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The libs are actively creaming their jeans over the DSA harassment policy, as they can now "turn us in to the boss," not realizing it's an internal bylaw that pertains to members and is dealt with locally. https://twitter.com/grandoftwo/status/894200843062452224
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Last Buffalo posted:Maybe if you insist on discussing Israel only as a state that's pure evil, then the logical end of the conversation is that Israel shouldn't exist. And if that's the rhetoric that you stand behind, then you can't really claim you're pushing some sort of peace process or really any actual political option that benefits the Palestinians. You're arguing for something that practically will not happen in the foreseeable future, and very likely avoiding understanding the finer politics of the situation. It's glib, and isn't really an honest attempt to confront the horror that is the occupation. I support the dissolution of the state of Israel, refugee status for all residents who wish to leave, and non-intervention in the following formation of a Palestinian state. It won't happen because Israel serves as a projection of US imperial force in the Middle East, and the best we can hope for in the near future is for Israel (and its unofficial militia of settlers) to be restrained. Hope that helps.
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Lord Frisk posted:The libs are actively creaming their jeans over the DSA harassment policy, as they can now "turn us in to the boss," not realizing it's an internal bylaw that pertains to members and is dealt with locally. lol they're trying to get us fired from the left
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Aug 6, 2017 17:03
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God these people are loving dumb
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Aug 6, 2017 17:23
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sleeptalker posted:I support the dissolution of the state of Israel, refugee status for all residents who wish to leave, and non-intervention in the following formation of a Palestinian state. It won't happen because Israel serves as a projection of US imperial force in the Middle East, and the best we can hope for in the near future is for Israel (and its unofficial militia of settlers) to be restrained. Hope that helps. It also won't happen because there are several million people there with an army and government and won't just dissolve their society. You're not talking about the actual situation for Palestinians and you're avoiding thinking about actual possibilities for what their future could look like. The state of Israel is not going to disappear without a major catastrophic war. If you are actually convinced that Israel cannot continue to exist, this is what is required. "Israel is evil and shouldn't exist" is something that puts a pin in the conversation for someone who doesn't care about enough about to talk about the real politics.
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Aug 6, 2017 17:33
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sleeptalker posted:Fair when actually talking about the people, but "not all Israelis" is a pretty bad reflex to criticisms of Israel. I think you mean #NotAllIsraelis Anyway, this sort of talk is already having disastrous effects on the DSA. I hope they can recover https://twitter.com/clapifyoulikeme/status/894010858715717634
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Is anyone actually saying 'all Israelis are evil' or is this just that thing where people nominally on the left assume Jews are all an Israeli hivemind so ergo being pro-BDS means you hate every Jew
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Aug 6, 2017 17:57
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sexpig by night posted:Is anyone actually saying 'all Israelis are evil' or is this just that thing where people nominally on the left assume Jews are all an Israeli hivemind so ergo being pro-BDS means you hate every Jew
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Aug 6, 2017 18:01
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What even was the thing that started all this? Did DSACon end up supporting the BDS movement or did they support a two state solution or what?
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Aug 6, 2017 18:04
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They came out in favor of BDS. All dues paying members are now nazis. Inshallah.
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Aug 6, 2017 18:06
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Last Buffalo posted:Maybe if you insist on discussing Israel only as a state that's pure evil, then the logical end of the conversation is that Israel shouldn't exist. And if that's the rhetoric that you stand behind, then you can't really claim you're pushing some sort of peace process or really any actual political option that benefits the Palestinians. You're arguing for something that practically will not happen in the foreseeable future, and very likely avoiding understanding the finer politics of the situation. It's glib, and isn't really an honest attempt to confront the horror that is the occupation. Actually I'd argue that dismantling a government that is bent on exterminating them benefits the hell out of Palestinians
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Aug 6, 2017 18:06
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Last Buffalo posted:It also won't happen because there are several million people there with an army and government and won't just dissolve their society. You're not talking about the actual situation for Palestinians and you're avoiding thinking about actual possibilities for what their future could look like. Sir this is a McDonald's drive thru
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Aug 6, 2017 18:08
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BDS takes an ambivalent stance on whether Israel should exist or not. If you're someone who wants Israel to still exist, this is kind of a non-starter.
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Aug 6, 2017 18:17
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Last Buffalo posted:It also won't happen because there are several million people there with an army and government and won't just dissolve their society. You're not talking about the actual situation for Palestinians and you're avoiding thinking about actual possibilities for what their future could look like. The actual situation for Palestinians is that Israel continually destabilizes any of their attempts at self-determination or statehood. The real politics is that Israel has no interest in a two-state solution. Palestinians' current precarious existence depends on Israel being unable to invade in a way that their sponsors, such as the US, agree is justified. I don't see a future for Palestinians that isn't the status quo or worse so long as Israel continues to exist.
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Aug 6, 2017 18:18
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Actually I'd argue that dismantling a government that is bent on exterminating them benefits the hell out of Palestinians BENGHAZI 2 posted:Actually I'd argue that dismantling a government that is bent on exterminating them benefits the hell out of Palestinians The point is no one is is going to be dismantling the government, so it's all just posturing by people who have only a passing interest in the situation.
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Aug 6, 2017 18:21
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Lord Frisk posted:The libs are actively creaming their jeans over the DSA harassment policy, as they can now "turn us in to the boss," not realizing it's an internal bylaw that pertains to members and is dealt with locally. https://twitter.com/amanda_pompili/status/894200515663474688 
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Aug 6, 2017 18:22
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Last Buffalo posted:BDS takes an ambivalent stance on whether Israel should exist or not. If you're someone who wants Israel to still exist, this is kind of a non-starter.
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Aug 6, 2017 18:58
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Last Buffalo posted:The point is no one is is going to be dismantling the government, so it's all just posturing by people who have only a passing interest in the situation. oh come on, there's a legitimate argument that a real 2-state solution is no more realistic at this point. claiming everyone who sees it that way is unserious or doesn't care is bullshit. now, can we take this to the comments on a finkelstein youtube video.
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Aug 6, 2017 19:12
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Dirt posted:Are you chapo fans also metal fans? The new Dying Fetus album Wrong One to gently caress With is p good.
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Aug 6, 2017 21:59
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Israel is an apartheid racist religious supremacist state that was built by colonialist European invaders and forcibly ethnically cleansed the native population and actively inslaves and makes millions of people live a hell on earth of either complete dehumanization or living in an open air prison of and forced starvation. Israel is a giant enemy of socialism and progressivism and actively undermines it. Anybody with a shred of humanity and decency and any self respecting socialist must support the Palestinians and oppose that shorty apartheit state. The goal must be either the total independence of gaza and the West Bank and it's complete freedom over its affairs or the formation of a single democratic country that guarantees freedom and human rights for all inhabitants both Palestinian and Israeli. If you don't like this honestly you can go eat poo poo and stop pretending that you're a leftist or progressive in any way. Good on the DSA to stand up for humanity instead of submitting to the shrieks of these racist right wing zealots.
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Aug 6, 2017 22:29
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Javes posted:The new Dying Fetus album Wrong One to gently caress With is p good. I haven't really listened since Stop at Nothing (they headlined the first show I ever went to, on the Stop at Nothing tour!) but I remember their lyrics serving as an introduction to radical leftist politics when I was like 12. Will check it out
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Aug 6, 2017 22:39
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kinda sad that so many people have convinced themselves that freedom for palestinians means the destruction of israel hell even they're hilariously wrong it's pretty clear in its current state, israel as a state is built upon misery and cannot continue to exist if it needs to oppress to do so
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Aug 6, 2017 22:40
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:I haven't really listened since Stop at Nothing (they headlined the first show I ever went to, on the Stop at Nothing tour!) but I remember their lyrics serving as an introduction to radical leftist politics when I was like 12. Will check it out let's spread the wealth among us and kill the rich instead, their broken crosses falling, no longer on our knees our revolution stroming, from sea to bloody sea Hell yeah dude 
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Aug 6, 2017 22:45
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EmotionlessThug posted:oh come on, there's a legitimate argument that a real 2-state solution is no more realistic at this point. claiming everyone who sees it that way is unserious or doesn't care is bullshit. now, can we take this to the comments on a finkelstein youtube video. It's far more likely that Israel can be brought to heel and follow international law than that the country will be dissolved. Neither thing is on the about to happen, but the later is a complete pipe dream. When it comes to political movements seeking political means of improving the Palestinians' lot, embracing the idea of "no more Israel" is not a real goal, it's a rallying cry.
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Aug 6, 2017 22:47
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The ultimate goal must be the annihilation of the United States
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Aug 6, 2017 22:52
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GalacticAcid posted:The ultimate goal must be the annihilation of the United States
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Aug 6, 2017 22:54
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Destroy all settler-colonial states. Actually, just destroy all states.
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uber_stoat posted:yes, it's "normal" for lefties to sneer at people who are not sufficiently radical. been happening since the beginning.
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achillesforever6 posted:Case in point one of the people elected in the DSA was a higher up and organizer for a cop union. 
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achillesforever6 posted:Case in point one of the people elected in the DSA was a higher up and organizer for a cop union. lol he lied on his application about it too
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Aug 6, 2017 23:05
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STOP MAKING THESE
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Aug 6, 2017 23:18
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Javes posted:The new Dying Fetus album Wrong One to gently caress With is p good. Listened to this today on my run. Quality stuff.
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Aug 6, 2017 23:22
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Last Buffalo posted:It's far more likely that Israel can be brought to heel and follow international law than that the country will be dissolved. lmao
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Aug 6, 2017 23:31
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GalacticAcid posted:The ultimate goal must be the annihilation of the United States I'd be happy with just the CIA.
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oatgan posted:lol he lied on his application about it too
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In the arms oooooof millennials
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James Bond beats them with a fidget spinner that can cut through glass and an extensive knowledge of elevators
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