick. The most recent studies show that children are very unlikely to be the cause of household clusters for example. Not that it's impossible for a kid to have contracted it, spread it, but the parent not yet having symptoms obviously - it's just very unlikely. Walking by someone outside is also not a very dangerous situation without masks - and probably not at all at the distances shown in the pictures. Obviously an asymptomatic carrier (or someone who is outside without a mask despite having symptoms) who exhales really hard, or sneezes, just as you're passing close by them, with neither of you wearing masks, can infect you. Katt posted:Hold fire you ingrates. Sweden was the loyal, benevolent guardian or Norway for centuries. One snafu doesn't diminish generations of altruism.
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Så blev det da jul som det gjør hvert år, og julefest holdtes i hver en gård så langt som den hellige kristenhet når. Og ribbe og surkål og øl og dram man åt og drakk for å ære ham som fødtes i armod og døde i skam. Og prestene gjentok de eldgamle ting. Men noe var nytt. For med radio kring blev talene sendt - som på engleving! I eteren bruste velsignede ord som dengang da byrdene hørte et kor der sang det utrolige. Fred på jord! Fabrikkherren likte det bibelsted og tenkte på: hvordan slå lønnen ned og likevel sikre sig arbeidsfred? Politichefen syntes det også var godt, og gudskjelov hadde han nylig slått et oprør til jord og bragt statsskuten flott. Rebellene satt nu bak lås og slå og hadde det fredfullt og ventet på den dødsdom de alle var viss på å få. Og forsvarsministeren følte sig vel som aldri tilforn noen julekveld. Hans virke for freden var kronet med hell. For fredsgarantien er vebnet makt. Og den skulde ingen få ødelagt med vennskapstraktat eller avrustningspakt! Og utenriks-statsråden var også glad at freden var innført så fort og bra i Samoa og Nicaragua. De innfødte truet med litt av hvert, men heldigvis hadde en giftgass-ekspert til advarsel gitt dem en kraftig snert. Hver eneste sjel i vår kristenhet blev løftet på bølger av kjærlighet For fred er det beste - som alle vet. Men alle de drepte på ærens mark de utstøtte bare et uhørlig hark, og hemmelig gav de hverandre et spark. Under Arc de Triomphe lå en ukjent soldat. Han snudde sig ikke. Han var vel for lat. Og hadde så ofte hørt lignende prat.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:What period are these stats based on? The way you write this it kinda comes across like it's an intrinsic fact that kids are unlikely to be carriers. As I said, it’s not like children can’t get it. It’s just unlikely that they have it, if their parents don’t have it. There was a review of a bunch of research on children and the spread, and it was suggested that children are rarely the cause of household clusters, meaning if the parents don’t have it’s not very likely that the children have it. Children are more likely to be asymptotic though. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/12/kids-likely-not-driving-household-covid-19-outbreaks
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Revelation 2-13 posted:As I said, it’s not like children can’t get it. It’s just unlikely that they have it, if their parents don’t have it. There was a review of a bunch of research on children and the spread, and it was suggested that children are rarely the cause of household clusters, meaning if the parents don’t have it’s not very likely that the children have it. Children are more likely to be asymptotic though. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/12/kids-likely-not-driving-household-covid-19-outbreaks From the article posted:the researchers cautioned that children may be infrequently identified as index cases because of limited interaction outside the home during the study period
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Katt posted:Hold fire you ingrates. Sweden was the loyal, benevolent guardian or Norway for centuries. One snafu doesn't diminish generations of altruism. lol
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Katt posted:Hold fire you ingrates. Sweden was the loyal, benevolent guardian or Norway for centuries. One snafu doesn't diminish generations of altruism. Let's not forget that Sweden wanted Norway to have all the black gold to themselves out of pure incompe^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hkindness.
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Clayton Bigsby posted:Let's not forget that Sweden wanted Norway to have all the black gold to themselves out of pure incompe^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hkindness. Virgin Norway oil VS Chad Sweden iron ore and lumber.
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Scratch a Swede and a nationalist bleeds, lol
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I would have thought Norwegians were madder at Danes but, uh, no?
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Gaukler posted:Scratch a Swede and a nationalist bleeds, lol 
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It's pretty hard to be a nationalist Swede because you have to be nostalgic for an age that basically only exist in writings on stone tablets. Which is probably why so many Swedish nationalists go for the generic "Nordic culture" or "Western culture"
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Rust Martialis posted:I would have thought Norwegians were madder at Danes but, uh, no? Why? What did they ever do to us?
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Nice piece of fish posted:Why? What did they ever do to us? they hosed our language up
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Nice piece of fish posted:Why? What did they ever do to us? Made you speak Danish
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V. Illych L. posted:they hosed our language up If anything we fixed theirs
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Katt posted:It's pretty hard to be a nationalist Swede because you have to be nostalgic for an age that basically only exist in writings on stone tablets. Well, a Swedish nationalist can also be an old social democrat that thinks everything went worse after the 70s. Our boomers are pretty much diehard S.
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Rust Martialis posted:I would have thought Norwegians were madder at Danes but, uh, no? V. Illych L. posted:they hosed our language up Nice piece of fish posted:If anything we fixed theirs Cardiac posted:Well, a Swedish nationalist can also be an old social democrat that thinks everything went worse after the 70s. Our boomers are pretty much diehard S.
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In the extremely danish movie Druk, Mads Mikkelsen gets cheated on by his inexplicably Swedish wife. https://twitter.com/gifmads/status/1340219573887492099 Discuss in groups what this is a metaphor for.
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MiddleOne posted:In the extremely danish movie Druk, Mads Mikkelsen gets cheated on by his inexplicably Swedish wife. Swede thieves, thief swedes and swedes that steal.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:(it appears to me that she's twisted the straps of the mask, so that more air is let in through the side). Revelation 2-13 posted:Children are also quite unlikely to be carriers in general Revelation 2-13 posted:What is outrageous is that that the church is having Christmas mass evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Katt posted:It's pretty hard to be a nationalist Swede because you have to be nostalgic for an age that basically only exist in writings on stone tablets. Yeah Sweden the famously non-nationalist country, with no imperialist history or anything to harken back to.
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Told GF about everyone hating on Swedes in this thread and her comment was "good". Asked her if Danes were mad at Norwegians and she paused, looked mildly confused and said "they're just riding around on elks, singing their language. Why would Danes be mad at them?" 
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Mom worked at Posten as it became PostNord and she spent a few years working with danish HK ppl. She doesnt like to talk about that time. But she has hated the Dane viciously since. Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Dec 25, 2020 |
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Rust Martialis posted:I would have thought Norwegians were madder at Danes but, uh, no? Well, 1814 [2] is quite a bit longer ago than 1940-1945 [1], or even 1905. [1] While it's doubtful if Sweden could really have done anything much against the interests of Germany in WW2, there was and still is some saltiness among Norwegians about their wartime conduct. While Denmark escapes such sentiments given that it could have done pretty much nothing in any case (being small, flat and right next to Germany, it was conquered in about the time it takes to drive a tank across). [2] There is a school of thought that views the events of 1814 as at least partially a Norwegian attempt to stay in union with Denmark, rather than going for full independence. Evidence: The guy they chose to be the King of independent Norway was also in line to inherit the Danish throne, which I'm sure was a mere coincidence...
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