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prefect posted:Sorry, but the two parties that are in power don't feel like doing anything that would let other people muscle in on their scene. Why it's almost as if electoral politics is a dead end and direct action and organization in other spheres is a better strategy for building grassroots power. It's like what Howard Zinn said: "What matters most is not who is sitting in the White House, but "who is sitting in" -- and who is marching outside the White House, pushing for change.". The times the biggest progressive reforms were won in the US were not times when we happened to elect the nicest presidents, but when people were regularly striking and marching in the streets. It's also worth considering that it was socialists and anarchists and so on who were leading those charges in those eras, not loving Democrats or anyone seeking office.
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actually the best way to enact change is screenshots of tweets with the caption "I just can't even right now..."
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second best way is tweeting jokes stolen from other people at journalists
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MikeCrotch posted:The same applies to Chavez - the Bolivarian Revolution (under either Maduro or Chavez) is of course not above criticism by any means, but the attacks seem to take a very disingenuous line that societal problems only arose as a result of socialism, not that there were deep problems with the economy, law and order and political corruption for decades before Chavez ever took power. That's without even going into the US's role in meddling in South American affairs for its own benefits. 1. If you are in power for almost two decades, eventually you own the problems, fairly or unfairly. 2. Politics didn't begin in 1998, but they didn't end there either. There's other leftist governments in South America since then, with varying degrees of success, applying varying types of politics, some more left-wing than others. For the most part, they've all fared better than Venezuela, and for the most part, they don't get anywhere near the same level of fascination among new leftists. If we are honest with ourselves, we can admit that a big part of that is just image. Chavismo is a great image: strident, aggressive leaders talking about a Bolivarian revolution. Other leftist governments: not anywhere near as much. To what extent does that image reflect reality? 3. I think it goes beyond 'frustrating'. I think most people who get into leftist thought do so because of leftist critique of mainstream politics/history. This critique often comes across as very principled, because there is not the sense that leftists are attached to some benefactor or clinging to something for ideological purposes, unlike the people they're criticizing. One of the most successful leftist critiques of western right-wingers is tying 'harmless' U.S. commentators to awful right-wing extremists in, say, South American countries, because they tacitly support or downplay their actions, or call them a necessity. If people on the left engage in the same arguments, but for 'their own', if they just come across as if they defend things because of how they're labelled, it undermines their appeal in a really fundamental way. Because you can't make things about supporting a team, people will just abandon you for a more successful team. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Aug 4, 2017 15:39
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It's been interesting to compare reaction in the US of Maduro's vote and Temer's.
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Joementum posted:It's been interesting to compare reaction in the US of Maduro's vote and Temer's. now this is an incredibly good point about how regardless of direct US involvement in either, we still very overtly support authoritarian right wing thugs while condemning left wing ones.
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Aug 4, 2017 15:47
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Even accounting for clear media bias, Venezuela's situation is considerably worse than Brazil's.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Even accounting for clear media bias, Venezuela's situation is considerably worse than Brazil's. it's a much more dire situation yea but if the standard is 'we don't accept crony politics protecting a corrupt leader from justice' then we should at least be throwing some stupid and pointless sanctions on Temer's money too or whatever.
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sexpig by night posted:I need this tattooed over my rear end That's not going to leave much space for VENERATE THE HOUSEWIFE
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Aug 4, 2017 16:06
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New episode is really good. The Trump transcript is amazing.
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Aug 4, 2017 18:13
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The way they put swelling Americana music over trumps quotes makes me cry with laughter every time, holy poo poo what a historical embarrassment.
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Al-Saqr posted:holy poo poo what a historical embarrassment. I'm going to have kids just so I can tell my grandkids about being alive during this time. Edit: "Foie Gras Christman" Jonas Albrecht fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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sexpig by night posted:it's a much more dire situation yea but if the standard is 'we don't accept crony politics protecting a corrupt leader from justice' then we should at least be throwing some stupid and pointless sanctions on Temer's money too or whatever. Brazil has far, far more deep connections with the US given the CIA Military coup and all. Heck, I recall the US making some sort of "We must respect the recent changes in the Brazilian Government" statement! Kunster fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Aug 4, 2017 20:17
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out of sheer morbid curiosity i checked out r/Capitalism
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Yeah Brazil has been in the pockets of the US for years. It really is hilarious how opposed the US is to any leftist government while talking about "funding moderate Al Qaeda" and poo poo like that. Truly an evil empire.
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Race Realists posted:out of sheer morbid curiosity i checked out r/Capitalism look at this brutal self own
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Aug 4, 2017 20:31
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I got October by China Miéville and it's good, just like Chapo said on their episode on it. Chapo have good book tastes.
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China Mieville is a cool guy with good politics but I cannot stand his writing style 
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Aug 4, 2017 21:28
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Revolutionary Russia by Orlando Figes is a great read and covers the macro history from 1891-1991. Strongly recommend.
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Aug 4, 2017 22:36
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Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution is also very good. It lays out the pre revolution politics in great detail and is an analytical account of the events going forward that is also very decent prose. You don't have to be a Trotskyist to appreciate it, it's considered one of the definitive accounts of those events for a reason. Edit: included a link to Haymarket Books, who is currently publishing it Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Aug 4, 2017 23:18
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So October isn't a hagiography of Lenin n' friends, right?
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Lord Frisk posted:Revolutionary Russia by Orlando Figes is a great read and covers the macro history from 1891-1991. Strongly recommend. Mr. Lobe posted:Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution is also very good. It lays out the pre revolution politics in great detail and is an analytical account of the events going forward that is also very decent prose. You don't have to be a Trotskyist to appreciate it, it's considered one of the definitive accounts of those events for a reason. Thanks, will check those out. SEX HAVER 40000 posted:So October isn't a hagiography of Lenin n' friends, right? So far, it's not, but Lenin hasn't returned from Exile yet. I got the book yesterday.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:31
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As somebody who is regularly owned, I formally denounce corncob
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Joementum posted:It's been interesting to compare reaction in the US of Maduro's vote and Temer's. One of the big reasons Greenwald has been a bit of a skeptic on the Russia story is because the Obama people (especially Ben Rhodes) openly accused the intercept of being part of a Russian plot when they published that Dilma had been wiretapped by the American government, and that people who had led the impeachment in Brazil already had a bunch of meeting with the US government scheduled for the week of the impeachment vote.
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I can't abide Felix poo poo talking 2C-E
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Brendan is great. More Brendan on air please chapo
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Moist von Lipwig posted:I can't abide Felix poo poo talking 2C-E it's no 2c-i
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:As somebody who is regularly owned, I formally denounce corncob As someone from Indiana, I must support the corncob.
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idk where else this kind of large son content would be appreciated https://twitter.com/jiatolentino/status/893502998864961536
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Hahaha Jia Tolentino rules
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defend mullenism-leninism
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razorscooter posted:idk where else this kind of large son content would be appreciated Jia "the best meme explainer" Tolentino Out here putting vox to shame
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Its weird seeing people on the left dismiss or roll their eyes at the DSA convention, it seems like they are doing good work, but I'm pretty ignorant of the nuances between the DSA and other socialist groups.
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