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Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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I'm gonna go ahead and bet that Ebert's defense was "it's engaging and very watchable" and Ted Rall expected him to prove that argument while only being able to articulate his own as "it's boring and unwatchable."

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Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Rupert Buttermilk posted:

But that's not what he's saying, at least in that comic (I don't know if this guy's full discussion with Ebert is written about anywhere else).

Guy: Citizen Kane is boring, and is unwatchable now
Ebert: You're wrong.
Guy: Ok, why am I wrong?
Ebert: It's historically significant.
Guy: I'm not saying it's not, I just think it's boring and unwatchable.
Ebert: Well, you're wrong.
.... And the whole thing goes on again and again.

Oh, I see the problem here. You're unfamiliar with Ted Rall. You're giving a hypothetical stranger the benefit of the doubt. That's usually a very noble thing to do!
Ted Rall had an illustrated autobiography where he told the artist to write down that this happened. He was too much of a visionary to live off of political cartooning, so he had to become a male prostitute whose clients were all supermodels who wanted to top him off.

Just as a random example of what he says about himself and his life.

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

ted lol

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Roger Ebert ranked 'The Wedding Singer' as one of the worst movies ever made so chew on that for a minute.

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape
I watched Kung pow last night


That movie has no subtle moments

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Jestery posted:

I watched Kung pow last night


That movie has no subtle moments
What did Roger Ebert think though? :v:

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
In Kung Pow, they deliberately trained Wimp Lo wrong as a joke.

Olaf The Stout
Oct 16, 2009

FORUMS NO.1 SLEEPY DAWGS MEMESTER

Milo and POTUS posted:

They just give those away

Oh? did you get one?

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Krinkle posted:

Oh, I see the problem here. You're unfamiliar with Ted Rall. You're giving a hypothetical stranger the benefit of the doubt. That's usually a very noble thing to do!
Ted Rall had an illustrated autobiography where he told the artist to write down that this happened. He was too much of a visionary to live off of political cartooning, so he had to become a male prostitute whose clients were all supermodels who wanted to top him off.

Just as a random example of what he says about himself and his life.

Oh.

Wow.

CityMidnightJunky
May 11, 2013

by Smythe
Ebert was really good at judging a film by what it was trying to be. He'd give a really good popcorn movie a good review because he was judging it as a popcorn movie, not against Schindler's List.

I appreciate this every time I go into the Cinema Discusso thread and see people calling Avengers badly written and mediocre. Those films are exactly what they want to be and they're really good at it, and that's fine.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Krispy Wafer posted:

Roger Ebert ranked 'The Wedding Singer' as one of the worst movies ever made so chew on that for a minute.

I wouldn't say it's the worst movie ever, but most of the jokes are "This is a thing that happened in the 80s that's only funny because we can look back on what happened afterwards" like when he tells his ex-girlfriend to take off her Van Halen shirt before the band breaks up.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

It's not like people saying Citizen Kane is boring today is a rare opinion though.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
Yeah, but those people are wrong.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

I don't think it's nice, you laughing.
Both Siskel and Ebert often had odd opinions on movies that are well regarded as good or even classic these days. I also pick up that neither had a really strong technical appreciation for film and often missed a lot of subtext.

Generally though at least one of them was right about the film, its the ones they both hated that were generally crap.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
I remember Howard Stern clowning on Ebert years ago for giving Godfather II three stars.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Ebert was wrong all the time but usually did a very good job of communicating his thoughts.

Here's one of my favorite reviews he wrote, about night of the living dead
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-night-of-the-living-dead-1968


ebert posted:

The kids in the audience were stunned. There was almost complete silence. The movie had stopped being delightfully scary about halfway through, and had become unexpectedly terrifying. There was a little girl across the aisle from me, maybe nine years old, who was sitting very still in her seat and crying.

I don't think the younger kids really knew what hit them. They were used to going to movies, sure, and they'd seen some horror movies before, sure, but this was something else. This was ghouls eating people up -- and you could actually see what they were eating. This was little girls killing their mothers. This was being set on fire. Worst of all, even the hero got killed.

It's hard to remember what sort of effect this movie might have had on you when you were six or seven. But try to remember. At that age, kids take the events on the screen seriously, and they identify fiercely with the hero. When the hero is killed, that's not an unhappy ending but a tragic one: Nobody got out alive. It's just over, that's all.

I felt real terror in that neighborhood theater last Saturday afternoon. I saw kids who had no resources they could draw upon to protect themselves from the dread and fear they felt.

Censorship isn't the answer to something like this. Censorship is never the answer. For that matter, "Night of the Living Dead" was passed for general audiences by the Chicago Police Censor Board. Since it had no nudity in it, it was all right for kids, I guess. This is another example, and there have been a lot of them, of the incompetence and stupidity of the censorship system that Chicago stubbornly maintains under political patronage.

Censorship is not the answer. But I would be ashamed to make a civil libertarian argument defending the "right" of those little girls and boys to see a film which left a lot of them stunned with terror. In a case like this, I'd want to know what the parents were thinking of when they dumped the kids in front of the theater to see a film titled "Night of the Living Dead."

The new Code of Self Regulation, recently adopted by the Motion Picture Assn. of American, would presumably restrict a film like this one to mature audiences. But "Night of the Living Dead" was produced before the MPAA code went into effect, so exhibitors technically weren't required to keep the kids out.

I supposed the idea was to make a fast buck before movies like this are off-limits to children. Maybe that's why "Night of the Living Dead" was scheduled for the lucrative holiday season, when the kids are on vacation. Maybe that's it, but I don't know how I could explain it to the kids who left the theater with tears in their eyes.

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Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

mastershakeman posted:

Ebert was wrong all the time but usually did a very good job of communicating his thoughts.

Here's one of my favorite reviews he wrote, about night of the living dead
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-night-of-the-living-dead-1968

I like to think there are different kinds of horror movies, and that NotLD, Dawn, and even Day are examples of True Horror, where the result is kind of a deep existential sickness at the thought of the situation, that dead bodies are actually slowly, inexorably coming after you, rather than the jump-scares you get with their remakes and most other horror movies. You get some of this from Terminator as well.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Sorry to add to the S&K derail, but one of my favourite moments was when they were arguing about The Lost World: Jurassic Park, and Siskel was trying to logic in having a compy as a real pet, and Ebert wasn't having any of it. After some super dumb point made by Siskel, trying to defend his position, Ebert just takes one perfect beat, turns to the camera, and either introduces the next film or goes to commercial, I can't remember.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Plus, the guy had an unabashed love of tits. He'd specifically mention giving it a better review if the movie had nice ones. I mean, there might be some problems with that in the women's liberation sense, but it's pretty funny to me.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I've read before that Ebert's whole thing is that he tried to engage with movies on their own terms and rate them by what they're trying to do, while a lot of other critics just basically have one ideal of what a movie is meant to be and don't bother even trying to engage with anything else.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Contact. It's the first shot of the drat trailer. Someone whos job is to listen to poo poo has her headphones backwards (left and right channel). It one of my eternal small things that annoy me:

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Do you actually have a pair of those headphones to check? Because i wear mine the same way (minus the upside down thing). The right channel is the one with the cable coming out of it.

Greggster
Aug 14, 2010

HenryEx posted:

Do you actually have a pair of those headphones to check? Because i wear mine the same way (minus the upside down thing). The right channel is the one with the cable coming out of it.

I have a pair of those and the cable is on the left speaker.

NtotheTC
Dec 31, 2007


the worst part is the sound will come out upside down.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe
She's a SETI researcher, so listening to the raw-rear end signal fresh off the antenna is probably less dumb than it would be for a normal radioastronomer, but I'd guess it's in mono anyway

Croatoan
Jun 24, 2005

I am inevitable.
ROBBLE GROBBLE

NtotheTC posted:

the worst part is the sound will come out upside down.

Nahh man she was at the parkes observatory in Australia so that's how she had to wear them.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

always strange to me when a reviewer doesn't simply print The Truth instead of their thoughts and opinions but that's media I guess

freeedr
Feb 21, 2005

Why would it matter what ear the sound is going into

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av

freeedr posted:

Why would it matter what ear the sound is going into

Ah gently caress you’ve summoned audiophiles into the thread

Time to shut it down & start fresh

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
I wasn't crazy about the Halloween 2018 movie but there were some cool callbacks in it.

The masks from Halloween 3 on some trick or treaters, the framing of Michael when he shows up at the stairway leading to the basement bunker, Laurie Strode "stalking" her grand daughter outside the school, the escaped mental patients wandering around after the bus crash, Laurie searching through the wooden slat closet.

there were more I think but I've only seen it once.

Oh, yeah, there was a shot of Laurie laying on the ground as Myers looks down from a balcony that reversed and echoed the final scene of Loomis looking down after he shoots Michael.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


freeedr posted:

Why would it matter what ear the sound is going into

I was wondering the same thing. I don't know the context of the picture but unless you're listening to something like a movie or game where you're supposed to hear things on the right side of the screen on the right side why would it matter?

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen

Humphreys posted:

Contact. It's the first shot of the drat trailer. Someone whos job is to listen to poo poo has her headphones backwards (left and right channel). It one of my eternal small things that annoy me:



Ellie didn't want to take off her festive hat, so she was forced to wear her headphones like a dolt.

RoyKeen
Jul 24, 2007

Grimey Drawer

Len posted:

I was wondering the same thing. I don't know the context of the picture but unless you're listening to something like a movie or game where you're supposed to hear things on the right side of the screen on the right side why would it matter?

If the hi-hat isn’t on the left it bothers me.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

freeedr posted:

Why would it matter what ear the sound is going into

NtotheTC posted:

the worst part is the sound will come out upside down.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I'm watching toy story 3 and I noticed that Woody still had the extra stuffing in his right arm from after Andy's mom sewed him back up. Nice bit of visual continuity there.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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The Ape of Naples posted:

If the hi-hat isn’t on the left it bothers me.

:same:

I can't fathom people who pan drums from the audience's perspective instead of the drummer's.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


HenryEx posted:

Do you actually have a pair of those headphones to check? Because i wear mine the same way (minus the upside down thing). The right channel is the one with the cable coming out of it.

I do. And you can even see the blue denoting left channel. As I said, it's one tiny small thing that really shouldnt matter. It gets me every time I use those headphones, stupid brain.

RoyKeen
Jul 24, 2007

Grimey Drawer

Baron von Eevl posted:

:same:

I can't fathom people who pan drums from the audience's perspective instead of the drummer's.

I am hosed when I record left hand drummers.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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The Ape of Naples posted:

I am hosed when I record left hand drummers.

Try listening to any of the Melvins albums they did with the guys from Big Business. 2 drummers, one lefty and one righty, sharing the floor toms.

edit I'm trying to think of an overheard mic setup for that. I'm thinking sort of like XY but with 3 mics, one each pointed like 110 degrees apart and one straight down

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CityMidnightJunky
May 11, 2013

by Smythe
Rewatching The Matrix. I never noticed before the parallels between Neo's first meeting with Morpheus, and his first meeting with Smith. They're both sitting directly opposite him, and Smith is giving Neo the exact same choice Morpheus does with the pills. 'In one life you're Thomas Anderson, in another you're Neo. One of these lives has a future, the other does not'.

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