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Let's take the show that is known for having some of the best looking sci-fi set designs since Battlestar Galactica and film our alien planet future space empire on a 1992-era Star Trek soundstage
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Mu Zeta posted:It's the same creative team that shoehorned in those awful scenes on Laconia. I believe it. Uh yeah, why wouldn't it be the same team? They were relatively consistent throughout the entire run of the show IIRC.
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May 18, 2024 18:24
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IMO the show was way better in seasons 1-3.
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May 18, 2024 18:38
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Mu Zeta posted:IMO the show was way better in seasons 1-3. Honestly that's the problem with the books too. The creative team were operating at the same consistent level of great adaptation all the way through, they were just adapting less good material after the original material.
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May 18, 2024 18:40
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Mu Zeta posted:IMO the show was way better in seasons 1-3. No doubt about it edit: I mean, Im still glad the show got another 3 seasons to finish its story, but they really werent as good as the first 3 were. Never read the books to compare, though Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 19:00 on May 18, 2024 |
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May 18, 2024 18:57
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I thought season 4 was a lot better than 3. The pivot season 5 took wasn't great though.
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May 19, 2024 01:00
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I'm the opposite. I really liked Season 5 but I felt so much of Season 4 was dull aside from Amos saying "Thank you" to Murtry.
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May 19, 2024 01:37
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I don't know if I could sit through Marco Inaros' smarmy rear end again but I liked every season
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May 19, 2024 03:00
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Eej posted:I don't know if I could sit through Marco Inaros' smarmy rear end again but I liked every season I enjoyed how smarmy he was. Dude was a one hit wonder about to unveil his masterpiece, and the notion that it was all downhill from there because he was no longer useful and didn't have any other tricks up his sleeve never occurred to him.
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May 19, 2024 03:36
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Say what you will about marco, but he was a bit of a tactical genius. He just hosed with the wrong crew.
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May 19, 2024 04:32
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lol no, his big move was a sneak attack that killed billions
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tokin opposition posted:lol no, his big move was a sneak attack that killed billions You are aware sneak attacks are tactical unicorns right?
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May 19, 2024 07:43
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Marco was fine, but because the show never got to follow up on the Laconia stuff he ended up being the shows ultimate bad guy instead of some dipshit patsy, even though the character is just some dipshit patsy. I get why it all felt underwhelming for non-book readers.
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May 19, 2024 12:23
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Also every Marco scene played out the same and got repetetive. The actor seems like a talented guy but they gave him some boring poo poo to work with. I really liked his manifesto after the attack on Earth but after that he had nothing to do.
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May 19, 2024 13:07
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anyone else wish they could go back to the first time they saw PDCs deploying and going BBBRRERRRERRRRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT and the childlike glee that inspired?
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May 19, 2024 14:01
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It was pretty crazy in CQB I think? Where a close-up fight is literally just strapping in, depressurizing the ship, and hoping none of the enemy's PDC rounds pass through anything—or anyone—important
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May 19, 2024 15:20
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Jakabite posted:anyone else wish they could go back to the first time they saw PDCs deploying and going BBBRRERRRERRRRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT and the childlike glee that inspired? The best was when Admiral Nguyen launched a bunch of hybrid pods at Mars and the Roci mowed them down.
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May 19, 2024 15:24
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The best was when Murtry had Naomi and her friend pinned down near the Roci, so Naomi just remote-controlled the Roci to fire a couple PDC rounds in Murtry's general direction, and you see that instead of a minigun, it's actually several main battle tank cannons welded together into something resembling a minigun.
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May 19, 2024 15:48
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PDCs are 40mm rotary cannons. So yeah, big boom.
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May 19, 2024 15:54
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For comparrison, the A-10 is 30mm.
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Slashrat posted:The best was when Murtry had Naomi and her friend pinned down near the Roci, so Naomi just remote-controlled the Roci to fire a couple PDC rounds in Murtry's general direction, and you see that instead of a minigun, it's actually several main battle tank cannons welded together into something resembling a minigun. Yeah this was amazing. Really hammered home the scale of the ships and the sheer force behind everything going down. That’s something the show did better than anything else I’ve ever seen - there was real tangible physical weight to everything.
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May 19, 2024 16:37
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M79 and M203 grenades are 40mm. Never got to gently caress around with a Mk19 unfortunately. Are the PDCs recoilless or is the recoil supposed to be negligible compared to the overall mass of a ship? I should read the books some time. I have them but why read when I can dump more hours into a Fallout?...
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May 19, 2024 17:13
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I assume the recoil is taken into account by the thrusters.
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Robert Facepalmer posted:M79 and M203 grenades are 40mm. Never got to gently caress around with a Mk19 unfortunately. I read somewhere the little jet flash out the rear of the pdcs was a counter thruster to reduce recoil or rotation or both, but i don't know how canon it is or if the cgi guys just thought it looked cool.
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Cojawfee posted:I assume the recoil is taken into account by the thrusters. There's a little rocket on the back of the PDC, you can see it firing to cancel out the recoil. Same thing with the railgun, the main engine pulses when it fires.
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May 19, 2024 18:24
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Everyone gets a few eighths of an inch shorter when the railgun fires
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The size of the guns did really hammer home how utterly loving insane the Roci crew having the Roci actually was. Like, no matter what the circumstances, if a bunch of civilians ended up in control of even a very small military vessel, that military is getting it the gently caress back, and every other military in the world, even ones hostile to the country it was stolen from, are probably helping them do it because gently caress dealing with that just flying around. Mars is like 'well, we wrote a mean letter to earth' and the UN is like 'Hey Holden seems like a good dude, we'll cover him' and it's absolutely batshit. A military drop out, a radical, a divorced dad and bugshit insane former gangster have multiple nukes. Every military ship in the solar system should be gunning for them, constantly, forever holy poo poo. But it's not happening because, I dunno, Avesarala liked his Mum or something? See also; ANY CIVILIAN HAVING ACCESS TO A FUSION DRIVE. That's like having a car powered by so much nuclear material a small crash results in Hiroshima. It's absolutely insane. That dude who slingshot the ring to get laid could have just turned pointed the back of that ship near Ceres, hit the accelerator and wiped out millions. Epstein bought a 'yacht' that has the explosive capacity to wipe out North America, and then tinkered with it for a hobby. Who the gently caress is selling that, and why are they remotely allowed!? I love The Expanse, I get that you can't have grounded inter-solar system sci-fi without some form of fusion and you can't just do Star Trek style warp drive space magic because the actual plot is about them dealing with the sudden introduction of space magic.... but goddamn do you have to turn off huge chunks of your brain for a lot of the worldbuilding to even remotely work.
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I think it's more that space is huge and we're in the Wild West era of space expansion. Government control only extends as far as the reach of their guns and there's a cold war going on between Earth and Mars which means neither really has the time to go hunt down an errant corvette. Yeah their ship is higher quality but they're essentially pirates and it's not like those don't exist plus Avasarala essentially gives them a letter of marque. Besides, I don't think the Roci docks at any Earth or Martian base at all? They're almost always getting resupplied at a Belter affiliated station. The only real danger for civilian ships is for space stations. Earth is big enough that a ship trying to dive bomb a city will get targeted by satellite railguns or burn up in the atmosphere. Presumably Belters aren't driving their ships and blowing up Ceres station all the time because the authors don't have that dim of a view of people. e: I think they even mention a few times that Mars still wants their ship back (ie you're not welcome in Martian space)
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Nukes in The Expanse have apparently also become mundane to the point where they are essentially used as mining charges for asteroid mining. The ones they were going to blow up Eros with to stop the protomolecule infection were all mining charges that they repurposed for demolition iirc. Probably not in the same yield range as modern thermonuclear weapons, but still a fair bit more powerful than anything we let civilians get their hands on today. Presumably civilian-grade nukes are made to be very detectable by radiation sensors at the time The Expanse takes place, so there's not as much concern about one being snuck into a place where it is not supposed to be.
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Possession is 9/10 the law. I also enjoyed how the Belters took the Nauvoo/Behemoth from the Mormons and the resolution was essentially 'what are you going to do about it?' IIRC.
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The crew also become quite famous for their adventures so there comes a point where taking their ship back by force would be politically inconvenient.
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It's legitimate salvage. Didn't they fight it out in a lawsuit and win?
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Lawsuits over the Roci and Nauvoo are kind of a minor running gag in the books. I don't remember if they win, Mars drops it, or book 5 happens and everyone just has more important poo poo to do.
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I mean Elon Musk is a total idiot and we let him play with giant rockets and "self driving" cars.
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DavidCameronsPig posted:The size of the guns did really hammer home how utterly loving insane the Roci crew having the Roci actually was.... Yeah, The Expanse uses the aesthetics of 'hard SF' to create verisimilitude (which is fine and good!) but it has no intention of trying to be actually realistic. A lot of the things it dodges have to do with radiation! The wake exclusion zones created by fusion drives and the unhappy amount of neutron-rotted highly radioactive shielding you'd need for a fusion reactor are both tucked neatly away.
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General Battuta posted:The wake exclusion zones created by fusion drives and the unhappy amount of neutron-rotted highly radioactive shielding you'd need for a fusion reactor are both tucked neatly away. If you're handwaving arbitrarily-efficient fusion drives in the first place, handwaving that fusion scheme being something aneutronic isn't a big deal.
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Slashrat posted:Probably not in the same yield range as modern thermonuclear weapons, but still a fair bit more powerful than anything we let civilians get their hands on today. Kind of a funny problem with this. Lower yield devices are more sophisticated than high yield devices, which means that it is likely that those nukes would be fairly powerful because of their crude nature. You start to have to mess with elaborate arrays of neutron reflectors to actually get a useful reaction out of a small amount of fissile material. Also, they'd go way past fair bit just to work as an actual, usable nuclear device. Even the smallest real world nuclear weapons (like the US W54) are five times as powerful as the largest charges used in mining.
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Not a lot of people know this, but the expanse is a work of fiction written by non scientists who did a d&d game
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DavidCameronsPig posted:The size of the guns did really hammer home how utterly loving insane the Roci crew having the Roci actually was. I see those things as being connected. Yes it's batshit that they have a ship as powerful as Roci, but the amount of power in random civilians hands just with civilian tech is batshit terrifying as well so...
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I mean, the show showed how much power is just in launching a rock. Inertia is a bitch.
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