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Jan 13, 2008




Although vinyl is really flat.

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

NaanViolence posted:

I understand why most of ya'll have fishmech on ignore now. He's not only always wrong, he also wastes way too many words on being wrong!

First of all, great of you to misgender me. Second of all, why do you do you disbelieve well established science on vinyl capabilities vs digital?

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

NaanViolence posted:

I understand why most of ya'll have fishmech on ignore now. He's not only always wrong, he also wastes way too many words on being wrong!

Okay but have you considered the fact that just saying someone is wrong without giving a reason is actually the worst kind of shitposting? Like way worse than anything you're accusing fishmech of doing (which I guess is just posting a thing you disagree with in too much detail?)

Owling Howl
Jul 17, 2019
Posting about the people you’re ignoring is equal parts self-defeating and impotently passive aggressive.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib


(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

NaanViolence posted:

I understand why most of ya'll have fishmech on ignore now. He's not only always wrong, he also wastes way too many words on being wrong!

There’s also a large amount of idiots trolling every fishmech post without giving any indications what the problem is. So, can you point out what exactly was wrong with that post?

Vinyl is stupid.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

JustJeff88 posted:

This discussion is fascinating to me, because given the high population density in Japan, small houses/flats and high internet speeds, I would think that it would be all digital all the bloody time and that physical... anything, really, would be all clutter in limited space. I live in a spacious, if overpriced, apartment and if even a fraction of my game library were still on physical media I would be hosed.

It’s not universal - I don’t think Japanese people are buying loads of furniture for example. Also none of them own dryers judging by all the laundry hanging out to dry even in mid-tokyo despite being one of the most advanced nations on earth.

Also manga. They read a lot of manga on their phones (at least on metro) so they do consume digital media. In fact physical magazine and manga sales are falling in Japan - even as CD sales remain steady.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/12/26/national/magazine-sales-japan-fall-short-book-sales-first-time-41-years/

In other words...Japan is a land of weird contrasts.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 24 hours!
Might just be an Australian thing but I find it weird to assume someone hanging washing out to dry must not own a dryer. Saves on power and in warmer weather it'll be pretty fast.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Might just be an Australian thing but I find it weird to assume someone hanging washing out to dry must not own a dryer. Saves on power and in warmer weather it'll be pretty fast.

Not just an Australian thing. But the US has some weird stigma against hanging laundry out to dry, with some local HOAs even having ordinances against it.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Might just be an Australian thing but I find it weird to assume someone hanging washing out to dry must not own a dryer. Saves on power and in warmer weather it'll be pretty fast.

Every airbnb I have ever stayed at in Asia has never had a dryer. Everyone I know who lives in Asia also doesn’t own a dryer. Small sample size I know but I just don’t think its seen as a necessary appliance.

Now that I think about it, Europe was the same way.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

Solaris 2.0 posted:

Every airbnb I have ever stayed at in Asia has never had a dryer. Everyone I know who lives in Asia also doesn’t own a dryer. Small sample size I know but I just don’t think its seen as a necessary appliance.

Now that I think about it, Europe was the same way.

Dryers are plenty common in Europe, but certainly seen as a luxury, not a necessity.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006
Post war dryers were a class signifier in America, ergo everyone had to have them and now its just baked into the system that hanging laundry is for the plebs. Growing up we had a clothes line in our backyard because it was always hot as gently caress so why not use it, but also had a dryer. Besides my grandparents who did the same, I have never known anyone else who used a clothesline with the exception of one Asian family.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

Dameius posted:

Post war dryers were a class signifier in America, ergo everyone had to have them and now its just baked into the system that hanging laundry is for the plebs. Growing up we had a clothes line in our backyard because it was always hot as gently caress so why not use it, but also had a dryer. Besides my grandparents who did the same, I have never known anyone else who used a clothesline with the exception of one Asian family.

Hanging clothes certainly disperses less micro plastics out that little hole in the wall where the dryer vent goes.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Lambert posted:

Dryers are plenty common in Europe, but certainly seen as a luxury, not a necessity.

Except they mostly aren’t vented so it’s less a clothes dryer and more a clothes steamer, in my experience.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever
I live in a 3rd story walk-up flat and rent a washer & dryer from a company. Hanging my drying up is definitely not an option for me, especially as I wash all of my dirty linen as well as clothes every week. I literally cannot think of where I would put it.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
I'm America it also just looks poor to hang clothes, do in many places it's actually illegal.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

PT6A posted:

Except they mostly aren’t vented so it’s less a clothes dryer and more a clothes steamer, in my experience.

This depends, vented used to be the most common. Nowadays, unvented are super common because they're way more efficient. If it's maintained well (need to clean out the filters about every half year), they work just fine.

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



Dameius posted:

Post war dryers were a class signifier in America, ergo everyone had to have them and now its just baked into the system that hanging laundry is for the plebs. Growing up we had a clothes line in our backyard because it was always hot as gently caress so why not use it, but also had a dryer. Besides my grandparents who did the same, I have never known anyone else who used a clothesline with the exception of one Asian family.

we had clotheslines in upstate new york. We had a dryer though we just saved money by not running it.

Morbus
May 18, 2004

HootTheOwl posted:

I'm America...poor...[;] it's actually illegal.

Checks out

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

In Canada it's never consistently warm enough to hang out drying so the dryer becomes something of a necessity

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

What did Canadians do before the creation of the drying machine?

anyway some shitbird living in Phoenix sure as hell doesn't need a dryer

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

QuarkJets posted:

What did Canadians do before the creation of the drying machine?

anyway some shitbird living in Phoenix sure as hell doesn't need a dryer

Simple just dont wash them

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
Laundromats are actually safe in Canada.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever
My mum in the upper midwest used to have a drying line when I was younger. She eventually bought a dryer as well, which he still has to do this day (they do *not* make them like they used to), but she would on nice days still hang clothes up sometimes for the airy, pleasant smell even after buying the dryer up until she had to take the posts down.

In continental Europe, dryers are often a luxury due to higher electricity costs and limited space. In Britain, if memory serves that is, they were more ubiquitous. At the very least, I can't remember *not* having one as a boy. I rent a washer & dryer now and it is very much worth it. Taking washing out to me is such a chore; call me "spoiled" if you like. I once did some research and, factoring in the cost of my own electricity and the high cost of per-load coin washing, I pay about $22-$25 per month. That is very much worth it to me so that I don't have to take my dirty pants out in public and sit bored in the communal laundry room while I wait for them to finish. I would like to think that my time is worth something, surely.

Big K of Justice
Nov 27, 2005

Anyone seen my ball joints?

QuarkJets posted:

What did Canadians do before the creation of the drying machine?

anyway some shitbird living in Phoenix sure as hell doesn't need a dryer

When I lived in Northern Newfoundland, I'd help grandma hang laundry outdoors using clothespins. a bunch of 1x3 wood poles and nylon rope and it was faster/more efficient to dry out 3-4 bedrooms worth of sheets/linens than using the dryer they had at the time. Even when it wasn't so hot/warm out. A lot of folks were doing this in the mid '80s. On a more recent trip, no one bothers, everyone has a decent dryer.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 24 hours!
I'm starting to see why Australia invented the rotary clothesline, because apparently everyone else in the world has cultural trauma about drying clothes.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Scaramouche posted:

In Canada it's never consistently warm enough to hang out drying so the dryer becomes something of a necessity

You can hang clothes to dry indoors, you know*. If anything it's beneficial in the winter when indoor air is usually dry.

* As long as you don't live in a shoebox, anyway.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm starting to see why Australia invented the rotary clothesline, because apparently everyone else in the world has cultural trauma about drying clothes.

My current state had to pass a loving "Right to Dry" law in 2015 because of how many idiot landlords and HOAs banned drying racks and clotheslines, even inside your unit. Even then, it still permits landlords and HOAs to restrict how long your clothes can be seen drying on it and what hours of the day you're permitted to use it.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm starting to see why Australia invented the rotary clothesline, because apparently everyone else in the world has cultural trauma about drying clothes.

And now they are dying off as people don't have backyards big enough for them.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
This is a retails collapse thing and a company CTD thing

I needed a new keyboard so I stopped by the local Fry's.



They had one open box keyboard for over $125.

I checked out a few other parts of the store. No mice, three spindles of blu-rays, one security camera kit, almost no porn. And lots of generic non-elecronic crap that nobody ever buys.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
Surely there's a truck arriving tomorrow morning that will fully replenish those bare shelves

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
You can now listen to Kmart's background music on archive.org: https://archive.org/details/attentionkmartshoppers

If you want to jump right into the muzak action: https://archive.org/details/KmartOctober1989

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

The user that contributed the recordings on vinyl in that collection also uploaded a series of videos that are Kmart training slide shows from the early 60s combined with the audio from the vinyl records that would have originally accompanied them: https://archive.org/details/@theugster?sort=creatorSorter

This one is my favorite and it's a shame that the mascot featured in it has been completely forgotten: https://archive.org/details/S.S.KresgeTraining-YoullLoveKatyKresgesThriftyChargePlan/YLK1080p

Lambert posted:

If you want to jump right into the muzak action: https://archive.org/details/KmartOctober1989

This audio file is listed as Vaporwave and I agree with that, I can't think of any other business that radiates Dead Mall Energy the same way that Kmart does.

zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Oct 21, 2019

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Lambert posted:

Not just an Australian thing. But the US has some weird stigma against hanging laundry out to dry, with some local HOAs even having ordinances against it.

There's pretty good chunks of the US where it just doesn't work well much of the year. There's maybe four months out of the year here where you can leave the washing out and it won't be frozen or still wet here, assuming you have the time to hang around the house while it dries out there in the first place.

Dryers make the logistics a hell of a lot easier.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Oct 21, 2019

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
Plenty of people that hang their clothes indoors over here, in houses usually in the room where the central heater is.

Stevefin
Sep 30, 2013

Australian here and have a dryer, only used if it was raining.

And it has not been raining much anymore so barely gets used

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
That KMart thing is one of the reasons I love the internet.

sauer kraut
Oct 2, 2004

RandomPauI posted:

This is a retails collapse thing and a company CTD thing

I needed a new keyboard so I stopped by the local Fry's.



They had one open box keyboard for over $125.

I checked out a few other parts of the store. No mice, three spindles of blu-rays, one security camera kit, almost no porn. And lots of generic non-elecronic crap that nobody ever buys.

It's an open secret that Fry's is just trying to make it to Black Friday before they lock the doors. They haven't gotten new stock in half a year or so.
Not sure they'll make it that long though :unsmith:

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006
Just stopped by the Fry's near me and it was not empty empty but they have pulled basically every other isle so I think it is more illusion than anything. It looks exactly the same as it did since the early aughts when I first started coming around. They even have grunge and 80s rock playing to an empty store and the demo game running on their PCs is Half Life 2 of all things.

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Morbus
May 18, 2004

It's an open secret that their vendors are basically not delivering anymore due to non-payment issues. I'd be surprised if they last another month.

They are privately owned and own a lot of their property, which is probably the only reason they've managed to circle the drain as long as they have.

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