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Minidust posted:hahahaha that really does seem more and more silly in retrospect. The main-event protection in 1996 was ridiculous. Even Cena takes a bunch of falls in a modern-day iron man match. Well, when you have Shawn Michaels throwing bitchfits, and Bret Hart being a mark for himself...
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There was nothing wrong with the HBK/Bret Iron Man match having only one fall that came AFTER the sixty minutes was up, it added a tremendous amount of drama to the match. The problem is that it pretty much ruined any and all REPLAY value the match might have had, because knowing ahead of time that you're in for sixty minutes of wrestling with no pinfalls occurring completely removes any and all sense of drama or suspense, and very few people would want to watch the match in its entirety knowing that it will effectively be a waste of time. When it originally aired though? That must have been insanely suspenseful and dramatic seeing the time running out and nobody having a pinfall.
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Jerusalem posted:There was nothing wrong with the HBK/Bret Iron Man match having only one fall that came AFTER the sixty minutes was up, it added a tremendous amount of drama to the match.
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I think I have worthwhile questions. 1) Does 40 man RR stay that way or is this a one-shot? 2) If it's not a one-shot, how long will it take before a man in the top 5 makes it all the way? I think it'll stay 40 man for the foreseeable future and it'll take at least 3 years for someone to make it from the first 5, provided WWE doesn't cop out and throw Cena in at 1 and OVERCOMES THE ODDS this year.
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ToiletLaw posted:Here's a dumb question: This question got overlooked, so I will attempt to answer it with the zero knowledge that I have. I remember seeing one of those WWE roundtables where someone mentioned that Angle and Lesnar, I think it was, were really eager about showing off their amateur wrestling prowess, though I think it was more in the form of a semi-dickwaving contest during their downtime on the road. As far as "showing the other guy who's boss", that would just be the result of an accomplished amateur with a superiority complex (like Terry Funk felt about Lou Thesz) who just wanted to embarrass the other guy. As far as two amateurs, assuming that amateur wrestlers are in general intensely competitive (this is a safe assumption I believe), it is also safe to assume that they do do a little shooting just for fun, as long as it doesn't impede with the flow of the match.
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Has a tag team ever used something like this as a finisher? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpZod3eDpZ4&feature=related Supplemental: A tag team should totally use that as a finisher.
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cucka posted:throw Cena in at 1 and OVERCOMES THE ODDS this year. Oh god, they're going to do this, aren't they? 
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Pneub posted:Has a tag team ever used something like this as a finisher? http://www.youtube.com/bustauppa#p/u/28/fL1T_UwJCV4&t=4m54s
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Is the puro backstage scene the same as it is here in America? I've never heard any stories of Antonio Inoki writing bad checks, Great Sasuke making GBS threads in people's bags or Chono doing rails off some ring rats rear end crack. Also what happened to New Japan? I watched for a bit back in the late 90's and it appeared to be insanely popular. Did they semi-emulate their former American working buddies in WCW and failcascade? I know they are still in business, but what the hell happened? NJPW appears so bush league compared to what I used to watch.
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Everything being run by the yakuza probably meant that it was either run well or people who complained ended up dead.
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George Kaplan posted:Oh god, they're going to do this, aren't they? Probably not.
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I watched the Punk/Cena match and it was the first bit of wwe i've watched for a while - why is the crowd so quiet? Is the sound rigging changed or is it because the match sucks?
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The crowd was surprisingly vocal last night. Depending on how long it's been since you've watched wrestling though, crowds are generally just a lot more consistently quiet now than they were during the Attitude era. My favorite thing about last night's crowd was the applause during the Morrison/Bryan standoff. I like it when WWE audiences show approval for good wrestling. Sugar Blaster fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 18, 2011 |
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Karmine posted:Probably not. Punk wins EC, Punk v. Cena at WM.
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Jerusalem posted:When it originally aired though? That must have been insanely suspenseful and dramatic seeing the time running out and nobody having a pinfall. Speaking as someone who was a huge Shawn Michaels mark in 96, it was insanely suspenseful. I was so ridiculously disappointed when the time ran out, and then completely overjoyed when Gorilla called for overtime.
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Perry Normal posted:Speaking as someone who was a huge Shawn Michaels mark in 96, it was insanely suspenseful. I was so ridiculously disappointed when the time ran out, and then completely overjoyed when Gorilla called for overtime.
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Jerusalem posted:There was nothing wrong with the HBK/Bret Iron Man match having only one fall that came AFTER the sixty minutes was up, it added a tremendous amount of drama to the match. I agree, just pointing it out. Although, making it an Iron Man match vs. just making it a singles match with a 60-minute time limit really made no difference in this case.
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Felony posted:Is the puro backstage scene the same as it is here in America? I've never heard any stories of Antonio Inoki writing bad checks, Great Sasuke making GBS threads in people's bags or Chono doing rails off some ring rats rear end crack. Business in Japan is way way way down these days compared to even a decade ago. I don't know the full story of when New Japan really started to fall, but I imagine Antonio Inoki booking his biggest stars in matches against MMA guys in SHOOT FIGHTS hurt a lot. I imagine lack of new heavyweight stars around in other companies doesn't help much either.
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HulkaMatt posted:Business in Japan is way way way down these days compared to even a decade ago. I don't know the full story of when New Japan really started to fall, but I imagine Antonio Inoki booking his biggest stars in matches against MMA guys in SHOOT FIGHTS hurt a lot. On the other hand, it led to Don Frye vs. Takayama and that's the greatest thing in the history of forever.
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Pneub posted:Has a tag team ever used something like this as a finisher? Felony posted:or Chono doing rails off some ring rats rear end crack. Edit: Forgot, I have a question. I'm watching Summerslam 2010, what the hell is with Melina's outfit? She looks like Pocahauntus, was this some type of gimmick? Sue Denim fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jan 19, 2011 |
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Sue Denim posted:Who did this? I want to high five them. Everyone in ECW
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Jerusalem posted:There was nothing wrong with the HBK/Bret Iron Man match having only one fall that came AFTER the sixty minutes was up, it added a tremendous amount of drama to the match. I watched it live on PPV the night it aired, and I consider it one of the high points of my wrestling fandom. I was 14 and still in the "I'm pretty sure it's fake, but I'm not entirely convinced yet" stage of markdom. I was standing on the couch, yelling my head off through most of it. I haven't rewatched it, and I never will, because I know that it will never live up to my memory of the match.
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HulkaMatt posted:Business in Japan is way way way down these days compared to even a decade ago. I don't know the full story of when New Japan really started to fall, but I imagine Antonio Inoki booking his biggest stars in matches against MMA guys in SHOOT FIGHTS hurt a lot. Yea, I distinctly remember Hashimoto in a program with some "shoot" fighter in a white gi around the time I stopped watching. Inoki was his manager of sorts. I was not at all entertained by him or his matches.
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Do you want a pair of Zubaz? http://deals.woot.com/deals/go/177685d9-4e08-4aff-a0cd-d6fb5bb136ec
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Moose Bigelow posted:Do you want a pair of Zubaz? 
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Mr. Yuk posted:I watched it live on PPV the night it aired, and I consider it one of the high points of my wrestling fandom. I was 14 and still in the "I'm pretty sure it's fake, but I'm not entirely convinced yet" stage of markdom. I was standing on the couch, yelling my head off through most of it. I haven't rewatched it, and I never will, because I know that it will never live up to my memory of the match. I watched it again recently and it did not live up to my memories at all. Just mostly because Bret Hart is a very meat and potatoes wrestler.
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Moose Bigelow posted:Do you want a pair of Zubaz? These are actually making a comeback apparently, according to Australian Vogue.
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Being a giant HBK mark I found myself subliminally checking travel sites for trips to Atlanta last week. Then when the Hall of Fame tickets went on presale I picked one up "just to have-- I can always StubHub it if I end up not going." Needless to say, it looks like I'm going to the Hall of Fame this year (no Mania, I have a Monday morning class back in New York ). I want to make the most of the 18-20 hours I'll be spending in Atlanta, so I'm most likely going to ROH and Fan Axxess. According to WWE, Fan Axxess has three Saturday "sessions" and tickets are $35: Saturday, April 2: 8:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. Saturday, April 2: 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Saturday, April 2: 6:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m. Are they $35 each? Because it looks like I'd be around for the very end of the second one and half of the third, then run over to the Hall of Fame show. If that's going to cost $70 then no thanks.
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Bikeage posted:Being a giant HBK mark I found myself subliminally checking travel sites for trips to Atlanta last week. Then when the Hall of Fame tickets went on presale I picked one up "just to have-- I can always StubHub it if I end up not going." Needless to say, it looks like I'm going to the Hall of Fame this year (no Mania, I have a Monday morning class back in New York Usually each session has a different superstar, and when you buy a ticket you get signing time with that wrestler. I think they might have cheaper tickets, though, that don't include signing time. Unless I'm getting it confused and the more expensive tickets have signing time and the $35 is just GA. I don't see tickets up yet, so, not sure, either way.
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I'm watching nWo Souled Out '97 and I just realized, I have no idea who the nWo announcer is. Does anyone know who it was?
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UndergroundHero posted:I'm watching nWo Souled Out '97 and I just realized, I have no idea who the nWo announcer is. Does anyone know who it was? Ted Dibiase and Eric Bischoff?
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Mega GIRL posted:Ted Dibiase and Eric Bischoff? Oh no, I mean the ring announcer.
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El Duke posted:Usually each session has a different superstar, and when you buy a ticket you get signing time with that wrestler. I think they might have cheaper tickets, though, that don't include signing time. Unless I'm getting it confused and the more expensive tickets have signing time and the $35 is just GA. I don't see tickets up yet, so, not sure, either way. It's more than one superstar. I went to Summerslam Axxess and met Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase, Maryse and the Bellas, saw Evan Bourne, and got to talk to Howard Finkel while participating in an impressions contest. Which, I might add, I did NOT win, despite doing a very accurate impression of Rey Mysterio singing Happy Birthday to the Fink by getting on my knees and substituting the word "dawg" into the song repeatedy. They do have the more expensive tickets where you get to meet and greet the superstars too though - a friend spent $150 to talk to Rey for 5 minutes, I think. So, yes, the $35 is GA.
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dshban posted:It's more than one superstar. I went to Summerslam Axxess and met Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase, Maryse and the Bellas, saw Evan Bourne, and got to talk to Howard Finkel while participating in an impressions contest. Which, I might add, I did NOT win, despite doing a very accurate impression of Rey Mysterio singing Happy Birthday to the Fink by getting on my knees and substituting the word "dawg" into the song repeatedy. I saw the video. You should've won.
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UndergroundHero posted:Oh no, I mean the ring announcer. The mexican jumping bean
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dshban posted:It's more than one superstar. I went to Summerslam Axxess and met Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase, Maryse and the Bellas, saw Evan Bourne, and got to talk to Howard Finkel while participating in an impressions contest. Which, I might add, I did NOT win, despite doing a very accurate impression of Rey Mysterio singing Happy Birthday to the Fink by getting on my knees and substituting the word "dawg" into the song repeatedy. Yeah, I should have rephrased that. The more expensive ticket nets you signing/photo time with a specific main eventer. I know here for Summerslam the three slots were Edge/Orton/Mysterio. Though I think it was around $75, but of course, that's Summerslam. Didn't mean to present it like you only got signing time, and with one superstar, if you paid the higher price.
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What kind of ratings did WWF do on Saturday mornings, before Raw existed? I love the idea of Smackdown being on Saturday mornings, and I've been wondering if this is a retarded move from a business standpoint or if it's actually considered comparable to their current Friday night spot. I mean tons of kids watch TV on Saturday morning (or did? do they still? I don't really know!), and I'm sure a lot of people like me would just as soon watch it first-run on Saturday as they would DVR'd from Friday. So business-wise, would a change to Saturday morning be feasible or is being in Prime Time just too important? Minidust fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 20, 2011 |
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Minidust posted:What kind of ratings did WWF do on Saturday mornings, before Raw existed? I love the idea of Smackdown being on Saturday mornings, and I've been wondering if this is a retarded move from a business standpoint or if it's actually considered comparable to their current Friday night spot. I mean tons of kids watch TV on Saturday morning (or did? do they still? I don't really know!), and I'm sure a lot of people like me would just as soon watch it first-run on Saturday as they would DVR'd from Friday. In old Observers it seems like that stuff usually did high 1s. However, less people are watching TV on Saturday mornings than at prime time and it is a much less valuable time for advertising dollars. (Also keep in mind that far less people had cable TV in the 90s than now so a high one in the 90s would be a low one now.) I can't imagine any station would pay $30 million a year for a show on Saturday mornings that they could easily put in primetime.
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After seeing some discussion in the WWE thread about Smackdown being the B show and all that it's had me wondering.. aren't these shows sort of a ratings vicious cycle type thing? They consider Raw the A show, Smackdown the B show, Superstars the C show and I'm assuming NXT is last on the totem pole. Your main event stars aren't seen on shows like Superstars all that often due to it being beneath them - but doesn't that create a situation where people skip Superstars for the very reason that their favorite guys aren't going to be wrestling or appear? I'd assume that they want every one of their shows being as highly rated as they can be, so why attach the "not important enough" stigma to shows by not having the main guys appear on them? Being that they're taped the same time as Smackdown or before Raw airs why not have your main guys have appearances that will only air on Superstars or NXT? I guess I've never understood why any show really needs to be a C or D show quality-wise when the guys that are the main draws for Raw or Smackdown are already in the arena. Instead we've got Regal v Darren Young four or five weeks in a row as the main event or whatever. Not that Regal isn't awesome but having a short John Cena match or a Randy Orton appearance or whatever other superface that the younger fans follow do something exclusive to those shows might bring ratings up over time. Edit: It never made sense to me with WCW either. You'd have all your main event guys who thought they were too important for Thunder (after the first few weeks) or Saturday Night (The Mothership!) and people probably eventually caught onto the fact that their favorite guys weren't going to appear. Orange Carlisle fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Jan 20, 2011 |
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