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as far as mechanics i spec for I went whole hog on harbinger and ritual and expedition and delerium last league and now im so sick of it i never want to see any of it again. so with the economy changes and archnem changes maybe I'll go back to blight and heist or something. maybe harvest now that it's more of a fire and forget thing. it depends on the build, if im really zoomy then heist is incredibly easy and not a problem. if im not it's one of the worst tortures in the game besides the campaign.
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Aug 13, 2022 11:30
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Melee players just need to harvest craft one good weapon and they’re set until ubers, the hell are you talking about The campaign is new to me every time because I do different builds almost every league and have done so since beta, would recommend
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Aug 13, 2022 11:46
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Prediction: by 3.20 or even mid-league they will change some stuff around with divine orbs, such as turning exalts back into the metacraft option or changing some div cards from exalts to divine orbs. I don't think GGG took into account how many div cards there were to generate exalt orbs and they were still 100c+ every league and how few options there are for divines. Other prediction: rarity affecting currency drops means the powerfarming groups with a specialized culler will be making GBS threads out currency like we've never seen before and they will be pulling stacks of exalts and divines out of every map while the peasants scrounge for pennies, expect a video within a week of league start of that.
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Aug 13, 2022 12:29
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Rarity only affects currency drops in the very narrow case of AN mods converting item drops into currency. This might be a big deal or it might be absolutely nothing, but its only relevant in very few rares (which are already more rare than before)
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Aug 13, 2022 12:40
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They got rid of that one keystone that added a rare mod so probably not as insane as it could be. I wonder if rare mods affect drops in mechanics or if it's just 'raw' mobs? Cuz nobody farms Heist for XP or drops from mobs, but if high level contracts have 4 mod rares you can farm those for quite a while longer than you'd expect. Plus you can still like, run juiced blight maps.
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Aug 13, 2022 12:47
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Larry Parrish posted:They got rid of that one keystone that added a rare mod so probably not as insane as it could be. I wonder if rare mods affect drops in mechanics or if it's just 'raw' mobs? Cuz nobody farms Heist for XP or drops from mobs, but if high level contracts have 4 mod rares you can farm those for quite a while longer than you'd expect. Plus you can still like, run juiced blight maps. Heist mobs stop giving Xp after a while literally because people wouldn't stop farming them for insane Xp/h
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Aug 13, 2022 12:50
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Rage vortex is very good because you can run around while it's yeeting on a boss or rare. I used bladestorm to map and build rage in 3.18. the mapping speed was adequate, great for bossing of course. sounds like alk and ben are gonna use it to league start too shame they made chain breaker even worse
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Aug 13, 2022 13:29
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I want rage vortex to work with poison so bad. I wish it worked with claws...
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Aug 13, 2022 13:41
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There is a way around that...
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Aug 13, 2022 13:59
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is there a good guide on running heists for profit. i like heist well enough that i might do it this league but i don't think i do it in a way that builds up blueprints or anything like that fast
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Aug 13, 2022 14:05
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The problem with heist - at least for me - is that you are not in maps Maps are ridiculous with the atlas passives . The next league mechanic is also in maps
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Aug 13, 2022 14:06
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Wuxi posted:You do not ever under any circumstances drop the Fortify node on Champ. Its literally the reason you go Champ and the biggest reason why its such a strong ascendancy. like the people playing chieftain are gonna have more luck doing totems or fire convert reap than they are slams. and one of the other viable melee skills is getting completely kneecapped because of more stun immune monsters existing.
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Aug 13, 2022 14:08
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Wuxi posted:Heist mobs stop giving Xp after a while literally because people wouldn't stop farming them for insane Xp/h yeah, i mean nobody farms them for that anymore. or at least most people don't. it's still slower than 5 ways. but you can go for a shockingly long time in those things. it takes like 3 or 4 minutes before the mobs stop giving drops and xp.
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Aug 13, 2022 14:09
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Jinnigan posted:is there a good guide on running heists for profit. i like heist well enough that i might do it this league but i don't think i do it in a way that builds up blueprints or anything like that fast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAkm6VhWW64
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Aug 13, 2022 14:09
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FZeroRacer posted:lol if you think melee is fine, also melee cannot scale way harder than ranged and dot builds either lmao what year is this. like even if you somehow ignore how well EA or seismic trap or minions scaled there's still spectral helix which crushes most other melee options as a pseudo-ranged choice (while also sucking rear end to play) mainly thanks to how Nightblade functions. The best build of last league was literally Omni LS and thats a melee skill and compared to DD/Seismic/EA it barely got touched. Earthshatter, Rage Vortex and Helix easily get you into the endgame on a SSF budget. Sunder looks great damage-wise but its hard to gauge how impactful the wave speed is going to be. Melees problem has never been pure numbers, its always damage application. Thats why you can roll a 1mil dps Cleave build with Champ defense on a Terminus Est. Thats why the preferred choices for melee are Earthshatter/Earthquake, Rage Vortex and Lightning Strike.
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Aug 13, 2022 14:31
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this is gonna be ranger league for me. whats a good ranger league start. eventually i want to end up doing some kind of tshot poison with sniper's mark shenanigans. so i guess i could start with the ole caustic arrow and toxic rain combo?
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Aug 13, 2022 14:42
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As was mentioned above, you can fly through the campaign with spectral helix. Cuastic/TR still works too yeah also PCONC
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Aug 13, 2022 14:45
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Elentor posted:You need to be invested into something to complaint about the most trivial stuff in it. If I start playing a game just now and don't like it and leave a review of it it will certainly be about broad strokes, not a cynical one-off about some minor thing they added this patch I didn't even get to see. Oh no, I get that. I just see the insanely melodramatic "GGG can't even make a fun game" kind of comments from people who've played like addicts for at least 3+ years to be kind of funny. Just quit my dude.
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Aug 13, 2022 15:10
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Alchemists mark is going to be my first new skill to use for sure .
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Aug 13, 2022 15:17
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FZeroRacer posted:like the people playing chieftain are gonna have more luck doing totems or fire convert reap than they are slams. if you want to do slams, maybe it's better to pick an ascendancy class that is meant for melee slams, and not the totems/caster ascendancy with one bad slam-flavored node (that doesn't work with any of the synergies you'd use if you went for a slam build).
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Aug 13, 2022 15:22
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Ignite slam may work with that new mark Probably not.
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Aug 13, 2022 15:27
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Lol jungroan is pushing an ice trap inquis for his league starter, using the new sunblast belt. But man it looks like it'll be nearly EA levels of delayed damage since the belt makes your traps detonate after one second, and enemies can't trigger them. So you toss, wait for trap to land, arm, wait one second, then it donates. Meanwhile you're already a screen away.
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Aug 13, 2022 15:37
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queeb posted:Lol jungroan is pushing an ice trap inquis for his league starter, using the new sunblast belt. But man it looks like it'll be nearly EA levels of delayed damage since the belt makes your traps detonate after one second, and enemies can't trigger them. I predict the build feels like poo poo. Traps already suffer from throw time + trigger, and adding roughly .5 - 1s to that is going to be brutal. If you watch people clear high tier maps with mines, they throw in front of themselves and detonate as they go. This build will do something similar, except all the enemies will still be alive when you walk through them.
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Aug 13, 2022 15:40
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ES zerker was not useless this league either!Wuxi posted:I never do the league mechanic until at least Foothills, probably maps. Campaign is quick and relatively painless as it is and stopping for basically anything is just a waste of time for me same
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Aug 13, 2022 15:48
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Reiterpallasch posted:CF champion is a lot less rare-dependent and stronger at lower budgets I think unless the unique item changes make haemophilia expensive somehow, and then you can respec into gladiator if you decide you want to push the build to much higher gear levels. Any chance you got a link to a build guide? Not seeing it on the usual aggregators.
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Aug 13, 2022 15:52
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Jinnigan posted:is there a good guide on running heists for profit. i like heist well enough that i might do it this league but i don't think i do it in a way that builds up blueprints or anything like that fast https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qlxYuPC71_wjdkewnpamYEr_wTeGXNEZodjOB-MwGxM/edit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRcEQwUGxq0
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Aug 13, 2022 15:54
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FZeroRacer posted:* drop the fortify node (if you're pure melee like this build you can have perma fortify through the mastery) and get Adrenaline. there are multiple ways to trigger Adrenaline and it's a massive DPS boost All the dangerous stuff in the game are tuned around Fortify falling off, as well as other buffs you can't self-sustain. Perma-Fortify is very strong.
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Aug 13, 2022 15:59
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Benson Cunningham posted:I predict the build feels like poo poo. Traps already suffer from throw time + trigger, and adding roughly .5 - 1s to that is going to be brutal.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:01
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That new mark with focal point seems almost too good to be true.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:05
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sunder feels like a better 2nd character after league start, because trade will have the helmet enchant and the alt quality gem more available (and you'll have the cash) to further increase the wave speed. the base 60% buff plus another 30% sounds good on paper
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Aug 13, 2022 16:07
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External Organs posted:If you don't wipe to the fire fury on The Coast are you even living
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Aug 13, 2022 16:15
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Larry Parrish posted:im not an expert but it seems like the real reason melee will suck I think it's just the inherent disadvantage melee has in almost every RPG type, and is exaggerated in ARPGs. It's a lot easier to stay alive (esp in a game as one-shot-with-no-explanation heavy as POE) when you don't have to be near the boss. Melee is fun though, so every now and again, I get suckered back into it. Jinnigan posted:is there a good guide on running heists for profit. i like heist well enough that i might do it this league but i don't think i do it in a way that builds up blueprints or anything like that fast I played with this a little last league. People have already linked some good guides, but the TLDR is: - Run deception contracts (quickest to earn blueprint reveals, plus stacked decks to sell) - Reveal unusual gems blueprints (4 wings preferred) - Reveal div and currency rooms (others might be good depending on the league, and once you get a feel for how many rooms you can deal with) - Price check the alt qualities (or look at poe.ninja gems for which ones are above the 5c/10c mark or whatever) - Regading lenses are good too I only did it for a few hours - I just found it so goddamn boring. But even then, with my extremely sub-optimal play, there was no doubt it was a money maker. Decent gems/lenses, by POE drop rate standards, aren't that uncommon - but the content is so much a loving snooze fest that (comparatively) no one will do it.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:15
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Elentor posted:All the dangerous stuff in the game are tuned around Fortify falling off, as well as other buffs you can't self-sustain. Perma-Fortify is very strong. in most scenarios dropping a support gem for fortify and picking up first to strike or conqueror should result in you dealing more dps or being tankier. previously the issue was that generating fortification stacks for most builds is a PITA due to the dumb rear end ailment calculations they tied it to (fixed by doubling stacks gained on hit, to be seen how well that works in practice) and stacks falling off too quickly both of which should be far better now. and also important to note that first to strike and conqueror are both reduced damage straight up, while fortify is reduced damage from hits. as damage over time is more of an issue than ever having something that helps mitigate that is huge too.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:16
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Fortitude is unconditional and the biggest chunk of defense you have. Its unconditional less damage from hits, reduced DoT taken, armour/evasion and attack speed. Every other form of defense champ has (besides Inspirational) is conditional and way way worse. You never die when you are prepared and ready, you die when you aren't and Fortitude means you are always more prepared. If other defenses can't provide the same they are worse, no matter how big their numbers are.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:37
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Wuxi posted:Fortitude is unconditional and the biggest chunk of defense you have. Its unconditional less damage from hits, reduced DoT taken, armour/evasion and attack speed. Every other form of defense champ has (besides Inspirational) is conditional and way way worse. You never die when you are prepared and ready, you die when you aren't and Fortitude means you are always more prepared.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:38
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They changed fortification to be less damage taken from hits alone, but in return they added ways to get more of it, so you can get like 25+% less damage taken from hits which is huge. Or you can spend skill points on making it worse to get it somewhere else than your own ascendancy I guess
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Aug 13, 2022 16:41
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an iksar marauder posted:They changed fortification to be less damage taken from hits alone, but in return they added ways to get more of it, so you can get like 25+% less damage taken from hits which is huge. Or you can spend skill points on making it worse to get it somewhere else than your own ascendancy I guess
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Aug 13, 2022 16:45
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FZeroRacer posted:it's not reduced DoT taken. fortification is very specifically less damage taken from hits. dots are not hits. You always use the Fortification mastery.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:48
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FZeroRacer posted:if you're expecting to get more fortification stacks then you need a way to generate fortification. champion's ascendancy gives you 20 fortify, not max fortify. so if you're focusing on a build that involves getting beyond 20 fortify champ's node is already somewhat redundant since you're baked in fortify generation elsewhere. I use the overlord cluster node because it doesn't come with the -3 fort penalty. But it has a weapon type restriction. It's less focusing on going beyond 20 and more taking perma-fort so all the conditional mods are always on. it's IMO the way to go, also the extra fort effect you pick up from the small asc nodes is nice. when I play melee I mainly play slams
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Aug 13, 2022 16:53
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Wuxi posted:You always use the Fortification mastery. still, i'm convinced that with the fortify generation changes it's better off to invest the ascendancy points elsewhere and move some of the tree points into the reworked Steadfast wheel. it's hard for me to think of any fights where you can't maintain full fortification if each stack lasts 17s.
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